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[Bratinov]

My character was on friendly terms with the douche, putting up with all of his **** in hopes that he would turn around eventually and what did he do? He joined the Templars just to spite Hawke.
I left him home to take care of mother and because he would be a liability to my team
Would getting all possible approval or rivalry change anything?

[Sussurus]

No you'll lose him after the deep roads no matter what.

On is making him friendly worth anything, as a warden - friend I liked him.
Though I can't say if a rival warden would have been the same.

The warden friend path at least he acted less spoilt or put upon.
Nowhere near a Bethany circle though, but better than a Bethany - friend - warden imo.

I've not made him a friend - templar though so he may be good as that.

Modifié par Sussurus, 29 avril 2011 - 11:08 .

[Maverick827]

Bratinov wrote...

My character was on friendly terms...in hopes that he would turn around eventually 

That's the point in trying to appease Carver.  He's your brother, and he's an ass.  Is your Hawke the kind of person that can let that slide for family's sake?  Or is your Hawke fed up with him?

[berelinde]

Nope, if you don't take him to the Deep Roads, he will always join the templars to spite Hawke. He's a bratty younger brother. Evidently, that's what they do.

That said, he will show up later on, and be really grumpy about meeting you again. If you did take him to the Deep Roads, there's a chance something else would have happened to him. In that case, he would have become marginally less grumpy, since he found a sense of purpose, but he'll always be Carver.

He'll do the right thing in the end, though.

[Bratinov]

Maverick827 wrote...

Bratinov wrote...

My character was on friendly terms...in hopes that he would turn around eventually 

That's the point in trying to appease Carver.  He's your brother, and he's an ass.  Is your Hawke the kind of person that can let that slide for family's sake?  Or is your Hawke fed up with him?

Let it slide?
My character is a appostate in hiding and my brother joins what would be the equivalent to gestapo for mages because he feels overshadowed?
I have no brother <_<

berelinde wrote...

Nope, if you don't take him to the Deep
Roads, he will always join the templars to spite Hawke. He's a bratty
younger brother. Evidently, that's what they do.

That said, he
will show up later on, and be really grumpy about meeting you again. If
you did take him to the Deep Roads, there's a chance something else
would have happened to him. In that case, he would have become
marginally less grumpy, since he found a sense of purpose, but he'll
always be Carver.

He'll do the right thing in the end, though.

I see..
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

Modifié par Bratinov, 28 avril 2011 - 10:14 .

[Loc'n'lol]

Bratinov wrote...
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

You blame it on yourself for not liking the character for what he is, and you move on.

[Wulfram]

It's more fun to be snarky at him.

[Amagoi]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Bratinov wrote...
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

You blame it on yourself for not liking the character for what he is, and you move on.

Personally, I think Carver is one of the best and most realistic characters in DA2. But I'm aware that's my personal opinion. It's worth pointing out that Carver joining the Templars is generally a pretty 'rival' thing for him to do. He's much friendlier if he joins the Grey Wardens. Vice versa for Bethany. I hear she resents Hawke if she's in the Wardens.

[Deztyn]

I don't know how other peoples experiences with Carver vary so much from mine.

Embrace the sibling rivalry. <3

*Loves her grumpy little pixel brother*

Modifié par Deztyn, 29 avril 2011 - 12:24 .

[Rifneno]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Bratinov wrote...
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

You blame it on yourself for not liking the character for what he is, and you move on.

Yeah it's completely their fault for not liking a one-dimensional **** who would use the deaths of loved ones as weapons against their older sibling for no other reason than he's resentful said sibling actually made something of himself while Carver was busy cutting himself and brooding over how the world owes him.

He's even a bastard to Bethany.  If you tell Wesley that you'll stand up for Bethany against him if need be, Carver disapproves.  Seriously, Carver is the most worthless piece of crap since Saemon Havarian.

[_Aine_]

I love Carver! But I never try to appease his either.  He is a grumpy ass and frequently intolerable but I love him. lol I wish there was a way you could have him as something other than a mage (that doesn't take a zillion steps to adjust save files that is.)

I find the conflict sort of makes it more real for me personally. His has always been rival for me though. I can't help but needle him, he makes it too easy

Modifié par shantisands, 29 avril 2011 - 12:54 .

[Deztyn]

Rifneno,

Carver disapproves of you being a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar. Because there's a horde of darkspawn out there and you need him and Aveline to have any chance of surviving.

Carver was a soldier in King Cailan's Army, he's forced to run away with his family to a city where he has nothing. Ever take him with you to the Keep? In the barracks he has a line about it being another place that won't have him. The templars weren't choice number one. And it isn't just to spite Hawke. If you take him around with you, you can see how his opinion of mages changes. If you do his personal quest, his opinion of templars changes. And Hawke can approve and even encourage him.

Modifié par Deztyn, 29 avril 2011 - 12:48 .

[Bitterfoam]

Grey Warden Carver rocks. He rocks the stylish armor.

Screw Templar Carver.

[Rifneno]

Deztyn wrote...

Rifneno,

Carver disapproves of you being a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar. Because there's a horde of darkspawn out there and you need him and Aveline to have any chance of surviving.

Hawke isn't "a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar."  Wesley is clearly threatening Bethany with his "the order dictates!" bull, even Aveline basically facepalms at his idiocy of trying to start trouble with a mage in the middle of a darkspawn horde.  Hawke's response that makes Carver pissy is responding to the offer of working together with "Just as long as you know I stand with Bethany, templar."  He's defending his sister, nothing more.  He doesn't call him a zealous drug addict or any of the many other things templars can rightly be called.  He's only stating in response to Wesley's threating tone that if it comes to it he'll defend his family.

Carver was a soldier in King Cailan's Army, he's forced to run away with his family to a city where he has nothing. Ever take him with you to the Keep? In the barracks he has a line about it being another place that won't have him. The templars weren't choice number one. And it isn't just to spite Hawke. If you take him around with you, you can see how his opinion of mages changes. If you do his personal quest, his opinion of templars changes. And Hawke can approve and even encourage him.

On the contrary, his personal quest shows it is likely just to spire Hawke.  "Have we ever seen a templar that wasn't a massive prig?"  This is his opinion on templars.  "Massive prigs."  Yet even if you don't show him that one that helped Malcolm after Birthright, he still goes to join them.  Considering he's willing to use Bethany (and later, Leandra's) deaths just to hurt Hawke, I find it fairly hard to believe that he joined the "massive prigs" for something other than hurting Hawke.

Lastly, Aveline has the same background.  Ferelden refugee that was a soldier for Cailin.  Yet she not only gets into the guard, she rises to captain.  If the guard refused Carver, it's not blind prejudice.  It's probably because he completely sucks.

[_Aine_]

Bitterfoam wrote...

Grey Warden Carver rocks. He rocks the stylish armor.

That he does.  Being present but unselectable in the group selection screen is just cruel.  

[sakera]

I've ended up in all 3 situations with him & still on same game (geesh I gotta quit restarting!) --

1) left him behind & he joins Templars - still seems hateful towards me
2) take him into Deep Roads without Anders & he dies (that made me sad)
3) take him into Deep Roads with Anders & he becomes Warden (miss him but at least he lives), but he does seem like a complete arse when he shows back up in Kirkwall with Alistair & says that he has been there for 6 days!!

WTH?! I only took him with me into Deep Roads because he whined like a spoiled brat about being left behind, then save his butt & give him purpose & he doesn't even visit!!

I haven't played with Bethany yet ... still waiting to see how she acts ... hopefully better than Carver!!

[thesuperdarkone]

sakera wrote...

I've ended up in all 3 situations with him & still on same game (geesh I gotta quit restarting!) --

1) left him behind & he joins Templars - still seems hateful towards me
2) take him into Deep Roads without Anders & he dies (that made me sad)
3) take him into Deep Roads with Anders & he becomes Warden (miss him but at least he lives), but he does seem like a complete arse when he shows back up in Kirkwall with Alistair & says that he has been there for 6 days!!

WTH?! I only took him with me into Deep Roads because he whined like a spoiled brat about being left behind, then save his butt & give him purpose & he doesn't even visit!!

I haven't played with Bethany yet ... still waiting to see how she acts ... hopefully better than Carver!!

 

lol let's just say you'll regret making Bethany a Warden even though I think it's ultimately a better choice for her. Carver actually grows up as a Warden while Bethany resents you.

[Deztyn]

Rifneno wrote...
Hawke isn't "a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar."  Wesley is clearly threatening Bethany with his "the order dictates!" bull, even Aveline basically facepalms at his idiocy of trying to start trouble with a mage in the middle of a darkspawn horde.  Hawke's response that makes Carver pissy is responding to the offer of working together with "Just as long as you know I stand with Bethany, templar."  He's defending his sister, nothing more.  He doesn't call him a zealous drug addict or any of the many other things templars can rightly be called.  He's only stating in response to Wesley's threating tone that if it comes to it he'll defend his family.

"Another blade between us and the darkspawn? Yes, please."

Wesley has already backed down thanks to Aveline before Hawke even has a chance to respond. Everyone there knows the darkspawn are the more important concern.

On the contrary, his personal quest shows it is likely just to spire Hawke.  "Have we ever seen a templar that wasn't a massive prig?"  This is his opinion on templars.  "Massive prigs."  Yet even if you don't show him that one that helped Malcolm after Birthright, he still goes to join them.  Considering he's willing to use Bethany (and later, Leandra's) deaths just to hurt Hawke, I find it fairly hard to believe that he joined the "massive prigs" for something other than hurting Hawke.

"Maybe you should stop whining about mother's name and try living up to yours." 

Big sister is proud. <3

Lastly, Aveline has the same background.  Ferelden refugee that was a soldier for Cailin.  Yet she not only gets into the guard, she rises to captain.  If the guard refused Carver, it's not blind prejudice.  It's probably because he completely sucks.

And there's dialogue that indicates this is a rare and unusual thing. Aveline's an exception. Carver isn't. That doesn't mean he sucks, it means he doesn't have whatever Aveline does that makes them ignore the fact she's a Ferelden refugee. Or it could just be bad luck and he got the wrong supervisor the day he applied. We don't know.

[Elessie]

Deztyn wrote...
Carver disapproves of you being a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar. Because there's a horde of darkspawn out there and you need him and Aveline to have any chance of surviving.

You get rivalry points from Carver for that conversation no matter what option you choose.  It seems to either be a bug, or you get rivalry for the part where you automatically disagree with him at the end.  I don't know.  Messed up though...

[Deztyn]

Well, in that case he's still not disapproving because he's evil and hates Bethany.

Good to know. Thank you.

Modifié par Deztyn, 29 avril 2011 - 01:59 .

[Dave of Canada]

If you get Carver's friendship and he becomes a Warden, he'll thank you for saving him in Act 3 and be generally nicer instead of going "OH GOD, FIGURES YOU'D BE HERE"  and he jokes about his inferiority complex in a letter.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 avril 2011 - 02:29 .

[frustratemyself]

Carver is just being an angry younger brother.

If you don't take him into the deep roads I think he takes this a a final straw moment, has a fit and uses joining the templars as a way to lash out at the family with maximum emotional damage.
While he doesn't apparently agree with everything the templars stand for (according to his codex) he does gain a bit of understanding for their viewpoint when seeing how dangerous some of the mages are that you meet around Kirkwall.

I like Carver cause even though he can be a cranky sh*t he still has your back. If he becomes a grey warden he does seem to do a lot of growing up by the end of the game and you get some great dialogue with him to this affect.

[sakera]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

lol let's just say you'll regret making Bethany a Warden even though I think it's ultimately a better choice for her. Carver actually grows up as a Warden while Bethany resents you.

Oh great, can't wait for that!!  

You know it is really sad that I have been playing this game dang near all the frickin time since its midnight release and have yet to finish it!!  Get too wrapped up in what is going on & restart if something goes awry (plot & bugs) -- got to quit doing that!!

[Asch Lavigne]

Its kind of neat how different outcomes (Grey Warden or Templar in Carver's case) change the character. I had him as a Templar on the rival path and the game end was interesting since I sided with the mages and was very curious to see what he would do. Next time I'll have to try and do the same but on the friendship path. I also thought being on the rival path and him joining the Templars kind of fit really well. I was hoping that if he is friendly with you maybe he like joins them to protect you or something, I'm curious about the different dialogue.