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On a scale of 1 to 10, how do you rate DA2?
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#327
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 06:06
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da:o = 8.5 Fantastically realized "old school" rpg with tremendous depth and replayability (largely due to toolset). Suffered from relatively boring and slow combat and ponderous pacing.
da2 = 7.5 Strong rpg with fantastic combat mechanics and pacing, as well as phenomenal voice acting. Suffers from reused environments, strange (and sometimes unfair) enemy spawn mechanics. (Parachuting enemies!) Also suffers from being the sequel to da:o, which is probably the most egregious problem with this game in the eyes of many fans.
da2 = 7.5 Strong rpg with fantastic combat mechanics and pacing, as well as phenomenal voice acting. Suffers from reused environments, strange (and sometimes unfair) enemy spawn mechanics. (Parachuting enemies!) Also suffers from being the sequel to da:o, which is probably the most egregious problem with this game in the eyes of many fans.
#328
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 02:54
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DAO: 9/10
DA2: 2/10 but...
-->Dragon Age - The Champion of Kirkwall and not the sequel: 6/10
DA2: 2/10 but...
-->Dragon Age - The Champion of Kirkwall and not the sequel: 6/10
#330
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 03:18
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Edit: Oops, you asked for both.
DA:O - 9.95 (Flawed, but so much better than the sum of its parts. It put my body in overdrive.)
DA 2 - 8 (More flawed, but still fun and extremely replayable)
DA:O - 9.95 (Flawed, but so much better than the sum of its parts. It put my body in overdrive.)
DA 2 - 8 (More flawed, but still fun and extremely replayable)
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#331
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 03:42
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Rockpopple wrote...
Edit: Oops, you asked for both.
DA:O - 9.95 (Flawed, but so much better than the sum of its parts. It put my body in overdrive.)
DA 2 - 8 (More flawed, but still fun and extremely replayable)
Maybe you can help me then, how exactly is this "extremely replayable"? Not attacking your personally I just cannot see this at all I've finished it once I still havent been able to stomach putting the disc in the machine as of yet to replay it. What makes it replayable for you?
#332
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 03:56
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SoR82 wrote...
Rockpopple wrote...
Edit: Oops, you asked for both.
DA:O - 9.95 (Flawed, but so much better than the sum of its parts. It put my body in overdrive.)
DA 2 - 8 (More flawed, but still fun and extremely replayable)
Maybe you can help me then, how exactly is this "extremely replayable"? Not attacking your personally I just cannot see this at all I've finished it once I still havent been able to stomach putting the disc in the machine as of yet to replay it. What makes it replayable for you?
Same for me X_X i still cant replay it but ME2 i replay it a lottttt!!! XD
#333
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 03:59
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DownyTif wrote...
DAO: 9/10
DA2: 2/10 but...
-->Dragon Age - The Champion of Kirkwall and not the sequel: 6/10
it cant be another game... have anders (ekkk x.x vomit XD) but i feel the same way...
#334
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 04:03
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DA:O - 9.0
Great setting with a good story; outdated graphics; memorable characters; great combat but a little clunky at times;
DA2 - 8.0
Didn't have the dark fantasy feel I was looking for; disjointed story at some points; fun combat with unwelcomed over-the-top animation; reused maps;
Great setting with a good story; outdated graphics; memorable characters; great combat but a little clunky at times;
DA2 - 8.0
Didn't have the dark fantasy feel I was looking for; disjointed story at some points; fun combat with unwelcomed over-the-top animation; reused maps;
#335
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 04:23
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First Playthrough.
DAO = 8
DA2 = 8
Both are good games, in different ways. I enjoy one more than the other though (see replay value).
Replay Value/Score.
DAO = 3
DA2 = 9
For me, the story in DAO were just kind of a dud so it didn't offer me much relay value.
DAO = 8
DA2 = 8
Both are good games, in different ways. I enjoy one more than the other though (see replay value).
Replay Value/Score.
DAO = 3
DA2 = 9
For me, the story in DAO were just kind of a dud so it didn't offer me much relay value.
#336
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 04:27
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"and the story of DAO at least has severals endings!!!"
Nope. One ending. Archdemon is killed. Game over.
"People who think DA2 is better than DAO are fanboys of bioware xD"
O RLY? You do realzie that both DA1 and DA2 are BIO games right? So.. you are claiming preferring one BIO game over another makes you a BIO fanboy? That doesn't even make sense.
Nope. One ending. Archdemon is killed. Game over.
"People who think DA2 is better than DAO are fanboys of bioware xD"
O RLY? You do realzie that both DA1 and DA2 are BIO games right? So.. you are claiming preferring one BIO game over another makes you a BIO fanboy? That doesn't even make sense.
#337
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 04:48
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Volourn wrote...
Nope. One ending. Archdemon is killed. Game over.
Oh come on. Archdemons death is a part of every ending, that doesn't mean it's the only ending. Dragon Age: Origins had multiple endings and a lot of choice. Even if some of the choices only affected the end epilogue, the whole experience was crafted so well that even if it was an illusion, you could feel that you mattered and that you achieved your own ending.
#338
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 04:57
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DAO - 7.5
DA2 - 8.5
Overall it fixed some of the nasty issues I had with Origins, but created some new ones.
DA2 - 8.5
Overall it fixed some of the nasty issues I had with Origins, but created some new ones.
#339
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 05:02
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Oh come on. Archdemons death is a part of every ending, that doesn't mean it's the only ending. Dragon "Age: Origins had multiple endings and a lot of choice. Even if some of the choices only affected the end epilogue, the whole experience was crafted so well that even if it was an illusion, you could feel that you mattered and that you achieved your own ending."
Sure, there were a lot of chocies, and they were awesome to have that lead to different permutations to the same ending.
The main goal of DA1 was to kill the archdemon. There is only one potential conclusion. That is the arhdemons' detah. Nothing wrong with that. DA2 iss et up the same way as well, and the majority of BIO games - heck RPGs - are the same. *shrug*
Sure, there were a lot of chocies, and they were awesome to have that lead to different permutations to the same ending.
The main goal of DA1 was to kill the archdemon. There is only one potential conclusion. That is the arhdemons' detah. Nothing wrong with that. DA2 iss et up the same way as well, and the majority of BIO games - heck RPGs - are the same. *shrug*
#340
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 05:07
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8/10 for each, since the last DA2 patch.
DA:O is a really good traditional RPG (perhaps bit too trad in some ways). DA2's combat is a bit over the top (I blame Varric
) but I liked the way the characters interacted better and the new art style. The characters alone were worth the price of admission in both cases, and the way your dialogue and options changes according to how you've been playing in DA2 is a brilliant touch.
DA:O is a really good traditional RPG (perhaps bit too trad in some ways). DA2's combat is a bit over the top (I blame Varric
) but I liked the way the characters interacted better and the new art style. The characters alone were worth the price of admission in both cases, and the way your dialogue and options changes according to how you've been playing in DA2 is a brilliant touch.
#342
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 05:11
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Volourn wrote...
Sure, there were a lot of chocies, and they were awesome to have that lead to different permutations to the same ending.
The main goal of DA1 was to kill the archdemon. There is only one potential conclusion. That is the arhdemons' detah. Nothing wrong with that. DA2 iss et up the same way as well, and the majority of BIO games - heck RPGs - are the same. *shrug*
But the thing is, DA2 didn't even bother to create that illusion or give flavor to the end through these "different permutations". Think of it as a cake: Origins ending was like a cake with whipped cream, fruits, candy and all sorts of decorations on it and it even had a couple of layers, while DA2's ending was... well, a bowl of bad tasting cake dough. It left people understandably disappointed.
Btw, I just yesterday finished Fallout 1 and it had an ending which wasn't an permutation. Although non-canon, you can join the Master and become a Super Mutant rather than saving the world. It's not a Game Over, it's a valid ending with cinematic and all
#343
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 05:19
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DA:O - 9 I'm on the verge of finishing my fifth playthrough, and it still felt like a new experience in some ways.
DA 2 - 6.5 A rushed product and I can't stomach the thought of trying to play through it again.
DA 2 - 6.5 A rushed product and I can't stomach the thought of trying to play through it again.
#344
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 05:23
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DAO I'd say 8. It was a great, if flawed game. The towns/cities (Lothering, Denerim, Orzimar) all felt empty. Two capital cities with half a dozen peole and the centre for the refugee population that looked more like a campsite.
DA 2 I'd say 6. The combat was much, much better, especially the mage's combat animations but like DA:O, Kirkwall felt empty and for almost a decade, stagnat and unchanging beyond certain areas being inacessible after key events. It mever felt lived in. The copy and paste locations smacked of cutting corners to finish on a deadline. Voice talent was mixed. Nicholas Boulton (Male Hawk), Joanna Roth (Aveline), Nico Lennon (Carver), Gideon Emery (Fenris), Jean Gilpin (Meredith), Victoria Kruger (Isabela), Eve Myles (Merril) and Brian Bloom (Varic) where all great perfomances (the last three especially) but Rebekah Staton (Bethany) and Jo Wyatt (Female Hawk) where poor performances. The rest where mediocre at best. The dialog was also mixed. The banter between Isabel and Aveline or Varic's teasing of Carver and Meril's insecure babble were funny as hell at times but Carver's constant sulking, Anders' sanctamonious whining and just about everything out of Bethany's mouth where frankly annoying.
I liked the Mass Effect-styled radial dialog choices but without any real morale consequences to your choices, they simply altered the way the actor delivered their lines. This was a big flaw with the entire game. You where pidgeon holed from the start without the freedom of choice to be the type of hero you wanted. The same applied with the talents. Why must Carver and Fenris be limited to a double-handed sword and Aveline to the tank? Why was I as Hawk limited to the type of spells and specialisations someone else laid out for me before I even created my character? Why oh why were my companions limited to the one set of armour? Why nerf the spell/attack combos such as freeze/shatter to the point of uselessness? We're not simpletons, Bioware, we're able to make our own choices whilst still fitting into the story.
All in all DA 2 was one of those games that when you first play, you think "wow" but scratch below the surface and the flaws start to mount up. I hope there is a DA 3 but I hope they learn the lessons of DA 2 and combine the best bits from this and its predecessor to create the game DA fans deserve.
DA 2 I'd say 6. The combat was much, much better, especially the mage's combat animations but like DA:O, Kirkwall felt empty and for almost a decade, stagnat and unchanging beyond certain areas being inacessible after key events. It mever felt lived in. The copy and paste locations smacked of cutting corners to finish on a deadline. Voice talent was mixed. Nicholas Boulton (Male Hawk), Joanna Roth (Aveline), Nico Lennon (Carver), Gideon Emery (Fenris), Jean Gilpin (Meredith), Victoria Kruger (Isabela), Eve Myles (Merril) and Brian Bloom (Varic) where all great perfomances (the last three especially) but Rebekah Staton (Bethany) and Jo Wyatt (Female Hawk) where poor performances. The rest where mediocre at best. The dialog was also mixed. The banter between Isabel and Aveline or Varic's teasing of Carver and Meril's insecure babble were funny as hell at times but Carver's constant sulking, Anders' sanctamonious whining and just about everything out of Bethany's mouth where frankly annoying.
I liked the Mass Effect-styled radial dialog choices but without any real morale consequences to your choices, they simply altered the way the actor delivered their lines. This was a big flaw with the entire game. You where pidgeon holed from the start without the freedom of choice to be the type of hero you wanted. The same applied with the talents. Why must Carver and Fenris be limited to a double-handed sword and Aveline to the tank? Why was I as Hawk limited to the type of spells and specialisations someone else laid out for me before I even created my character? Why oh why were my companions limited to the one set of armour? Why nerf the spell/attack combos such as freeze/shatter to the point of uselessness? We're not simpletons, Bioware, we're able to make our own choices whilst still fitting into the story.
All in all DA 2 was one of those games that when you first play, you think "wow" but scratch below the surface and the flaws start to mount up. I hope there is a DA 3 but I hope they learn the lessons of DA 2 and combine the best bits from this and its predecessor to create the game DA fans deserve.
#345
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 05:45
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DA:O- 8.5
DA2 - 8.5
I would rate DA:O higher but as a console gamer I personally couldn't justify doing so. It was a great experience, but it was what it was. DA2 fixed a lot of the problems with the port and, in my opinion, preserved the essence of the franchise. But, even though I really wasn't impressed with the illusion of choice or the "Big for the sake of being big" feel of the original, I still felt that DA2 didn't do enough to flesh out it's own story. Also, even if it all takes place in one city there was way too much recycling. All in all, it evens out.
DA2 - 8.5
I would rate DA:O higher but as a console gamer I personally couldn't justify doing so. It was a great experience, but it was what it was. DA2 fixed a lot of the problems with the port and, in my opinion, preserved the essence of the franchise. But, even though I really wasn't impressed with the illusion of choice or the "Big for the sake of being big" feel of the original, I still felt that DA2 didn't do enough to flesh out it's own story. Also, even if it all takes place in one city there was way too much recycling. All in all, it evens out.
#346
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 10:52
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I will compare DA2 on a scale with other Bioware games I've played.
Baldur's Gate: 8-9
Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn: 10 (A 10 does not represent the true ranking of this game as it is one of the best RPG's of all time.)
Baldur's Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal: 9 (Hard to make a sequel to one of the best RPG's of all time)
Neverwinter Knights and expansions: 8 (Not the best, but still better then any Bioware game till DA:O)
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: 6-7 (Good game for a console port)
Mass Effect: 6
Mass Effect 2: 5
Dragon Age Origins: 8-9 (A good return to what RPG's should be)
Dragon Age 2: 3 (By far the worst game created by Bioware)
Never played Jade Empire so it's not rated on my list.
Other games using a Bioware engine I have played:
Planescape Torment: 9
Icewind Dale: 6
Neverwinter Knights 2: 6-7
The Witcher: 9 (Not what I class a true RPG, but still a great and gritty game)
Baldur's Gate: 8-9
Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn: 10 (A 10 does not represent the true ranking of this game as it is one of the best RPG's of all time.)
Baldur's Gate 2 Throne of Bhaal: 9 (Hard to make a sequel to one of the best RPG's of all time)
Neverwinter Knights and expansions: 8 (Not the best, but still better then any Bioware game till DA:O)
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: 6-7 (Good game for a console port)
Mass Effect: 6
Mass Effect 2: 5
Dragon Age Origins: 8-9 (A good return to what RPG's should be)
Dragon Age 2: 3 (By far the worst game created by Bioware)
Never played Jade Empire so it's not rated on my list.
Other games using a Bioware engine I have played:
Planescape Torment: 9
Icewind Dale: 6
Neverwinter Knights 2: 6-7
The Witcher: 9 (Not what I class a true RPG, but still a great and gritty game)
#347
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 11:06
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dao 9,5
da2 7
replay value
dao 7.5 (redoing the fade part was terrible)
da2 4
da2 7
replay value
dao 7.5 (redoing the fade part was terrible)
da2 4
#348
Posté 02 mai 2011 - 11:36
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Volourn wrote...
Oh come on. Archdemons death is a part of every ending, that doesn't mean it's the only ending. Dragon "Age: Origins had multiple endings and a lot of choice. Even if some of the choices only affected the end epilogue, the whole experience was crafted so well that even if it was an illusion, you could feel that you mattered and that you achieved your own ending."
Sure, there were a lot of chocies, and they were awesome to have that lead to different permutations to the same ending.
The main goal of DA1 was to kill the archdemon. There is only one potential conclusion. That is the arhdemons' detah. Nothing wrong with that. DA2 iss et up the same way as well, and the majority of BIO games - heck RPGs - are the same. *shrug*
There is a difference in scale.
http://social.biowar...6490/27#7278811
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#349
Posté 03 mai 2011 - 01:22
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First Playthrough:
DAO: 9.5/10. Amazing characters throughout, great story, wonderful introduction to the world.
DAII: 5.5/10. Some decent characters and some good ideas but with poor execution.
Replays:
DAO: 9/10. Always fun to play through again and realize what I missed before.
DAII: 4/10. I can't seem to even get half-way through Act I without getting bored.
Other Scales:
ME: 8.5/10. I'm usually not into space games. Enjoyable, but felt a bit repetitive.
ME2: 9/10. Far more enjoyable, less repetition and more stunning scenes and scenery.
NWN: 9.5/10. I spent six years playing this game plus the expansions. Wonderful!
DAO: 9.5/10. Amazing characters throughout, great story, wonderful introduction to the world.
DAII: 5.5/10. Some decent characters and some good ideas but with poor execution.
Replays:
DAO: 9/10. Always fun to play through again and realize what I missed before.
DAII: 4/10. I can't seem to even get half-way through Act I without getting bored.
Other Scales:
ME: 8.5/10. I'm usually not into space games. Enjoyable, but felt a bit repetitive.
ME2: 9/10. Far more enjoyable, less repetition and more stunning scenes and scenery.
NWN: 9.5/10. I spent six years playing this game plus the expansions. Wonderful!
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#350
Posté 03 mai 2011 - 01:44
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I would rate DA2 a solid 8/10. It's not Origins, and I don't think Bioware is presenting it a such anyway, but it is a very good game independent of the predecessor. Given the shorter development cycle forced on the team by good o'l EA, I'm very impressed with how it turned out.
