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[Friera]

First time I played through I did everything for Fenris, so Hawke and Fenris hooked up and ended with 100% friendship. I decided to play as a mage next time, and rivalromance him. Does the dialogue change a lot when Im a mage? (since he should hate me...)

I tried once already to romance him with rivaly, but he never showed up at my estate in act II after the Bitter Pill quest... (although I only flirted with him ) Do I need a certain rivaly point to hook up with me?

And at the ending, do I need 100% friendship/rivaly to be able to let him stay with me when Im supporting the mages?

[Patriciachr34]

I believe you need 100% rival for him to show up. Once he's there, he will follow you regardless of your decision.

[Vhardamis]

For rivalmance:
You need 75% rival or more.
Flirt whenever you can in Act I & II.
Complete bitter pill in Act II with the following conditions: give the girl money do not give her a job. Allow him to kill Hadriana. Flirt again.
If it worked he will still leave after the flirt and choosing the option you don't have to go. You have to leave your house and go back and he should have come back a second time and this initiates the romance.

[Mikka-chan]

The guide says that Fenris will follow you, but the romance will break if your romancing rival and side with the Mages.

Whether to believe that or not, I don't know. The guide is weird.

[IanPolaris]

I've sucessfully done the romance and rivalmance as a mage. Frankly the rivalmance was far less pleasent and could be summed up by the two words: "Hate Sex"

You do NOT have to send the Elf-Girl away for money. You can give her a job. You will be able to either romance or rivalmance her just fine (you can NOT make her a slave though....AFAICT that will break the romance). Other than that, get the Rivalry and/or Friendship above 50% and then pick the romanatic dialog options at the end of "Bitter Pill". He will sleep with you that night. He never stays with you, however. You will know if the Romance has taken if Fenris now sports a red 'Love Band" on his right wrist. In order for teh Romance/Rivalmance to complete, you do have to give him both gifts and get his romance/rivalmance up to 100%. In addition, you can NOT initiate a Romance with Merrill or Anders. Either will override the Rivalmance.

Finally if you do the Anders quest "Justice" in Act Three, you must give the "none of your business response". If you say that Fenris left, that also kills the Romance/Rivalmance.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  Provided you got Fenris to 100% Friendship or Rivalry by Last Straw, he won't leave you no matter what, and that means you can complete the romance no matter which side you take.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 30 avril 2011 - 03:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Uh...making her a slave will *not* break the romance. I have done so and romanced Fenris.

[Ollymandias]

Yeah, I didn't think he dumped Hawke for taking Orana as a slave. He really should have done though. Seriously, for Hawke to be able to enslave Orana then shag Fenris straight after is a bit narrative-breaking. For Anders, when Hawke listens to a demon's offer, it's a dealbreaker for him. Enslaving Orana should have been a dealbreaker for Fenris.

I preferred the rivalmance to the friendmance in Fenris's case. My Hawke was generally nice to Fenris, if a bit sanctimonious about letting go of his past, and I got the impression that my Hawke's generally pro-mage, apostate-helping stance often exasperated Fenris, but I never thought they hated each other.

In Merrill's rivalmance, when I got the Arulind'holm from the Keeper and then refused to give it to Merrill while trying to be as compassionate as possible about it, she said something along the horrible lines of "I shouldn't have expected any more from a Shem!" During Anders' rivalmance with a pro-Circle Hawke, he says something like "You're exactly everything which is wrong with the world, but I have such a boner for you right now!" In both those situations, I thought that Hawke was more "hated" (albeit temporarily in a fit of emotion in Merrill's case) in both these cases than at any time during Fenris's rivalmance.

The Anders rivalmance was far more "hate sex" than the Fenris rivalmance.

Modifié par Ollymandias, 30 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[IanPolaris]

I will stand corrected on the slave part, but having played both, it's clear from his tone and expression that Fenris if you are a rivalmance and esp if you are a mage, actively despises you....but can't get enough of you. Play both one right after the other and you will see what I mean.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Ollymandias wrote...

Yeah, I didn't think he dumped Hawke for taking Orana as a slave. He really should have done though. Seriously, for Hawke to be able to enslave Orana then shag Fenris straight after is a bit narrative-breaking. For Anders, when Hawke listens to a demon's offer, it's a dealbreaker for him. Enslaving Orana should have been a dealbreaker for Fenris.

Actually it's not.  If you deal with the demon and then betray the demon and save Feynriel in the end, you get a special dialog option with Anders afterwards....and a big approval boost and the Romance is back on.  The deal breaker is if you make a deal with the demon and go through with it which honestly is how it should be.  Even though it's a game, I've only done that once just to see what it was like and still felt I had to take a real life shower afterwords.  It's one of three IMHO inexcusably evil choices in the game.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  The other two are:

1.  Sending Fenris back into slavery at the start of Act III
2.  Siding with Meredith in a clear act of genocide (over something the circle didn't even DO!)

Modifié par IanPolaris, 30 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[Ollymandias]

Play both one right after the other and you will see what I mean.

Do you mean to play the friendmance and the rivalmance back to back for comparison? Or the mage and non-mage?

I've played a mage rivalmance and a rogue friendmance, and I came to a very different conclusion to you. Of course, there is a variance between rivalmances depending on how you play your Hawke. A mage Hawke who is rude and insensitive and who knows when to really twist the knife to wring every last point of rivalry from Fenris will play a very different romance to a mage Hawke who is ideologically opposed to Fenris on the subject of mage freedom but is generally personable and fun to be around, will play a very different romance to a mage Hawke who appoints himself Fenris's therapist and takes every possible opportunity to sternly tell him off about 'not all mages are the same mage', then rehabilitate and busybody him about clinging to past traumas.

I have not experienced a Fenris-hates-Hawke sort of rivalmance, personally.

[Ollymandias]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ollymandias wrote...

Yeah, I didn't think he dumped Hawke for taking Orana as a slave. He really should have done though. Seriously, for Hawke to be able to enslave Orana then shag Fenris straight after is a bit narrative-breaking. For Anders, when Hawke listens to a demon's offer, it's a dealbreaker for him. Enslaving Orana should have been a dealbreaker for Fenris.

Actually it's not.  If you deal with the demon and then betray the demon and save Feynriel in the end, you get a special dialog option with Anders afterwards....and a big approval boost and the Romance is back on.  The deal breaker is if you make a deal with the demon and go through with it which honestly is how it should be.  Even though it's a game, I've only done that once just to see what it was like and still felt I had to take a real life shower afterwords.  It's one of three IMHO inexcusably evil choices in the game.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  The other two are:

1.  Sending Fenris back into slavery at the start of Act III
2.  Siding with Meredith in a clear act of genocide (over something the circle didn't even DO!)

I think that it is absolutely in-character for Anders to break up.  I think that it makes absolute sense from his perspective.  

I brought it up because I was comparing it to the out of character willingness Fenris seems to have to overlook enslaving Orana, which I thought was absolutely bizarre. 

I think the characters SHOULD be turned off Hawke if Hawke does something they consider absolutely despicable.


Edit

Regarding Anders post-Fade break-up.  

I had interpreted it slightly differently from how you seem to.

I was using a situation where Hawke wants to listen to the demon, fights Anders, refuses the demon, then saves the kid.  

Hawke went to talk to Anders who was pretty cross with him, and if you pick any other option aside from "it was all my special secret plan" he remains cross and will never touch Hawke again.  Didn't matter that the kid was a-ok, if you don't bull**** him that it was all a ruse from the start he stays upset.  (i.e. if you listen to the demon's offer, but it doesn't sway you when you weigh up the options, and you decide to do the right thing in the end)  

It wasn't that he was breaking up with you for sacrificing the kid for a few attribute points, it was more that he was breaking up because you were negotiating at all.

Please tell me if I'm remembering it incorrectly.

Modifié par Ollymandias, 30 avril 2011 - 04:58 .

[ejoslin]

I've never felt Fenris hated Hawke in a rivalmance either. He doesn't like the gifts, mind you, from a rival, but then again, it's understandable that he doesn't as one really does humiliate him and the other reminds him of a life of torment and slavery.

The romance dialogs themselves are very similar. There are some differences, and Fenris is faster to anger and faster to place blame on a rival, but he is also fast to apologize and he seems to be more introspective with a rival.

[Feyla]

I'm doing a rival romance at the moment and just started Act II. I did the Questioning Beliefs and Speak to Fenris quests, but not Bitter Pill yet. I just went looking for his 1st gift and it is not there? What gives? Does it show up after Bitter Pill?

[IanPolaris]

Ollymandias wrote...

It wasn't that he was breaking up with you for sacrificing the kid for a few attribute points, it was more that he was breaking up because you were negotiating at all.

Please tell me if I'm remembering it incorrectly.

I believe you are at least interpreting it incorrectly.  There are several places where Hawke can at least listen to a demon and they all generate disapparoval from Anders, but only Night Terrors causes the romance to break up.  If you take any option OTHER than it was my secret plan, then you are telling Anders that you were seriously considering selling out a boy's soul for your own personal power....so it's no wonder he broke up.

However, my point stands.  You CAN deal with the demon in Night Terrors and not lose the Anders Romance if you tell him that it was a trick.

-Polaris

[Ollymandias]

Either way it isn't any wonder he broke up. I don't believe I said it was, unless you're only looking at the quoted line and not the context from which it came. I think that it fits in with his character that Hawke seriously considering selling a boy's soul is a dealbreaker. The other places where Hawke can listen to a demon do not have the same level of horrible obvious direct consequence- i.e. letting that thing in the Primal Thaig, for example, keep doing its thing does not demonstrate the same amoral, selfish attitude that selling the kid's soul (a kid that Hawke has met and saved once before) does. Obviously they would not have the same consequence or generate the same emotive response from Anders.

However, my point stands. You CAN deal with the demon in Night Terrors and not lose the Anders Romance if you tell him that it was a trick.

I don't think I ever disputed that.

[Crystalgazer]

Feyla wrote...

I'm doing a rival romance at the moment and just started Act II. I did the Questioning Beliefs and Speak to Fenris quests, but not Bitter Pill yet. I just went looking for his 1st gift and it is not there? What gives? Does it show up after Bitter Pill?

You need to go to the Alienage at night in act 2 to get the Book of Shartan.  It should be available any time during Act II, a far as I know. I think it's in a sack next to the flight of stairs.

I've romanced Fenris as both friend and rival and I don't think there's that much of a difference. The pre-love scene after the Bitter Pill quest does make more sense in a rivalry, especially if you've been using the aggressive options.  The shoving Hawke into the wall bit seems to follow on more naturally after the two of them have been yelling at each other, and it was extremely jarring when that happened during the friendship romance I did with him. The final Questioning Beliefs in act III is better as a rival as well. Pretty much everything else is similar, if not the same. 

[Feyla]

I did loot the sack though, and got a 'moth eaten shirt" LOL
It must come after the quest.

[Persephone]

Feyla wrote...

I did loot the sack though, and got a 'moth eaten shirt" LOL
It must come after the quest.

There are two sacks (At least) in the Alienage at night. When you enter the Alienage, stick to the left. You'll find it.:happy:

Modifié par Persephone, 30 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[Friera]

Thank you so much for all the help ! Truly appreciate this! 

I will try this. Lets hope he will be be at the estate this time. But it seems like its difficult to get him to 100% rivaly cause you have to please him as well during his quests... I just hope I manage to get him to 75% rivaly by the end of act 1 (btw, is 75% meaning if the bar i divided in 4 parts, like rivaly 100%-75%-50%(neutral)-75%-100% Friendship?

Cant wait to try romance him as mage/rival! XD the Anders friendship romance Im doing at the moment is so boring.

Modifié par Friera, 01 mai 2011 - 01:58 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I highly recommend the Fenris rivalmance - my favourite romance so far. The conversation before the final battle was awesome. (My sarcastic Hawke picked the 'I'm sorry, I don't think I heard that ...' option when he declared his feelings for extra lols.)

But it seems like its difficult to get him to 100% rivaly cause you have to please him as well during his quests...

I never had this problem. I think the only time I got a Friendship boost was when I gave Orana a job, and I managed to get the points back by telling him not to kill every mage he saw.

(Mind you, the only companion I've had trouble getting to full rivalry with so far is Sebastian - he kept approving every time I rescued a kitten from a tree or some damn thing. Haven't even bothered to try it with Varric.)

Modifié par Andrastee, 01 mai 2011 - 02:29 .

[Friera]

I somehow mamanged to get him to 100% rival at the end of Act I. Yay!

So... I guess it will work!

[SexBomb]

Rivalmancing Fenris with a mage is the best decision you can make in playing DAII. No romance will ever be the same.

All that aside, with the exception of the angry kiss, I didn't notice many dialogue differences. There are a few that are mage specific, but most of them come up regardless of whether you're romancing or rivalmancing.

[Master Shiori]

IanPolaris wrote...



You do NOT have to send the Elf-Girl away for money. You can give her a job. You will be able to either romance or rivalmance her just fine (you can NOT make her a slave though....AFAICT that will break the romance). 
-Polaris

We're talking about romancing Fenris here, not Oriana. 

And no, Whatever you decide to do in regards to Oriana will have no effect on your romance with Fenris. My mage Hawke kept her as a slave and succesfully completed the rivalmance.

[Master Shiori]

Burayan_Koga wrote...

Will Fenris change his views on magic when making him a rival?

In general? No.

But he will come to respect you, despite not agreeing with your decisions.