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[Ryzaki]

Oooh you played douchebag Hawke.

Douchebag Hawke can treat *everyone* like crap and still romance them. Anders isn't an exception in the least. All Douchebag Hawke has to do is decide not to deal with Torpor (either that or not have Anders in the Fade with him).
You can chew your mother out and she doesn't do crap either. Douchebag Hawke gets away with pretty much everything. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 avril 2011 - 05:02 .

[ejoslin]

Sabariel wrote...


Considering how much of a jackhole my Rivalmance Hawke was, Orana would not be very well cared for living with him. He'd probably have her sleeping outside with Dog...

And if you give Orana money and let her go off on her own... she does pretty well considering...

It just kills me that you can treat Fenris and everyone around "you"
like utter crap and Fenris still falls for you/sleeps with you. Made no
sense to me... at all. The Rivalmances should have had more "crisis points" IMO.

But she doesn't -- she has a very specific place in the house.  Head-canon is one thing, but there's nothing that indicates that you're using Orana for the latest blood magic sacrifices or anything.  Having her sleep with the dog, that may very well be better than many of her alternatives.

I wonder if you really can treat everyone around you like crap -- doesn't that cause you to gain friendship when you treat mages and mage-sympathizers like crap?  I don't know.  I never really have problems getting him to max rivalry.  It's a funny thing, though; when you take the red options with him, he generally doesn't take them as insulting or anything.  Tell him he whines too much and he actually considers it and has to agree, for instance.

I think it would work better if there were two meters -- a values meter and a respect meter.  But the weakness with Fenris is pretty much the weakness with all the romances.  You're mean to them, you go against what they believe in, and they have sex with you and learn from you anyway.  No matter what your motivations.

[Sabariel]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oooh you played douchebag Hawke.

Douchebag Hawke can treat *everyone* like crap and still romance them. Anders isn't an exception in the least. All Douchebag Hawke has to do is decide not to deal with Torpor (either that or not have Anders in the Fade with him).

Yeup. Hawke did/said things that scandalized me and yet Fenris was still all:

There were times where I wanted to shake Fenris by the shoulders and tell him to have more self esteem because my Hawke was a bullying, aggressive, downright abusive jackass and that he (Fenris) deserved better

[Sabariel]

ejoslin wrote...

Sabariel wrote...


Considering how much of a jackhole my Rivalmance Hawke was, Orana would not be very well cared for living with him. He'd probably have her sleeping outside with Dog...

And if you give Orana money and let her go off on her own... she does pretty well considering...

It just kills me that you can treat Fenris and everyone around "you"
like utter crap and Fenris still falls for you/sleeps with you. Made no
sense to me... at all. The Rivalmances should have had more "crisis points" IMO.

But she doesn't -- she has a very specific place in the house.  Head-canon is one thing, but there's nothing that indicates that you're using Orana for the latest blood magic sacrifices or anything.  Having her sleep with the dog, that may very well be better than many of her alternatives.

I wonder if you really can treat everyone around you like crap -- doesn't that cause you to gain friendship when you treat mages and mage-sympathizers like crap?  I don't know.  I never really have problems getting him to max rivalry.  It's a funny thing, though; when you take the red options with him, he generally doesn't take them as insulting or anything.  Tell him he whines too much and he actually considers it and has to agree, for instance.

I think it would work better if there were two meters -- a values meter and a respect meter.  But the weakness with Fenris is pretty much the weakness with all the romances.  You're mean to them, you go against what they believe in, and they have sex with you and learn from you anyway.  No matter what your motivations.

Not in my Hawke's house, it ain't. Being treated like a slave would not be pleasant. I'm surprised Fenris allowed it considering he goes on and on about how the mages/his enslavement left a mark on his dark, dark soul...

I didn't stick with one tone. I chose whatever tone would make Hawke sound the most abusive/jackassy/mean/whatever in that moment, to that person. Pretty much everyone hated my Hawke. Only Isabela remained at neutral because I never take her anywhere... or talk to her (poor girl).

I got halfway through Anders' rivalmance then Justice scared me away. I might go back anyway... because treating Justice like crap is probably more "fun" than treating Fenris like crap

[ejoslin]

Well, I can't argue with that. All I can say is that it is a weakness of all the romances -- I'm not about to defend it because I'm not crazy about that mechanic either. It would be better if they had two meters instead of just the one so that could be taken into account.

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 avril 2011 - 05:15 .

[Sabariel]

Indeed. I like the idea of a two-meter system.

[Ryzaki]

Sabariel you can't treat Justice like crap. Only Anders. Justice throws hissy fits and tells you to GTFO but that's all he ever does. (Well that and hijack Anders' body once in a while and probably tries to cut Hawke off.) Otherwise nothing special happens to Hawke.

[Sabariel]

Technically I'm also treating Justice like crap when I treat Anders like crap because they are one... and treating Justice like crap makes me happy because... I'm mean?

[Ryzaki]

Sabariel wrote...

Technically I'm also treating Justice like crap when I treat Anders like crap because they are one... and treating Justice like crap makes me happy because... I'm mean?

The only thing that's gonna happen to you is Justice'll rip your head off. 

[Sabariel]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Technically I'm also treating Justice like crap when I treat Anders like crap because they are one... and treating Justice like crap makes me happy because... I'm mean?

The only thing that's gonna happen to you is Justice'll rip your head off. 

I'd like to see him try. I've got the Ghostbusters on my side... oh, and that adorable little psychic lady from Poltergeist

Modifié par Sabariel, 30 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[ThePinkFoxx]

It was great being able to romance Anders, it was very romantic but it needed to be longer! One kiss is not a romance scene!!

[Maria Caliban]

I can see Hawke treating Merrill and Fenris like crap and them still falling for him or her.

[Toreyn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I can see Hawke treating Merrill and Fenris like crap and them still falling for him or her.

Apparently that works, and I really don't know why.  What's the point of role-playing if the outcome is the same?

[hoorayforicecream]

Toreyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I can see Hawke treating Merrill and Fenris like crap and them still falling for him or her.

Apparently that works, and I really don't know why.  What's the point of role-playing if the outcome is the same?

To some, the journey is what's important and not the outcome.

[Esbatty]

Douche!Hawke gets all the damaged goods he/she could want.

Hawke: We're going to the Rose.
Fenris: But we just-
Hawke: Not "we", "you" just had your fill. I'm not even close. Now lets go get Isabela and Merrill.
Fenris: What?
Hawke: Exactly, what is up with all the questions? What do I look like a sexually disappointed codex?
Fenris: I have no words, but for some reason I love you.
Hawke: Damn straight.

Modifié par Esbatty, 30 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[Apathy1989]

My blood mage rivalmanced fenris which was very intense/hot. As a romance I thought it was good, as a relationship I never really understood why fenris would like rival hawk except for the sex.

I've romanced merrill and isabela many times, although isabela only as a friend. Isabela is probably my favourite once you scratch the surface with her. Merrill is much better as a rivalmance too.

Anders and Sebastians romances are terrible though. Some of the lines anders came out with.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 30 avril 2011 - 11:23 .

[MG800]

Apathy1989 wrote...
Anders and Sebastians romances are terrible though. Some of the lines anders came out with.

"I'll drown us in blood" line ?
There should be some "reasonable" icon for this: "But Anders, I won't be safe... I will be drowning... in blood"
Anders is a master of awkward romance lines.

I did Fenris rivalmance, Merril friendmance, Anders friendmance and Izzy friendmance (it's so hard to be her rival <.<)
Can't decide which one I like the most - Anders, or Izzy romance - both are... something
On the other side, I don't think I'll ever do Fenris romance again - just not my thing. And Merril is a sweetheart, but I'll take rivalmance next time thankyou.
And I DON'T consider Sebastian as a romance option, nuh uh.

Modifié par MG800, 30 avril 2011 - 12:03 .

[Apathy1989]

Not just the "drowning in blood" line, but he comes out with some cheesy romance lines that make my shiver.


I don't get why it takes hawk 3 years to screw isabela though. She seems like she would be up for it any time, but declaring your love for her isn't something I imagine hawk doing until act 2 (as it is now).

Modifié par Apathy1989, 30 avril 2011 - 02:24 .

[Maria Caliban]

Toreyn wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I can see Hawke treating Merrill and Fenris like crap and them still falling for him or her.

Apparently that works, and I really don't know why.  What's the point of role-playing if the outcome is the same?

Characters should react to the PC in a way that makes sense for their personality. What's the point of developing NPCs if they all act the same?

[nightscrawl]

ejoslin wrote...

But she doesn't -- she has a very specific place in the house.  Head-canon is one thing, but there's nothing that indicates that you're using Orana for the latest blood magic sacrifices or anything.  Having her sleep with the dog, that may very well be better than many of her alternatives.

I wonder if you really can treat everyone around you like crap -- doesn't that cause you to gain friendship when you treat mages and mage-sympathizers like crap?  I don't know.  I never really have problems getting him to max rivalry.  It's a funny thing, though; when you take the red options with him, he generally doesn't take them as insulting or anything.  Tell him he whines too much and he actually considers it and has to agree, for instance.

I think it would work better if there were two meters -- a values meter and a respect meter.  But the weakness with Fenris is pretty much the weakness with all the romances.  You're mean to them, you go against what they believe in, and they have sex with you and learn from you anyway.  No matter what your motivations.

It really depends on who you have with you in certain areas and during certain quests. I've worked it out in the past to have both Fenris and Anders max friendship in the same play just by switching out party members during quests. Some quests you can gain friendship for both simultaneously.

Also, I don't really see it as self-hating to play a Fenris friendship as a mage. You can reason it out if you figure that you (1) are against blood magic [they both like you being cross with Merrill about this], (2) understand that mages [yes, including yourself] are inherently dangerous and need to learn to master their powers so they can be used in a responsible way. Fenris himself says on your first meeting that "you are not Danarius." He sees and understands the difference between mages and magisters, but remains wary because he sees the potential for corruption if said mage is weak. As he tells Anders later on, he does not consider Hawke "weak".

That said, I'm in the middle of a rival romance with Fenris as a mage, and from various forums posts I'm really looking forward to continuing it!

MG800 wrote...
"I'll drown us in blood" line ?
There should be some "reasonable" icon for this: "But Anders, I won't be safe... I will be drowning... in blood"
Anders is a master of awkward romance lines.

I did Fenris rivalmance, Merril friendmance, Anders friendmance and Izzy friendmance (it's so hard to be her rival &lt;.&lt;)
Can't decide which one I like the most - Anders, or Izzy romance - both are... something
On the other side, I don't think I'll ever do Fenris romance again - just not my thing. And Merril is a sweetheart, but I'll take rivalmance next time thankyou.
And I DON'T consider Sebastian as a romance option, nuh uh.

If I ever romance Anders again it certainly won't be as a friend. He is just WAY to sappy for me. On the other hand, I don't know if I will be able to bring myself to romance him again at all. Through several subsequent plays he has become more and more annoying with his oblivious mage garbage. And I, even as a mage sympathizer, see that he deludes himself on some of these issues. While I don't like being a total a--hole to my companions, when Anders remarks on my friendship and such I really would like to tell him that I'm not his "friend", and we only share similar views on some things. (I did rival him - non romance - on one play I did, and it was much more enjoyable.)

Regarding Sebastian, I'm going to flirt with him next time to see what he says (for fun), but I don't really consider him a real romance either. I do however, consider him a good friend. I like him a lot and think he added some more depth to the game, especially with his party banter.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 avril 2011 - 03:01 .

[MG800]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Not just the "drowning in blood" line, but he comes out with some cheesy romance lines that make my shiver.


I don't get why it takes hawk 3 years to screw isabela though. She seems like she would be up for it any time, but declaring your love for her isn't something I imagine hawk doing until act 2 (as it is now).

Yeah, he makes me chuckle, when he says them with a serious expression - and the scary/cute part is: he believes it. Or seem to.
His approach to romance is oppostite to mine - that's why I like him. 
And the second one: Yes, there should be option to have a sex with her in act1 and then declare something more in act2 - makes more sense. But that's not how this game work - romance must happen in act2, or not happen at all, by the game mechanic. Sure it sucks - like 3 years of Fenris "not-talking-about-it"

Modifié par MG800, 30 avril 2011 - 02:59 .

[Apathy1989]

nightscrawl wrote...

Regarding Sebastian, I'm going to flirt with him next time to see what he says (for fun), but I don't really consider him a real romance either. I do however, consider him a good friend. I like him a lot and think he added some more depth to the game, especially with his party banter.

He is funny to flirt with. Hawk comes across as very naughty, and he just says things like "erm I am going to go pray... alot".
(edit: This might be because I play a charming/sarcastic hawk, might be different on different character types)

I usually romance merrill since I can relate to her social awkwardness. However she does come across as very clingy and nuts sometimes. Isabela is opposite, I am attacted to her for her strength (and *ahem* features) but would never get involved with someone so sexualised in reality.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 30 avril 2011 - 03:23 .

[kromify]

i'm an anders fan - rivalmancing being more fun simply cause you see justice more, even though i feel mean doing it

[mhendon]

1.Fenris--have only rivalmanced him. Him and my mage/mage sympathizer Hawke should totally hate each other but he's just sooo... alluring. Fenris will never stop hating mages or trying to screw them over. I know this...but I keep coming back! Him even grudgingly siding with the mages doesn't make much sense to me, though. His decision at the end there could have used a little more exposition.

2. Anders--cheesy but emotional. I did him on my first play through but on subsequent play throughs Fenris kept stealing my Hawke. I kept thinking..."Gonna romance Anders now. Romance Anders for my canon Hawke...it'll be the most dramatic...OMG PRETTY TATTOOS!" I keep waffling on Fenris or Anders for my perfect playthrough.

3. Isabella--she's funny, not broody or cheesy but when my Hawke slept with her I kind of cringed...shes a bit of a cess pool. I think implying Isabella had any diseases went a bit too far. Otherwise, I would have had fewer misgivings with romancing her. Shes just not my type.

4. Merril--theres a whole thread about how shes a little too sisterly to romance. Thats how I feel. Shes so innocent and clueless, romancing her feels like taking advantage of her. Can't do it.

5. Sebastian--His voice is amazing and I love the thought of a Rivalmance swaying him to potentially break his vows but come on...this isn't really a romance.

[ejoslin]

mhendon wrote...

1.Fenris--have only rivalmanced him. Him and my mage/mage sympathizer Hawke should totally hate each other but he's just sooo... alluring. Fenris will never stop hating mages or trying to screw them over. I know this...but I keep coming back! Him even grudgingly siding with the mages doesn't make much sense to me, though. His decision at the end there could have used a little more exposition.

Fenris siding with Hawke at the end with the mages makes perfect sense.  This is the person he loves and will stand with, even though he thinks that Hawke is making a mistake.  He does NOT side with the mages, he fights by Hawke's side.  He says it best just before fighting the final battle, "Promise me you won't die, Hawke. I cannot bear the thought of living without you."

He's not about to leave Hawke, no matter what; if he can fight with Hawke, he will.  It's not about the mages.  It's about him being in love.

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 avril 2011 - 07:58 .