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[DPSSOC]

Deztyn wrote...

Lastly, Aveline has the same background.  Ferelden refugee that was a soldier for Cailin.  Yet she not only gets into the guard, she rises to captain.  If the guard refused Carver, it's not blind prejudice.  It's probably because he completely sucks.

And there's dialogue that indicates this is a rare and unusual thing. Aveline's an exception. Carver isn't. That doesn't mean he sucks, it means he doesn't have whatever Aveline does that makes them ignore the fact she's a Ferelden refugee. Or it could just be bad luck and he got the wrong supervisor the day he applied. We don't know.

There's dialogue that indicates Carver's rejection by the guard is Aveline's doing.  15 seconds in.

Now I like Carver, whiney little brother that he is.  I like that he never stops resenting you because it makes him flawed, makes him human.  Though I do wish when he complains about having to live in your shadow that you could shake him and point out that it's only because he insists on standing in it.

[Deztyn]

Bad Aveline, ruining my poor brother's hopes like that! Should have known she was the one to sabotage him, she did call him a ******.<_<

I've run two mages through Act I and I've never seen this before. Thank you.

Modifié par Deztyn, 29 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[DPSSOC]

Deztyn wrote...

Bad Aveline, ruining my poor brother's hopes like that! Should have known she was the one to sabotage him, she did call him a ******.<_<

In Aveline's defence she's not wrong.

[Deztyn]

Unsure.

Carver's got a big chip on his shoulder, but part of that seems to come from not having anywhere he feels like he belongs. If Aveline had approved him and taken him under her wing it could have been good for him. But then, he might have viewed Aveline like he views Hawke, an older sibling determined to run his life, so... hmmm.

[IanPolaris]

I think Aveline was wrong in this case. I am not saying she's totally off-base in her read of Carver, but honestly, Carver does have the skill set and experience that most city watches would die for. Frankly it sounds like personal blacklisting on the part of Aveline......the more I play DA2, the less and less I like Aveline.

-Polaris

[Rifneno]

IanPolaris wrote...

I think Aveline was wrong in this case. I am not saying she's totally off-base in her read of Carver, but honestly, Carver does have the skill set and experience that most city watches would die for. Frankly it sounds like personal blacklisting on the part of Aveline......the more I play DA2, the less and less I like Aveline.

-Polaris

I'm not usually a big fan of Aveline (except when she gives approval for snapping "The Maker didn't defeat the blight, the hero of Ferelden did!" at Elthina, that was awesome) but I think she was right.  Carver is immature, stubborn, and very belligerent.  NOT good qualities for a guardsman.  Knowing how to swing a sword isn't all a guard needs.  It's like being a cop IRL, there's big epic shootouts but that's not what they spend most of their time doing.  They spend most of their time mediating and dealing with petty squabbles.  Carver would suck like a black hole at that aspect of the job.

[DPSSOC]

I was just referring to her assessment that Carver's a "bit of a ******..."

She is dead on about Carver's faults but I do think she errs in how she handles them. Rather than say, "You are deficient here, here, and here." and then giving him a chance to work on those deficiencies in an environment that demands it (following orders, putting people first, etc.) so he'll learn she basically says, "Look if you were made a guard you'd just fail miserably so I'll just cut the middle man."

Not that I think Carver would have taken to it had he been given the chance; Carver strikes me as a young man in desperate need of seasoning who reflexively rejects any attempt at guidance as an attempt to run his life, but giving him the chance would do more to encourage change than just saying, "No you suck."

[Bratinov]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Bratinov wrote...
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

You blame it on yourself for not liking the character for what he is, and you move on.

Ah yes maybe, forgive me for not liking that all previous efforts to befriend him are for naught because of a scripted event.

[GodWood]

Amagoi wrote...

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Bratinov wrote...
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

You blame it on yourself for not liking the character for what he is, and you move on.

Personally, I think Carver is one of the best and most realistic characters in DA2.

I share this opinion

[Rifneno]

Bratinov wrote...

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Bratinov wrote...
Do I blame this on the rushed development cycle or the ****ty character... something to ponder.

You blame it on yourself for not liking the character for what he is, and you move on.

Ah yes maybe, forgive me for not liking that all previous efforts to befriend him are for naught because of a scripted event.

Indeed.  How can you be forgiven for not recognizing that a character with less depth than Bugs Bunny is clearly the greatest piece of writing since Shakespeare?

I'm not sure I could write a less interesting, more one-dimensional character if I tried.  All > Carver.

[Sussurus]

Elessie wrote...

Deztyn wrote...
Carver disapproves of you being a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar. Because there's a horde of darkspawn out there and you need him and Aveline to have any chance of surviving.

You get rivalry points from Carver for that conversation no matter what option you choose.  It seems to either be a bug, or you get rivalry for the part where you automatically disagree with him at the end.  I don't know.  Messed up though...

The ammount depends on what you say though.
He is a massive prig but not a completely unreasonable one.

Blue Hawke - Wesley dialogue.. Can you fight with that arm.. can we do anthing for you.
+5 rivalry carver, + 5 friend Bethany ( the sweet caring mage. ).
Purple..
+10 carver rivalry, +10 Bethany friendship.
Red Agressive Hawke.
+15 Carver rivalry, Bethany +15 friend.

It's not a bug, it just to establish that each sibling is different in a slightly subtle way.

Modifié par Sussurus, 29 avril 2011 - 11:20 .

[TobiTobsen]

Sussurus wrote...

Elessie wrote...

Deztyn wrote...
Carver disapproves of you being a jerk to Wesley just because he's a templar. Because there's a horde of darkspawn out there and you need him and Aveline to have any chance of surviving.

You get rivalry points from Carver for that conversation no matter what option you choose.  It seems to either be a bug, or you get rivalry for the part where you automatically disagree with him at the end.  I don't know.  Messed up though...

The ammount depends on what you say though.
He is a massive prig but not a completely unreasonable one.

Blue Hawke - Wesley dialogue.. Can you fight with that arm.. can we do anthing for you.
+5 rivalry carver, + 5 friend Bethany ( the sweet caring mage. ).
Purple..
+10 carver rivalry, +10 Bethany friendship.
Red Agressive Hawke.
+15 Carver rivalry, Bethany +15 friend.

It's not a bug, it just to establish that each sibling is different in a slightly subtle way.

Somehow I always get +5 rivalry from Carver. Just Bethanys friendship score differs if I choose another answer.

[Sussurus]

Yes you're right, my massive and silly mistake thanks for the correct infomation.