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[Gamer Ftw]

Rotfl You would have to be pretty daft to see a romance with a mage or elf wouldn't work common sense isn't meta-gaming.
And I disagree he could have argued with Morrigan about anything he chose her being an apostate.
For an elf being with him pretty much means If she has kids they will be human.
And If she is dalish her clan would be furious in the lore it says elf human relationships are looked down on.
And if she is a mage how would she feel if she managed to have kids and they were mages Alistair would want them in the circle.
Also if you were a female city elf wouldn't you be wary of human males?
If you were dalish wouldn't you distrust humans?
If you were a female mage wouldn't you be a bit scared of someone who could drain your magic and leave you helpless?
It seems to me no one is Rping they just romance him because they find him appealing.

[Corker]

Yep. You've totally found us out. That's exactly it, with no possible exceptions.

The conspiracy is over, everyone. Our charade has been pierced. Oh noes.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Kids aren't an issue considering Alistair and the PC are Wardens. There are no records of them ever having children with one another due to the Joining screwing with their fertility.

It seems to me you have a very narrow view of roleplaying, if they all have to fit into your categories of who hates/likes what. That said, I am sure plenty of people DID romance Alistair without an eye to roleplaying, but that is no reason to paint everyone with the same brush unless you just like trolling.

[Gamer Ftw]

oh of course, everyone who disagrees with you MUST be a troll.
And they aren't my catagories of who likes what a lot of what I said is in the game.
Did you not notice most Dalish don't like humans?
It says in the codex that elf human relationships are disapproved of what part of that is my opinion?
and kids aren't impossible just very unlikely.

[Addai]

Because the way you see the game and his character is the only possible way they can be interpreted?

All the things you mention are what make the pairing fun as far as I'm concerned. Dramatic tension, dude. Look it up. While you're at the library, pick up a copy of Romeo and Juliet.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 avril 2011 - 04:21 .

[Gamer Ftw]

Are you serious?
Worst book ever.
A pair of teenagers end up killing themselves over a silly romance.
Are you seriously using this as an example of what you would want in a romance?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Why on earth do you assume that what people do in a fantasy computer game is what they want in real life? XD Some people play an RPG to roleplay. One character might be the sort who falls in love with Alistair, the next character might be someone who executes him.

oh of course, everyone who disagrees with you MUST be a troll.

I didn't call you a troll for disagreeing. But I suppose you can't expect much of a conversation from someone who's founded a group called "Death to Alistair", heh.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 30 avril 2011 - 05:10 .

[kglaser]

I was a mage and I was very happy with the ending I got. Anora as queen and Al and I both alive at the end and still together.
Mind you, I had to play through the landsmeet 3x to get that... XD

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Riiiight...because all elves will automatically hate humans, all mages automatically hate templars. And their opinions NEVER change.

I RP quite heavily, and have had no problems RPing a romance with Alistair as a mage (don't play elves), whether it ends happily or not. I think it is the OP that needs a lesson in proper RP and "common sense".

As far as mages go, Alistair was never a full blown templar, nor did he want to be, and he does not support the Chantry. He carries over some knee jerk reactions as a result of being raised in the Chantry. He does not like killing mages, he even states during a convo how being present at a failed harrowing made him want to be a templar even less.

And if you had ever bothered to read any of the codexes, you will find Alistair is actually quite fascinated by magic and the arcane, not repulsed by it. Alistair's main problem with Morrigan is not so much that she's an apostate, but that she tends to be mean, cruel, and heartless. Her being an apostate is just an extra point of needling.

So again, I do not see how a mage/alistair pairing somehow does not make sense. It actually makes quite a bit of sense. There is also the factor of Alistair's mother, whose identity remains a mystery, but many have speculated that she was Fiona, an elven Grey Warden mage. So an attaction to or from elves or mages does not seem odd, if one subscribes to that theory, either.

[Gamer Ftw]

I get it now you're all teenagers never mind.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I get it now you're all teenagers never mind.

Hey, I'll happily be a teenager if it's not in the same age bracket as a guy who creates a fangroup called 'Death to Alistair'. <_<

[mousestalker]

Newsflash: Women are attracted to men.

Wow, who knew?

At the time you start the romance you are both Grey Wardens and very likely do not have a future. Almost everyone you meet thinks you're doomed. Why not seize the day and try to live as best you can? And hey, here's this very good looking, self deprecating charming man just standing here beside me, who is fighting on my side. What's not to like?

[Merilsell]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

If you were dalish wouldn't you distrust humans?

It seems to me no one is Rping they just romance him because they find him appealing.

Actually, I was about to eloborate for my female Dalish having lost everything, her clan, her old life and everything she held dear by becoming a Warden and grew bitter about that, but Alistair never gave up on her, treated her equal unlike other humans and became eventually her anchor in the world of human madness.

....But then I glanced at my signature and remembered I wrote a 270k word fanfiction about that topic, so read that instead.

Not Rp'ing....  Good one...

[Corker]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I get it now you're all teenagers never mind.

Are you sure you're not a troll?  If you're not, you should be aware that's a really troll thing to say.  I'll explain. 

First, the nonexistent punctuation.  That's at least three sentences you've run together.  Not all trolls are shoddy writers, and not all shoddy writers are trolls, but there's considerable intersection.

Write this instead:

"I get it now.  You're all teenagers!  Never mind."

Second, you presume to know everyone's age, and you peg it pretty low, connoting immaturity.  That's what we call an insult, and it's what trolls do.

Third, your closing, "Never mind," is dismissive.  It connotes that the other forumites are not worth your time, and that they have nothing you want to listen to.  That's about the opposite of civilized discourse.

So, if you really insist that you're not a troll, I have to tell you that you're doing an excellent impression of one.  Perhaps you've fallen in with bad Internet company and learned bad habits.  If you are a troll, on the other hand, please do try harder.  This is pretty 101 stuff.  Posting one viewpoint as unassailable fact and then insulting everyone who disagrees?  Come on.  And the "ooo, call me a troll 'cause I have a different opinion!" thing is just silly, when you've been trollish in obvious other ways.  (See above.)  Learn a little subtlety, and perhaps some wit, then try again.

I mean, you are getting a decent response, but I suspect it's because the forum is pretty quiet and we're all bored. 

[tmp7704]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

How can that possibly end well?

Since when romance is about how it ends?

carpe diem.

[Addai]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Are you serious?
Worst book ever.
A pair of teenagers end up killing themselves over a silly romance.
Are you seriously using this as an example of what you would want in a romance?

Then pick another romance that meets your discriminating standards.  Many of them have people from different backgrounds who nevertheless are able to find common ground and respect for each other as well as do the bump and grind.

Not that I think you really want an answer to your question so much as to stir ****.  Sorry to disappoint you.  If you want to roll a Cous every time, by all means do so.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[GSSAGE7]

Has he given a reason why Alistair HAS to be King?
Because if he stays as a Warden, there's not really any problems with the romance, besides the shared infertility.

[Zaxares]

Why do elves and mages romance Alistair? Because sometimes, love is totally illogical and attraction can happen between the most unlikely of couples. Because sometimes, it's nice to see that love can overcome socio-cultural stigmas. Because sometimes, it's nice to see that love is about the person behind their job, their title or their duty.

There's a saying that you can't choose who you fall in love with. If you don't believe that to be true, then I posit that you've never truly been in love.

[Bleachrude]

Unless you knew about Thedas and Ferelden BEFORE you played the game, you don't know what the in-world situation is like for elves and mages.

By the time you DO, you're well into the romance with Alistair and as mentioned, Alistair doesn't ACT like a typical Ferelden.

He has no bias against any of the races and doesn't fear magic (indeed, as mentioned, he's actually fascinated by arcane theory)

[M-Taylor]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Are you serious?
Worst book ever.
A pair of teenagers end up killing themselves over a silly romance.
Are you seriously using this as an example of what you would want in a romance?

Did you honestly just insult William Shakespear?

I mean, sure. By modern day standards, the plot was pretty.. odd. But it's a classic. A classic filled with drama, passion and forbidden love. I mean, it might degrade your mascluinity by even insinuating you might like it.. but worst book ever? Come on. There's a lot of bad authors out there. ¬_¬'

[danerman]

M-Taylor wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Are you serious?
Worst book ever.
A pair of teenagers end up killing themselves over a silly romance.
Are you seriously using this as an example of what you would want in a romance?

Did you honestly just insult William Shakespear?

I mean, sure. By modern day standards, the plot was pretty.. odd. But it's a classic. A classic filled with drama, passion and forbidden love. I mean, it might degrade your mascluinity by even insinuating you might like it.. but worst book ever? Come on. There's a lot of bad authors out there. ¬_¬'

I agree 100%. In modern times the Romeo and Jullette story would be seen as degrading masculinity and in American society the characters would be seen as too young.  In my opinion, it's the best "chick flick" story ever written.  With so much trash put out by Hollywood  studios and others every year, it's  silly to say Romeo and Julliette is the worst story ever written. 

Back on topic I actually have never had an Elven or mage character romance Alistair, they all gravetated to Leliana or Zevran.  But I don't think it's a bad romance and as stated before keeping Alistair a Grey Warden can make it turn out ok.  At least as ok as any other Alistair pairing, you always have the  Morrigan dilemma even if your character is lady Cousland. 

[Zaxares]

danerman wrote...
In modern times the Romeo and Jullette story would be seen as degrading masculinity and in American society the characters would be seen as too young.

Particularly since Juliet was only 13 years old... Romeo, on the other hand, is talked about as if he's a full adult (about 21 years or older). Gives new meaning to the scene where she and Romeo sleep together, doesn't it?

[Retrogue]

For my first full play-through, my character was a mage and a bloodmage at that. She was, well, I don't want to say "evil" but she was quite self-serving. I imagine that her intimate relationship with Alistair happened more out of loneliness and despondency than anything else. She needed companionship, someone to reach out to her. He was conveniently there and willing--Her true love was Cullen, but that romance was even more doomed. This would be the case on both ends. She even told him, much to his consternation, that she wasn't looking for commitment. But commitment wound up occuring anyway.

They didn't get to run off into the sunset though. It ended when she sucker punched him on the top of Fort Drakon. I guess that was her only act of love towards him.

Ah... There is a mod which makes it so anyone can become Alistair's queen regardless of origin. You just have to pass that persuade check.

Modifié par Retrogue, 02 mai 2011 - 02:26 .

[Gamer Ftw]

William Shakespeare wrote the play but he took the names of the characters and plot from a poem that had already been written.
Anyway a romance where two people kill themselves is creepy not romantic.
In this story as in the Alistair mage/elf romances I feel it will lead to a bad end.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 02 mai 2011 - 05:35 .