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[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I bet real life trolls will get upset on the misuse of their race as a slur, crawl out from under their bridges and eat all of you. It's all on the Mayan calender, which I'm conveniently combining with Norse mythology just to make a goofy post which will undoubtably shower down rainbows of joy and baby rabbits upon everyone. Of course watch out for the baby rabbits, being magic there is no telling what altitude they materialize at so they could be approaching terminal velocity by the time they reach you.

[Sabriana]

Dammit!

I wish I had room in my signature line to insert:

Proud DA:O Fangirl! <3

Preferably with Rainbows and Lollipops..... Naw, perhaps I wouldn't go *that* far.

Besides, I wouldn't know how to make a siggy. I stole the ones I have - more or less

Modifié par Sabriana, 29 avril 2011 - 06:51 .

[orbit991]

It's still a bit early for them to go the way of EA destroyed Westwood, bullfrog and Origins. Give it some more time. If the mmorpg is a success it might not even happen, that might be a first heh.

[Sabriana]

orbit991 wrote...

It's still a bit early for them to go the way of EA destroyed Westwood, bullfrog and Origins. Give it some more time. If the mmorpg is a success it might not even happen, that might be a first heh.

Yeah, you're right.

I'm keeping my fingers tightly crossed that ME 3 and SWTOR are a success. ME 3 is looking good so far, so I'll keep my eyes on that for sure, even thought I don't really like space.. stuff, I did like ME 1. Who knows, I might even eventually buy ME 2, if ME 3 is good enough. Oh well, I'm pretty sure I'll buy it anyways, to be honest.

As for the MMO, I know little about them first-hand, because I have absolutely no interest in them, but I do have friends that play them. It appears the market is tight and cut-throat, and customer service and support an absolute must. We're talking a lot of money here that the players have to shell out continously, and they'll leave in droves if they feel they are getting short-changed. Like it happened with SWO.

I hope they make insane profits from both. I truly do. I love the DA franchise, because I'm a proud DA:O fangirl. Hopefully they'll combine the best of the two, and for goodness sakes, please don't punch your own lore around anymore. Yeah, yeah, I've outed myself as a sucker for lore and back-ground, pfft. so sue me.

[Foolsfolly]

I hope SWTOR is a success too.

But I'm not interested in it. MMO's....I don't know. I can't get into them. If I multiplay anything it's shooters. Deathmatches and the like. Grinding in a world without a plot and constantly respawning events and monsters.....it just doesn't sit well with me.

But I hope SWTOR's a success. I doubt it will be though. The MMO market's smaller than you'd think. There's massive runaway successes and huge horrible flops. MMOs rely on players constantly being there and playing and questing for hundreds of hours. When players aren't there...the players who are there tend to leave. Good MMOs have failed because there weren't enough players online at any given time to start up big raids.

I don't know. Maybe it'll do well. It'd be nice for BioWare to have more money to work with, DA2 really needed that extra support and didn't get it.

[aries1001]

DA: Origins took 5-7 years to develop, DA2 took 1½-2 years to develop. This probably means that DA2 will be profitable when it has sold about 1 million copies. Hey, it did that already...

As for the preorder in januar and the release in Marchy 2011, it probably had more to do with EA showing numbers in the black, not in the red, before a board meeting or some such thing - EA's 1st quarter ended 31st of March 2011.

In my view, this game DA2, needed at least 2-3 months before it was finished, or longer. Mass Effect 3 comes out in December, I think. I wonder why someone did not get the idea to release Mass Effect 3 in November of 2011, on the same date as Dragon Age 2, maybe in the middle of November 2011...And then say: buy them both for half - or have an offer that if you buy them both (at the same time), you'll pay 40 $ or 50 $ for each, not the normal asking retail price of 60 US dollars e.g. buy both, save 20 (us) dollars.

To me, the whole 'attract the CoD' marketing or Farmville players was -ahem- not that great. And the reason is this: People (like me) who want to play an action game plays action games when they feel like it, if I feel like playing an rpg, I buy a Bioware, Bethesda or CDProject game. Just because you upgrade your weapons in Call of Duty doesn't make it an rpg all of sudden, or just because you upgrade your garden (in Farmville) doesn't mean it has become an rpg all of a sudden. And people who feels (or want to) play FPS games, will play FPS games, not rpgs. There is also a sort of crossover of the people playing rpg games and fps games (myself included)...

[Corto81]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Da 2 was good. It got good reviews. it made tons of money. Just cause it wasnt DAO 2 doesnt mean that it will tank, if ever.

DA2 was mediocre at best. By BW standards, just plain bad.

It got BAD reviews. Worst Metacritic rating of any recent BW games, and a shameful 4.5 on user reviews.

Its sales are not high and are dropping.
(check the Week 7 Sales thread for more info)

...

But hey, DA:O fanboys are to blame etc. Yeah!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I hope SWTOR is a success too.

But I'm not interested in it. MMO's....I don't know. I can't get into them. If I multiplay anything it's shooters. Deathmatches and the like. Grinding in a world without a plot and constantly respawning events and monsters.....it just doesn't sit well with me.

But I hope SWTOR's a success. I doubt it will be though. The MMO market's smaller than you'd think. There's massive runaway successes and huge horrible flops. MMOs rely on players constantly being there and playing and questing for hundreds of hours. When players aren't there...the players who are there tend to leave. Good MMOs have failed because there weren't enough players online at any given time to start up big raids.

I don't know. Maybe it'll do well. It'd be nice for BioWare to have more money to work with, DA2 really needed that extra support and didn't get it.

I agree, I am hoping STtOR is a success as well, but not because I plan on playing it. I burned that itch out with a brief stint in WoW and I doubt I'll ever try playing a MMORPG again.  I hope it's successful so that Bioware will have it's cash cow and hopefully they will return to spending time on making more art house style games rather than flash-in-the-pan titles. Unfortunately this isn't likely going to happen. When most companies seem to see the pot of gold at the end of the MMORPG rainbow, they get blinded by it.

[casedawgz]

Corto81 wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Da 2 was good. It got good reviews. it made tons of money. Just cause it wasnt DAO 2 doesnt mean that it will tank, if ever.

DA2 was mediocre at best. By BW standards, just plain bad.

It got BAD reviews. Worst Metacritic rating of any recent BW games, and a shameful 4.5 on user reviews.

Its sales are not high and are dropping.
(check the Week 7 Sales thread for more info)

...

But hey, DA:O fanboys are to blame etc. Yeah!

The user reviews can't be considered accurate at all. The reason its down at 4.5 is because dozens of butthurt fanboys gave it 0s. I don't care what you think about DA2, but its not a 0 by any realistic standards. Those silly 0s throw off the average.

[Foolsfolly]

The user reviews can't be considered accurate at all. The reason its down at 4.5 is because dozens of butthurt fanboys gave it 0s.

But the kind of fan that goes out of their way to metacritic something down....well there are just as many butthurt fanboys that would give it perfect scores.

Don't get me wrong, the game's not a 4.5 game (it's a 6-7 game) but you can't overlook the sales problem of the game. Word of mouth hurt this thing badly. Look at the sales for week one. By week 5 the game's sales had plummeted hard and now it's barely there.

There is a problem with DA2.

Pick what that problem is, there's a hundred dozen fanboys all with their own reasons just begging to scream them at you.

[aries1001]

The problem with the user's metacritic score is that users may -ahem- use the review scale differently e.g. one user that sees DA2 as mediocre game will give the game a 5/10 while others that see the game as mediocre might give it a 7/10. And many people have given it a 0/10 and 1/10 - just because i.e. they didn't like something e.g. they didn't like the 're-used areas' or 'the combat' or something else...

And from what I understand this game, DA2, is not a 0 or 1 game, that would be a game like Daikatana...

[Corto81]

casedawgz wrote...
The user reviews can't be considered accurate at all. The reason its down at 4.5 is because dozens of butthurt fanboys gave it 0s. I don't care what you think about DA2, but its not a 0 by any realistic standards. Those silly 0s throw off the average.

It has nearly as many 10s as it has zeroes.
(for example, first page: 
17 ratings "10"
19 ratings "0")

Most reviews still put it in the 3-7 area.

Not saying they cancel each other out, but 1.6k customer reviews is a pretty good sample.

IMO it's actually a rather decent insight into how happy the customers are with the game.
4.5 is harsh... But put +/- 1.5 on it, and it's still only a 6.

Seriously, for a BW title, and to the high standards they set for their fans, and I hope, for themselves....
The just bad.

Modifié par Corto81, 29 avril 2011 - 05:21 .

[Alex Kershaw]

I don't see a DA3. They'll probably take the 'if you want an action game make a new IP' thing seriously but scrap DA in the process. I don't think DA2 is selling well, it got far worse reviews than any other Bioware RPG ever, etc...

[TJSolo]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I'd say there's another factor to consider: how much drag the DA2 reaction may have on DA3's profitability.  It will be interesting to see how Bioware approaches PR and advertising for DA3.

My guess is that DA3 will be a much more polished version of DA2, with varied environments and some of the more common complaints scrubbed out.  The infrastructure is already in place for something like that, and a very good game could probably be turned out relatively quickly using that approach.  If they go that way, I wonder if they'll try to patch things up with some of the disgruntled long-term fans or just go full steam ahead with their design philosophy.

Good points. If I were them I'd play it something like Coke did with New Coke. Walk back to a somewhat more traditional design for DA3, and then do the followup design the way they want. I'd seriously consider retiring the DA name after DA3, though, since it's mostly a liability now. I suppose that means they'll have to put back companion armor fiddling.

Edit: for clarity, my understanding of what happened with Coke is that they abandoned New Coke but then gradually reformulated Coke until it's pretty much indistinguishable now from what New Coke was then.

That never happened to Coke. It was another theory that might have worked though.

[Corto81]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

I don't think DA2 is selling well, it got far worse reviews than any other Bioware RPG ever, etc...

It's no coincidence DA2 is the first game in the fantasy setting to derail so much from the RPG core.

ME2 derailed a lot, but it was pulled off well, and despite it turning from an RPG-shooter into a shooter-RPG, it still did the job.

[Captain Sassy Pants]

casedawgz wrote...

Corto81 wrote...

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

Da 2 was good. It got good reviews. it made tons of money. Just cause it wasnt DAO 2 doesnt mean that it will tank, if ever.

DA2 was mediocre at best. By BW standards, just plain bad.

It got BAD reviews. Worst Metacritic rating of any recent BW games, and a shameful 4.5 on user reviews.

Its sales are not high and are dropping.
(check the Week 7 Sales thread for more info)

...

But hey, DA:O fanboys are to blame etc. Yeah!

The user reviews can't be considered accurate at all. The reason its down at 4.5 is because dozens of butthurt fanboys gave it 0s. I don't care what you think about DA2, but its not a 0 by any realistic standards. Those silly 0s throw off the average.

And neither can the "professional" reviews. "RPG of the decade" my ass.

Now what are we left with?

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Now what are we left with?

A bunch of geeks with way too much emotional investment in their preferred video games?

[MrProliferation]

Corto81 wrote...

Its sales are not high and are dropping.
(check the Week 7 Sales thread for more info)

The sales thread has been based off bogus numbers from the get-go. Everyone who is upset and dancing on DA2's "grave" is doing so based on highly inaccurate information. We will never know exactly how many it sold because only Bioware and EA have that information. And, as pointed out, it doesn't matter if DA2 sells lower than DA:O because it had a much shorter development cycle and was working on the engine that BW spent a fortune developing during the DA:O cycle. Anyone who has worked on software development project as I have would know this. Suggesting they'll just abandon this IP and switch to another one is not accounting for the fact that they would have to develop a new engine, which is a much greater investment.

If anything, I don't think DA will get canned at all. I think we will see a new DA game every 2 years or thereabouts just like we had with DA2, though hopefully next time it will have better QA (if we're lucky).  I would bet DA2 was made for a fraction of the cost DAO was and thus needs far less in sales to actually make a profit. In the end, I think it will sell more than DAO. I think a DA3 is virtually guaranteed because they probably need to make another game or two on the DAO engine they built in order to see more ROI before they develop another engine. Even in the face of diminishing returns, there's less cost to using what you've already built.

[AlexXIV]

If they drop DA they drop it. I have almost lost hope that I'm going to get a DA3 I will like. So if they announced today that there will be no DA3 I'd at least save myself a long wait and disappointment at it's end.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 29 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[Sabriana]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Now what are we left with?

A bunch of geeks with way too much emotional investment in their preferred video games?

Yah. That's a review I'd read. Especially if said geek is a fan of the kind of games I prefer.

I go by user reviews, but I do read the comments. Lot's of them. Negative and positive. No comment, no qualify for me to assertain the game in question.

[Nozybidaj]

mrcrusty wrote...
Personally, this year will be really important to what happens to Bioware.

ME 3, SWTOR. At least one of them needs to be a hit. Both if Bioware want to expand instead of shrink.

If SWTOR or ME 3 fails to be a hit, I can imagine some really big layoffs unless the other is uber successful.

If both bomb, expect big layoffs.

I hope not, Bioware is a good company. But EA... well, history speaks for itself.

EA doesn't care about DA or ME.  Neither moves enough units by themselves.  If it isn't a 10 million unit GoW size hit they won't care.

What EA cares about is TOR.  DA2 being rushed was most likely the result of needing a quick cash infusion to finish TOR development.  As goes TOR so to will go BW.

If TOR is a hit EA will probably let any BW side project like DA3 or future ME spinoffs go as they please.  If TOR flops BW will just be the next in a long line of great studios milked dry and closed down by EA.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Sabriana wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Now what are we left with?

A bunch of geeks with way too much emotional investment in their preferred video games?

Yah. That's a review I'd read. Especially if said geek is a fan of the kind of games I prefer.

I go by user reviews, but I do read the comments. Lot's of them. Negative and positive. No comment, no qualify for me to assertain the game in question.

I rarely games right after release.  I like to see user feedback and let developers patch up their mistakes before I bother.  Sometimes I wait for the GOTY/Ultimate editions with the DLC goodies all sprinkled in.  It denies me the ability sometimes to have up-to-the-minute video game conversations with the online community, but that's actually probably a good thing, in the long run.

[Sabriana]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Now what are we left with?

A bunch of geeks with way too much emotional investment in their preferred video games?

Yah. That's a review I'd read. Especially if said geek is a fan of the kind of games I prefer.

I go by user reviews, but I do read the comments. Lot's of them. Negative and positive. No comment, no qualify for me to assertain the game in question.

I rarely games right after release.  I like to see user feedback and let developers patch up their mistakes before I bother.  Sometimes I wait for the GOTY/Ultimate editions with the DLC goodies all sprinkled in.  It denies me the ability sometimes to have up-to-the-minute video game conversations with the online community, but that's actually probably a good thing, in the long run.

I usually do that too. Except this time. Why, oh why did I not do that this time?

I will never do it again. I'll do what I usually do. And that's the same thing you described in you post.

I still would have bought it. But not for 56 euros. Especially because it's down to 27 euros around here right now.

[88mphSlayer]

sure there's a chance DA will die off or have a haitus for a long time

even Blizzard put Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 on hold for years and D2/Starcraft sold extremely well

[Nozybidaj]

88mphSlayer wrote...

sure there's a chance DA will die off or have a haitus for a long time

even Blizzard put Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 on hold for years and D2/Starcraft sold extremely well

They were a little busy developing this small niche game called WoW, might not have heard of it.