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[AdmiralCheez]

GodWood wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Well, no. I actually have a few gripes with the Suicide Mission, which I'll list here:

1. It was pretty damn easy to get the "perfect ending" if you actually paid attention and played the game.
2. Regardless of whether or not it looked like the Terminator, the final boss wasn't much of a challenge, either.
3. Huzzah! Assault rifles for everyone! Can't wield them in-game? Who cares?!
4. Commander Sherpderp strikes again with the occasional hilariously bad line and logic fail

And this is why I cannot love the Suicide Mission

Can't say I blame ya.

[jamesp81]

lazuli wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

It would have been better if the idea of losing a squad member or many members was real and could happen . Bioware made it all to easy .

..if you paid attention.  Most players on the forums are exceptional to one degree or another.  Not everyone experiences absolute success on their first playthrough.

It could be harder, but Bioware probably expected people to skip missions.

I guess I'm not exceptional then  I lost Mordin on my first attempt at the hold the line battle.  I made the right choices for specialists (tali/samara) and fire team leaders (garrus/garrus), but I screwed the pooch on who to send back to the ship and who I took during the final boss fight.  I sent Zaeed back with the crew and took Grunt into the final battle.  As it turns out, these two are the strongest team mates for the hold the line battle.

[faeriehunter]

jamesp81 wrote...
I guess I'm not exceptional then  I lost Mordin on my first attempt at the hold the line battle.

No you're not. The same thing happened to me, and I remember that before the devs explained the "hold the line" thing a lot of people (including me, actually) were confused about why Mordin (or Tali for some) died there.

As for saving everyone being too easy, I found this developer post quite enlightening: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/5827347/7#5851102

Basically, the decision of when to go through the Omega 4 relay was supposed to be more of a quandary: Do you go immediately so you can save the your kidnapped Normandy crew, risking your squad mates and the entire mission, or do you prepare more but potentially sacrifice the crew? Unfortunately it ended up not working as intended; the choice wasn't clear enough, and by delaying the derelict reaper for long enough you can have the squad fully assembled and loyal without having to delay the rescue of the Normandy crew.

It's a shame, really. If players who wanted to save the Normandy crew would have been forced to do so with a squad that isn't fully loyal yet, then saving everyone (both crew and squad) would have been a lot more difficult and a good challenge for completionists.

[termokanden]

I got Miranda killed in my first playthrough because I couldn't resolve the fight between her and Jack properly.

But yes the hold the line thing was not all that clear. The rest of the SM choices were extremely easy. OK, you need a tech specialist. Then they give you a list of descriptions where it clearly states who is and who isn't a tech specialist. Uhm, I pick Wrex!

[lazuli]

jamesp81 wrote...
I guess I'm not exceptional then  I lost Mordin on my first attempt at the hold the line battle.  I made the right choices for specialists (tali/samara) and fire team leaders (garrus/garrus), but I screwed the pooch on who to send back to the ship and who I took during the final boss fight.  I sent Zaeed back with the crew and took Grunt into the final battle.  As it turns out, these two are the strongest team mates for the hold the line battle.

You're exceptional in that you post on the forums, if nothing else.  The "Hold the Line" segment is the least clear, but it's not hard to do well there even without knowing how the scoring works simply because Grunt, Zaeed, and Garrus are three guys that you don't really want to take against Collectors if you're keeping mind that Collectors = organic, barrier, and sometimes armor.  Yes, Grunt has access to Incendiary Ammo, but you're better off with Warp squadmates.

[Commander_Adept]

Elite Midget wrote...

Command decisions? You mean 'common sense choices'? If so than I agree with you.

"We need someone with tech skills."

Tali is an engineer.
Legion is geth and was created by Quarians. Highly intelligent in all things technological.

Yes, and Kasumi being able to do it as well makes sense, but Thane not being able to is ridiculous. He's more or less on the same level as Kasumi as far as sneakiness, and we know that he went through vents in his recruitment mission, it's logical to assume that he could handle the Collector Base ones (You'd have to be to be a fantastic assassin like him).

"We need someone with leadership skills."

Miranda was in charge of a team of scientist and was a high ranking member of Cerberus. She even has an ability that as 'leader' in it.
Garrus was in charge of his team. They died after betrayal and him being too trusting. None of that is a factor since this is Shepard's Squad thus he can do fine.

Jacob can do it, why? Because he was in the military? Great. Mordin was the leader of the STG. Zaeed was the leader of the Blue Suns. It's logical to think that either of them would be able to lead a team.

"We need someone to escourt the rest of the crew back to the Normandy."

Mordin is the weakest fighter here but is highly intellient and is skiled at avoiding combat. It would be most logical to send him back through the path you just cleared.

Given. That way, he could tend to the wounded if Chakwas is hurt.

"We need a Powerful Biotic for this shield."

Samara is an Asari, who are natural Biotics, and is very old and powerful.
Jack is the most powerful human Biotic you know.
Morinth is an Asari with unimagineable power.

Miranda spends so much time telling you that she was built to be perfect, a very powerful Biotic, and then is one of the people to speak up when this is discussed right beforehand. Stands to reason that she should be able to do it fine.

"We need to hold the line."

Grunt is the biggest and toughest guy on the Squad. Why wouldn't he stay?
Garrus has a record of fighting against impossible odds, taking a rocket to the face, and killing large swaths of people.

Yep.

[Lunatic LK47]

Commander_Adept wrote...



Yes, and Kasumi being able to do it as well makes sense, but Thane not being able to is ridiculous. He's more or less on the same level as Kasumi as far as sneakiness, and we know that he went through vents in his recruitment mission, it's logical to assume that he could handle the Collector Base ones (You'd have to be to be a fantastic assassin like him).

Thane ASSASSINATED people. He sucks at tech. What's next, you want a sniper to defuse bombs, considering snipers don't defuse bombs?

Jacob can do it, why? Because he was in the military? Great. Mordin was the leader of the STG. Zaeed was the leader of the Blue Suns. It's logical to think that either of them would be able to lead a team.

Mordin is a SCIENTIST and is more of a GET **** DONE FAST, AND GO HOME type of person. What's next, you want a car mechanic to perform heart surgery? Last time I checked, he served UNDER Kirahe.. Did you ever bother talking to the guy? Zaeed is always "My team did **** and ONLY I SURVIVED" both in and outside of missions (i.e. R&R). If Zaeed is that much of a great leader, why the hell did the rest of the Blue Suns follow Vido? if he's that great of a leader? It's as stupid as expecting Luca Brasci (the slow strong-guy) from Godfather 1 to replace Vito Corleone as the head of the family. Does not compute.

"We need a Powerful Biotic for this shield."

Samara is an Asari, who are natural Biotics, and is very old and powerful.
Jack is the most powerful human Biotic you know.
Morinth is an Asari with unimagineable power.

Except Miranda outright tells you SHE'S CAPABLE OF MAKING MISTAKES. Did you forget to talk to Miranda after every mission you do?

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 29 avril 2011 - 10:38 .

[didymos1120]

Commander_Adept wrote...

Yes, and Kasumi being able to do it as well makes sense, but Thane not being able to is ridiculous. He's more or less on the same level as Kasumi as far as sneakiness, and we know that he went through vents in his recruitment mission, it's logical to assume that he could handle the Collector Base ones (You'd have to be to be a fantastic assassin like him).

You realize the sneaking in part had nothing to do with being successful at the actual task, which was hacking an alien, unfamiliar security system.  And the person in the vents was entirely dependent on external aid to progress.  Also, you might want to actually look at them sometime: there's no skill whatsoever required to navigate them because they're large enough for the person to just walk through without having to hunch over even a little bit. Thane's awesome crawling skillz are totally useless there.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 avril 2011 - 10:44 .

[Someone With Mass]

Kasumi's whole loyalty was pretty much about hacking a big door, which she claimed to be one of the best at.

That's why I sent her into the tube, since they said there was this big door someone needed to hack.

Worked just fine.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kasumi's whole loyalty was pretty much about hacking a big door, which she claimed to be one of the best at.

That's why I sent her into the tube, since they said there was this big door someone needed to hack.

Worked just fine.

I used that logic with Thane.
"this man knows his way around vents! Hell, he was jumping out of one when we first met him!"

That didn't go nearly as well as I had hoped...

Maybe it's really humid in those vents?

[AdmiralCheez]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Maybe it's really humid in those vents?

That was mean.  You're a horrble person.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The only place I can really understand messing up on is Zaeed and leading the teams. According to the qualifications you are told you need Zaeed meets them perfectly. I suppose I can also understand using Miranda as the biotic specialist too.

Listen to Zaeed stories:

"A few months back some mates and I went out for coffee and bagels.  I was the only one who came back alive."

[Anacronian Stryx]

My main complaint was that it was to short.

Would have been fun if Bioware had played around with the whole "divide into teams" thing a bit more.

Like Shep and his/her team finds themselves completely surrounded..a collector moves arrogantly forward.
Harbingers voice : "Shepard you have lost, lay down your weapons and your Ascension will be quick"
"Bam" *collector goes up in smoke* to the left you see Garrus and the rest of his fire team come running and shooting bugs left and right -- Shep and his team joins the fray*
After the fight.
Shepard : "Took your sweet time getting here Garrus".
Garrus : "Yeah well i had to calibrate the scope of my rifle first".

Or something like that.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

The only place I can really understand messing up on is Zaeed and leading the teams. According to the qualifications you are told you need Zaeed meets them perfectly. I suppose I can also understand using Miranda as the biotic specialist too.

Listen to Zaeed stories:

"A few months back some mates and I went out for coffee and bagels.  I was the only one who came back alive."

Haha, yes. God damn I love that guy. I have to do my renegade ME2 playthrough. Amorality loves company!

Also, great job on the OP. I didn't notice it until today, and it's too late to quote it, but I think it was great and agree with pretty much everything.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Zaeeds stories only tell me that he undertakes very dangerous missions where fatalities are inevitable. That says nothing about his leadership except that he has a lot of experience at it. I doubt he's gonna tell you a story about a mission where everything went smoothly. It wouldn't be very exciting to listen to.

Really?  All I got was, "damn, this guy's a death magnet."

The dialog during the Suicide Mission when you have Zaeed leading the first team also makes it clear that they are making excellent progress. It seems originally he was meant to be a good choice to lead the first team.

Fun fact: Zaeed was, originally, going to be leadership material, but BW apparently changed their minds.  I kind of prefer that he's a fail leader anyway--it makes him a hell of a sucker punch, like making Miranda the biotic, only you're less likely to see it coming.

Anyway, it's not like he's useless--I have him spam inferno grenades to armor-strip husks so I can toss them around with AoE biotics, then use his beefy defense bonus to add to the "hold the line" score.

EDIT: And thanks, CGG.  I spent more time on it than I should have.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 30 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[Pwener2313]

mangiraffedog 000 wrote...

Excelsior!

How are you not banned.......

[AdmiralCheez]

Pwener2313 wrote...

mangiraffedog 000 wrote...

Excelsior!

How are you not banned.......

You should have been here this morning.

[Sebby]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Zaeeds stories only tell me that he undertakes very dangerous missions where fatalities are inevitable. That says nothing about his leadership except that he has a lot of experience at it. I doubt he's gonna tell you a story about a mission where everything went smoothly. It wouldn't be very exciting to listen to.

Really?  All I got was, "damn, this guy's a death magnet."

The dialog during the Suicide Mission when you have Zaeed leading the first team also makes it clear that they are making excellent progress. It seems originally he was meant to be a good choice to lead the first team.

Fun fact: Zaeed was, originally, going to be leadership material, but BW apparently changed their minds.  I kind of prefer that he's a fail leader anyway--it makes him a hell of a sucker punch, like making Miranda the biotic, only you're less likely to see it coming.

Anyway, it's not like he's useless--I have him spam inferno grenades to armor-strip husks so I can toss them around with AoE biotics, then use his beefy defense bonus to add to the "hold the line" score.

EDIT: And thanks, CGG.  I spent more time on it than I should have.

I still haven't forgiven Miranda for getting Legion killed on my first playthrough. I would have shot her in the head for it if I could have.