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[Steve236]

Mike Laidlaw is stubborn bastard as long as hes in charge aint nothing going to change.

[Maverick827]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I hope SWTOR is a success too.

But I'm not interested in it. MMO's....I don't know. I can't get into them. If I multiplay anything it's shooters. Deathmatches and the like. Grinding in a world without a plot and constantly respawning events and monsters.....it just doesn't sit well with me

SWTOR might not be a success if people like you continue to make judgments about it without looking into the game at all.

SWTOR...world without a plot...haha

[filetemo]

even if bioware drops the dragon age franchise, they need a fantasy-based IP on a medieval setting... who knows, maybe they come up with something better than dragon age

[maladictor2009]

filetemo wrote...

even if bioware drops the dragon age franchise, they need a fantasy-based IP on a medieval setting... who knows, maybe they come up with something better than dragon age

I certainly hope so. I also hope mike laidlaw gets pushed to another position or fired. The man is clearly a EA-hound.

[Sabriana]

@ aMaverick827

Can you get it into your head that some people are simply not interested at all in MMO's? If you are a super-duper MMO fan, fine. Good for you. More power to you. Have fun. Be happy.

But there are those of us who do not like them. May we beg your leave to keep it that way? Since you know so much about what we should and shouldn't like? I mean you are assuming that we never tried one. I wonder why? Perhaps we tried it, and didn't like it? Perhaps it's something that doesn't interest us? We are not entitled to that personal taste? Why?

Note: the "we" and "us" applies solely to those who dislike MMO's and is not a general application.

Edited because you can never have too much clarity.

Modifié par Sabriana, 29 avril 2011 - 09:40 .

[Gvaz]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

ARustyFirePlace wrote...

I think EA are gonna get Bioware to only focus on ME and, if it des well, that new Star Wars MMO.

Hopefully we get some more patches and expansion packs, but EA will probably stop support for this game and fire the guys who made it now.

Ya... & so does the rest of the dao fanboys.

Im so sick of this! Da 2 was good. It got good reviews. it made tons of money. Just cause it wasnt DAO 2 doesnt mean that it will tank, if ever.  Got it, your fanboyism isnt gonna make Bioware wann achange it back, & since your such a small part of the over all crowd that liked this game, they wont miss your money.

EDIT: EA may be shutting down companies but Bioware wont be one fo them. EA has already made boat loads of money with ME, so why would they shut down one of there most lucrative devisions?

DUR HUR STUPID DA:O FANBOYS

*is a DA2 fanboy*
*your opinion is invalid and meaningless*

[Maverick827]

Sabriana wrote...

Can you get it into your head that some people are simply not interested at all in MMO's?

That's perfectly fine; my comments had nothing to do with whether or not one has the right to dislike MMOs at all.  My post merely aserted that one should research what features a certain MMO contains or does not contain before one makes up one's mind about it.  If the largest thing one does not like about the genre - as the previous posted indicated - is the lack of a plot, and one immediately shuns the first MMO designed specifically to have a plot, then it makes one appear rather foolish, in my opinion.

[Foolsfolly]

Maverick827 wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

I hope SWTOR is a success too.

But I'm not interested in it. MMO's....I don't know. I can't get into them. If I multiplay anything it's shooters. Deathmatches and the like. Grinding in a world without a plot and constantly respawning events and monsters.....it just doesn't sit well with me

SWTOR might not be a success if people like you continue to make judgments about it without looking into the game at all.

SWTOR...world without a plot...haha

The only judgment I have on the game is that I do not like MMOs.

I do not like grinding tasks for hours. I do not like the lack of focus. And I do not like having to buy a game at full price and then continue to pay for it in subscription fees.

I do not like MMOs. I played some WoW back a few years ago, Matrix Online, and Guild Wars.......I got bored of all three within the first month. I just don't like the genre.

I have nothing against BioWare or the KOTOR brand, in fact I love those things. But I don't like MMOs. So I won't even try the game.

[mdugger12]

Maverick827 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Can you get it into your head that some people are simply not interested at all in MMO's?

That's perfectly fine; my comments had nothing to do with whether or not one has the right to dislike MMOs at all.  My post merely aserted that one should research what features a certain MMO contains or does not contain before one makes up one's mind about it.  If the largest thing one does not like about the genre - as the previous posted indicated - is the lack of a plot, and one immediately shuns the first MMO designed specifically to have a plot, then it makes one appear rather foolish, in my opinion.

And your post is correct. But it's becoming more and more obvious in this forum that having information about something isn't necessary to hate it. Actually, things like facts and research only seem to get in the way of one's opinion of a subject.

[Sabriana]

Maverick, because SWTOR is not even released yet, might we all assume that we don't know the whole depth of any "plot"?

Plot is highly subjective. What you think is deeply immersive and interesting might cause someone else to shrug and go "meh".

I'm a vocal critic of DA 2. But I will never put down those who like it. I like most of the people who differ with my own opinion. I frown on the screamers on both sides. I respect people's individuality. I cheer them on. I will voice my difference of opinion, but I would never call them names. Why? Because they have the same right to like what I dislike.

There is no way that I would call those that disagree with me names. As long as they don't attack me, personally, I'm more than happy to discuss pros and cons. I will take their suggestions in seriously, and try them out. It might not work with me, but there is no way that I will dismiss their point of view.

Attacking the person instead of the argument is a terrible habit. I serves no purpose but to inflame. If someone thinks that x, y, and z is bad, good, or ugly they have a right to do so.

[Foolsfolly]

mdugger12 wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Can you get it into your head that some people are simply not interested at all in MMO's?

That's perfectly fine; my comments had nothing to do with whether or not one has the right to dislike MMOs at all.  My post merely aserted that one should research what features a certain MMO contains or does not contain before one makes up one's mind about it.  If the largest thing one does not like about the genre - as the previous posted indicated - is the lack of a plot, and one immediately shuns the first MMO designed specifically to have a plot, then it makes one appear rather foolish, in my opinion.

And your post is correct. But it's becoming more and more obvious in this forum that having information about something isn't necessary to hate it. Actually, things like facts and research only seem to get in the way of one's opinion of a subject.

Please. At this point any information is marketing.

Saying SWTOR will have a plot means nothing. WoW had a plot. Guild Wars had a plot. That's nothing. It's presumptious to think that SWTOR's doing something that EverQuest didn't with plot.

Grinding is still the single largest aspect of those games, especially in WoW. And it's the grinding and subscription fees that bother me. But even when the fees are waved (Guild Wars) I get bored of these games. So previous experience tells me I won't like this game, why waste my money on it.

That's a fact and experience. I'll pick up the next BioWare single-player title, ME3. And if the Dragon Age franchise still has steam in it I'll pick that game up too. But a MMO regardless of subject or developer...they're just not for me. Neither are puzzle games so don't insult me by saying I dislike Bejeweled because I haven't done research or gathered facts on it.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 29 avril 2011 - 10:32 .

[Kabanya101]

The only thing that would hinder the future of Dragon Age 3 would be if they made it with "Hawke" again, or if they brought a whole new character.

The single biggest reaon why I stopped playing DA2. I was pissed that the warden didn't come back, but the real thing that chapped my **** was they brought the teammates from Origins and Awakening in the game. That completely ruined the idea of the warden bringing the team back together to stomp some ****.

Go ahead Bioware, make another game with "Hawke" or someone new, and sales will drop more, because people want to find out about their warden, and morrigan. I am one of those people, and personally I don't care about a guy who's not even a grey warden. The whole idea of DA is to be a grey warden, and take down darkspawn.

Take a good look at the statistics Bioware, the new graphics and gameplay was a plus, but story line and character hindered the sales potential of the game. Hate to break it to the "Hawke" lovers, but he/she is inferior to the warden in every way.

[Maverick827]

 

Sabriana wrote...

Maverick, because SWTOR is not even released yet, might we all assume that we don't know the whole depth of any "plot"?

Plot is highly subjective. What you think is deeply immersive and interesting might cause someone else to shrug and go "meh".

snip

Attacking the person instead of the argument is a terrible habit. I serves no purpose but to inflame. If someone thinks that x, y, and z is bad, good, or ugly they have a right to do so.

I'm not sure if you're accusing me of attacking anyone, because I have not.  I questioned a person's knowledge of something about which he made a claim, which is perfectly acceptable.

I never said that SWTOR has a good plot; I haven't played the game yet, so obviously I cannot make such a claim.  However the person I quoted stated (albeit inadvertently) that it did not have a plot at all, when it certainly does.  What's more is that the existence of a plot is the game's main selling point, and to ignore that is quite unfair.  

It also seems like you're just being a bit stubborn because of your dislike of the genre: "It doesn't have a plot!  Oh...it does?  Well...maybe it won't be good!"  If I told you that all of your favorite writers were on the project and that they were writing the game specifically for you, one wonders whether or not you would question the font in which the script was written.  "Courier New?!  Pshaw!" 

If one is a fan of BioWare games, then SWTOR should make one re-think any preconceived notions one might have about MMOs.

Modifié par Maverick827, 29 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[Foolsfolly]

If one is a fan of BioWare games, then SWTOR should make one re-think any preconceived notions one might have about MMOs.

I'm a fan of BioWare but I didn't even think of picking up the Sonic RPG either. There's a line between fan and blindly loyal. I like the company, I like the general quality of their games (especially story) but I don't assume they can transcend any given genre with their games.

They're not Blizzard (who transcended and redefined RTSs and MMOs).

Also:

However the person I quoted stated (albeit inadvertently) that it did not have a plot at all, when it certainly does.

I never said that, which you even admitted. I just voiced why I don't like MMOs.

Foolsfolly wrote...

I hope SWTOR is a success too.

But I'm not interested in it. MMO's....I don't know. I can't get into them. If I multiplay anything it's shooters. Deathmatches and the like. Grinding in a world without a plot and constantly respawning events and monsters.....it just doesn't sit well with me

Never said anything against it other than I don't like MMOs and gave a few reasons why I don't.

[mdugger12]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Please. At this point any information is marketing.

Saying SWTOR will have a plot means nothing. WoW had a plot. Guild Wars had a plot. That's nothing. It's presumptious to think that SWTOR's doing something that EverQuest didn't with plot.

Grinding is still the single largest aspect of those games, especially in WoW. And it's the grinding and subscription fees that bother me. But even when the fees are waved (Guild Wars) I get bored of these games. So previous experience tells me I won't like this game, why waste my money on it.

That's a fact and experience. I'll pick up the next BioWare single-player title, ME3. And if the Dragon Age franchise still has steam in it I'll pick that game up too. But a MMO regardless of subject or developer...they're just not for me. Neither are puzzle games so don't insult me by saying I dislike Bejeweled because I haven't done research or gathered facts on it.

I wouldn't insult you dude and I didn't call you out as the offending party. I didn't even see your post before I submitted my own. BUT, If the very things that you dislike about a particular genre are the things a developer attempted to fix and improve and you disregard any information regarding those changes because you've already made a decision well......

It's your business what you like or don't like but don't act like it's an informed opinion. Especially when you disregard any information on the subject as marketing and refer to what you consider similar examples as reasons your opinion is valid. But opinions don't have to be valid when it's all said and done. But it doesn't hurt to reserve judgement from time to time.

Anyway ME3 is looking like it's gonna be awesome! Everything else is just to kill time until it's release!

[Gatt9]

DAO MAdhatter wrote...

ARustyFirePlace wrote...

I think EA are gonna get Bioware to only focus on ME and, if it des well, that new Star Wars MMO.

Hopefully we get some more patches and expansion packs, but EA will probably stop support for this game and fire the guys who made it now.

Ya... & so does the rest of the dao fanboys.

Im so sick of this! Da 2 was good. It got good reviews. it made tons of money. Just cause it wasnt DAO 2 doesnt mean that it will tank, if ever.  Got it, your fanboyism isnt gonna make Bioware wann achange it back, & since your such a small part of the over all crowd that liked this game, they wont miss your money.

EDIT: EA may be shutting down companies but Bioware wont be one fo them. EA has already made boat loads of money with ME, so why would they shut down one of there most lucrative devisions?

Actually,  it didn't make tons of money.  It only sold just barely 1 million units,  today,  that's major failure.  Further,  a significant portion of that number is heavily discounted,  it's unlikely EA even made 10 million in revenues.

Further,  Bioware isn't generating "Boatloads of money" nor is it one of their most lucrative divisions.  ME sold 2 million units,  ME2 sold 1.6 million units,  DAO sold 3.2 million.

The Sims sold 13 million units,  EA Sports sells very well each year,  and NFS does relatively well.

Bioware isn't a massive money maker,  they haven't been since KotOR.  EA's shut down bigger money makers for less reason in the past (Westwood,  Origins).

EA bought Bioware only for the Star Wars MMO,  Bioware's not a massive money generator,  just a steady one.  EA thinks SW will be a WoW killer,  that's the only reason,  because aside from that Bioware's not worth anywhere near what EA paid.

[Foolsfolly]

It's your business what you like or don't like but don't act like it's an informed opinion.

Game's not out. If reviews are amazing and people are talking about how it's the best MMO in the world, I'll reconsider. But it's just a genre I don't care for.

[Sabriana]

Maverick, I don't like MMO's. I tried them, and I dislike them very much. I play video games to get away from day-to-day problems. I don't wish to subject myself to other people and/or play by their rules. That is simply my preference. I don't begrudge you yours, so I respectfully ask that you don't begrudge me mine.

I have a large circle of friends, and they are very diverse. Some like action games, some like FPS games some like MMO's, some like RPGs, and some like none. I would never endeavour to belittle those who have tastes that differ from mine.

If you are incredibly fond of MMO's, that is fine. If you wish to play SWTOR, I'll be cheering you on. I want SWTOR to be a smashing success, but I can't contribute to it first hand because I don't like MMO's. However, I'll gladly cheer anyone who loves the genre on. I want SWTOR to be insanely profitable and if you contribute, The more the better. Make it shine.

I love Bioware. I have for the longest time. However, I will voice my opinon. I always have, and they don't seem to have a problem with it.

[Night Prowler76]

I detect alot of sassy talk in this thread.

[Maverick827]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I never said that, which you even admitted.

Where did I admit this? You said verbatim: "in a world without a plot." By "plot" I assumed you were referring to a personal story, not an overarching story (e.g. "Deathwing is attacking Azeroth...do this unrelated thing for now, though."). I corrected your erroneous assumption: SWTOR is designed, from the ground up, to offer a personal story one might see in a single player BioWare game.

Never said anything against it other than I don't like MMOs and gave a few reasons why I don't.

And I never said anything against you other than the reasons why you don't like MMOs are largely inapplicable to SWTOR, which is something you should research and address before making up your mind.

Sabriana wrote...

Maverick, I don't like MMO's. I tried them, and I dislike them very much. I play video games to get away from day-to-day problems. I don't wish to subject myself to other people and/or play by their rules. That is simply my preference. I don't begrudge you yours, so I respectfully ask that you don't begrudge me mine.

Again, I never said I had a problem with poeople not liking MMOs. But, as I said to Fools, a lot of your complaints with the genre do not really apply to SWTOR. It has been a goal from the start for you to be able to play that game as if it were KOTOR 3 through 9 - as a single player game. Whether or not that will be delivered is yet to be seen, but until then there is no reason to discount it.

So, again, perhaps a reevaluation is in order?

Modifié par Maverick827, 29 avril 2011 - 11:21 .

[Everwarden]

Maverick827 wrote...
a lot of your complaints with the genre do not really apply to SWTOR

And you know this how, exactly? Have you played it yet?

[Stegoceras]

Everwarden wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...
a lot of your complaints with the genre do not really apply to SWTOR

And you know this how, exactly? Have you played it yet?

I think what he was trying to explain (in a bit of a crummy way) was, that you can't judge something you haven't experienced for yourself. That would be like saying DA3 would suck, which would probably have a lot of people screaming out. (for those who want to scream at me now, this was an example not an actual opinion of mine since I can't judge it yet)

Modifié par Stegoceras, 29 avril 2011 - 11:36 .

[UltiPup]

One game that didn't do as expected does not mean they'll drop Dragon Age. So quickly we forget how people reacted to Other M. Most people hated it. Nintendo dropped a big load on that. But are people hating Metroid now? Is the fanbase gone? Not at all. So long as there is a fanbase, there is always a reason to keep a series going. By posting in their Social Forum, Bioware knows they still have a fanbase to cater to. They just know what worked with the fans and what didn't work. Maybe worked something with EA to give them as much time as needed.

[Maverick827]

Everwarden wrote...

And you know this how, exactly? Have you played it yet?

You're being unfairly skeptical. What I said is the game's intention. If it fails to live up to that, then so be it, but that does not mean you should assume so from the start and immediately discount the game. Else, one cannot really look forward to any game, right?

How do you know the next Call of Duty will ship with gunplay? Maybe they'll remove them at the last second and turn it into a puzzle game. No point in looking forward to it (assuming one is a fan of the series) until it comes out, then.

How do you know Skyrim will be an RPG? Maybe they'll scrap everything last minute and make it a 2D platformer. You never know!

We all have access to the same information and, at this point in time, we should assume it to be fact until proven otherwise.  Believing anythign else is simply being disingenuous, paranoid, and cynical.

Modifié par Maverick827, 29 avril 2011 - 11:47 .

[Everwarden]

Maverick827 wrote...
You're being unfairly skeptical. What I said is the game's intention. If it fails to live up to that, then so be it, but that does not mean you should assume so from the start and immediately discount the game

I will play it, most likely. 

Sad, I hate myself for giving Bioware more money. But I'd be lying if I said I could resist trying it out. 

That said, I don't put any trust in Bioware marketing bull**** at this point.

Modifié par Everwarden, 29 avril 2011 - 11:49 .