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[toggled]

I'm still in Act 2. Frankly, I find playing the game to be a chore, mainly due to the recycled environments and the lazy wave combat system. However, I agree with the OP in that I'm finding that the story does have some redeeming qualities.

That's not to say that DA2 is a good game - it's not - but there are parts of the game that are great, and the game overall could have been great if the developers had been given a couple of more years to finish what is clearly a rushed product.

[Yrkoon]

Yxunomei wrote...
but guys BIoware did delivered story-wise.

Right.  Bioware no longer  gets points for that. It's expected. I mean, it's like praising Pizza Hut by saying: "well, at least they serve Pizza!"

The problem here is that they bombed on virtually everything else in DA2.   So,  what good is a story if you have to suffer through mindnumbing tedium and ugly cartoonish Combat/ Animations/graphics/UI/bugs etc. in order to experience it?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 avril 2011 - 10:52 .

[Elhanan]

Dariuszp wrote...

@Elhanan,
Yes, game is challenging on high difficult settings. Still, some stuff like friendly fire should be even on normal. It's funny how your character walk around in sea of flames but some thug with short stick hit him and do damage
Your answer to lack of armor etc. Buy them for the game you bought. Yeah, really something
Well, you have no idea why we collect junk. I have no idea. They have no idea. Bioware will probably learn something now. Still, I was having impression that they knew such stuff.
About "ninja from the sky" thing. You say that they working on that. If DA II would be their first game then it's OK. Everybody learns. But it's not their fist, not even last. And they didn't do this before so much.
Want to see mature game ? Try Witcher. Part one is nice (but some folks complain about fighting solution they used - need to try it for yourself), part 2 will probably make look Dragon Age II like amateurs game. Well see in less than 3 weeks from now.
Anyway, as i say, RED used BioWare engine from NN. See NN:
http://agard.pl/gale...-diame_1067.jpg
Now the Witcher:
http://www.gamershel...271933_full.jpg

All actions have short or long consequences. RPG is just like that. Whatever you do now will have impact on the future. Witcher (again) is like that. Bioware games mostly not. It would be nice to see something that really have some impact later. And impact that really change something. That would be nice. This is i think, Bioware games lack.
Even when i import save from ME1 to ME2 or from DAO to DAII there were NO real changes in gameplay or story :/
I will probably try to mod this game a little later. Hell, i bought it and i don't like it but history shows that community can do great things for their games. See Gothic 3 for example. Oryginal was bad in my opinion but after few community patches and mods, game is nice. Hope to see something like that here.

And excuse me but i didn't call anyone stupid here (well, directly... eee... ehm... ). I just say that most of the changes WAS for stupid people. If you make game more complex or more challenging. If you add variety of things or change nothing then you got next product.
But if you get game of the year, strip it from everything that was good and make it stupid simple then tell me please:
TO WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ALL THAT CHANGES WERE MADE ?

Then again i didn't call stupid, people who play it or enjoy it. I played and there were parts of the game that i enjoy. But all changes remind me of one cheap game (Rally something...). They add some stuff etc but you should see face of my friend when i show him that you can win race just by pressing FORWARD :-D Car just kick around corners and get back on track. No other car was faster than you.
Here, about 75% of fights you can win by just pressing R on normal settings. Try that and see (I was playing warrior when i test that :-D - mages dont have stamina to do that but someone can try).

FF - Ever hear of magic? Maybe flames do not have to fry the caster. In the game, you get to choose rather thn have someone thrust it on your play.

My answer to armor was use what was there, as looks are not always a concern with me. I did want to change robes on my Mage, as they look exactly like ones used by a certain evil Chantry NPC, and searched for mods. Etc.

You have your thoughts over what is enjoyable; I have mine. You disliked the game, and want to hype this new version of Witcher. Just makes one wonder why here, and not over there. Good news! I ain;t on those forums, nor have plans to do so. And I passed on the game, as I do not require virtual nudity among other factors. Nor do I need it to consider myself a mature gamer; the choices seen in both DAO and DA2 are fine with me.

[Huntress]

"Want to see mature game ? Try Witcher"

I like DA, stop pushing the Witcher, not everyone is after some stupid sex cards design for 14 years old boys.

[Alex Kershaw]

DA2 is the worst rated ever Bioware RPG on Metacritic by a large margin. Undeniable.

[MorrigansLove]

Noone likes you DA2! *pushes DA2 over*

[Sussurus]

The cards and sex is immature in the witcher.. luckily it is optional for those who hold no interest in them.

The way it handles a single story narrative, with consequnses over the many chapters however is mature..
At least in the meaning of the phrase not related to Adult content, rather for those of developed intellect.

However saying DA:2 is immature is offensive, I like the game.
I find faults in it, but there are few immature moments in it I've found.

Modifié par Sussurus, 30 avril 2011 - 06:39 .

[Yrkoon]

And the issue isn't about maturity anyway. A game can be completely mature and still be a  turd.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 avril 2011 - 10:48 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Rushed and unimmersive story, horribly glitched, not enough character depth, time jumps horribly implemented. Otherwise I really enjoyed the rest and hope they just fix the above issues for DA3.

[billy the squid]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Noone likes you DA2! *pushes DA2 over*

*DA2 faceplants*  Cries that it's being bullied by mean people.

Modifié par billy the squid, 30 avril 2011 - 11:34 .

[Envor44]

What with all these "love" and "hate" thread.....ugh another way to start flamewars.

[ChickenDownUnder]

As long as there are no personal insults and law breaking, I don't see why people can't form and express their own opinions.

If nobody ever expressed how much they disliked something (or liked!), there would be no progress. Stagnation of creative thinking.

Modifié par ChickenDownUnder, 01 mai 2011 - 12:05 .

[Chromie]

Dariuszp wrote...

Much much better. See this. Walking around a village:

www.youtube.com/watch

It's remind me of Gothic and first Witcher. LIVING NPC. Then try to remember Kirkwall. NPC in the same place. Few of them moving. Only few people on the street IN THE CITY full of people.

Now, see same thing in the King Foltest camp:
www.youtube.com/watch

Try to compare it to ANYTHING in BioWare games...

Attacking the walls:
www.youtube.com/watch

9Lives interwies that show and explain a loot about Witcher:
www.youtube.com/watch


Well, watch and learn Bioware. When CD Project RED develop Witcher 1, it was great game with loot of crap. Crap because game had loooooot of bugs (some of them high caliber when you could not finish the game) and veeeeerryyyyyyyyy looooong loading time. Also NPC was really repetitive. You could see some folks in 10 copies.
What CD Project RED do with that ?

They tell that this was their first game.
They admit that game have problems.
Then they fix it. Giving us patches.
The reduce loading by 80%.
They add variety of the NPC.
They release enhanced edition of the game with all problems fixed. EE got few side stories and tools for developing players own story.
They give it all to download by players without EE.
They learned on that and they preparing Witcher 2.

Watch and learn BioWare before you get us DA III. Learn because Witcher 1 was on aurora engine from YOU. Engine that powered Neverwinter Nights. Witcher look nothing like NN.

Don't forget the released the Enhanced Edition completely FREE to everyone who owns the original Witcher.

They don't half ass it and charge us.

Ahem

Quote from the link

"It’s vastly vastly vastly better than Dragon Age 2 already, and I’ve only played a few hours of it. Your choices and the story affect the entire world. This is how you do epic fantasy."

Modifié par Ringo12, 01 mai 2011 - 01:12 .

[JEMEDAOME2]

Today I started A new DAO playthrough Simply so once it was complete I would import into DA2.
Dragon Age 2 Is nicer looking and plays better while the poor 3rd act and lack of auto attack at launch (for XB360) were letdowns I really like the changes that were made, because of these changes the Mage went from Being my most hated class to my favorite, My PC actually feels a part of the story and I don't get stuck in boring conversation loops. Nuff Sed

[neppakyo]

JEMEDAOME2 wrote...

Today I started A new DAO playthrough Simply so once it was complete I would import into DA2.
Dragon Age 2 Is nicer looking and plays better while the poor 3rd act and lack of auto attack at launch (for XB360) were letdowns I really like the changes that were made, because of these changes the Mage went from Being my most hated class to my favorite, My PC actually feels a part of the story and I don't get stuck in boring conversation loops. Nuff Sed

Heh. your "PC" isn't required for the story. Its all about Varric and Anders.

[Logikal1]

 No

[Hatchetman77]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Yxunomei wrote...
...BIoware did delivered story-wise.  

I disagree

I agree with your disagreement.

[v_ware]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Yxunomei wrote...
...BIoware did delivered story-wise.  

I disagree

I agree with your disagreement.

I second that.

[Pygmali0n]

Sussurus wrote...

The cards and sex is immature in the witcher.. luckily it is optional for those who hold no interest in them.

The way it handles a single story narrative, with consequnses over the many chapters however is mature..
At least in the meaning of the phrase not related to Adult content, rather for those of developed intellect.

However saying DA:2 is immature is offensive, I like the game.
I find faults in it, but there are few immature moments in it I've found.

Good for you. But don't take offence, just open your eyes.

People are exploding balloons if you wave a pin at them, rogues are like leaping leprechauns (in fact warriors too), the whole cartoonyness of it all, the interface,all the dumbing down and hand-holding bluntly and entertainingly articulated by Dariuszp (and others over the past weeks).

The audience who would react to 'button awesome!' and the way it was said was immature.

The immaturity is eye-staggeringly blantant and shameless in this '18' game - because it's actually aimed at everyone under that age - so apart from simplification, sorry, streamlining - side-boobs are banned, sex is way toned-down, language is moderated - not that this would break the game, but it's all to prevent the parents from writing to congress. EA/BW are absolute hypocrites in regard to the rating of the game.

Nothing wrong with adults playing Mario or Pokemon, but the reason why the haters are angry is that they've had one of the few decent mature(ish) games taken away from them, mixed in the blander and the goo handed back for them to suck on.

And until Witcher 2 is released then myself and others who've been Bioware fans for longer and stronger than most DA2 lovers (who ratio about 3 in 10 looking at the Amazon UK reviews) (note I say most not all - but second childhood does sometimes set in early), will take out our frustration here in the hope that the weight of evidence will eventually sink in at EA and with Mike Laidlaw and we will be able to come back.

The weird thing is when I was a child and teenager I could spot this kind of immature guff a mile away and wanted nothing to do with it. If you're going to do a He Man film, don't launch from a base of Blade Runner fans.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 01 mai 2011 - 02:21 .

[LyndseyCousland]

Yxunomei wrote...


 Most of us loved Origins and Awakening..Bioware made another Epic game on a different setting (thedas) mind you apart from the forgotten realms which the community greatly accepted. I am getting tired of people whinning and complaining about why DA:2 is a complete bust etc., I am one of many that got really frustrated about the release of 1.01 patch for the xbox 360, but guys BIoware did delivered story-wise.  

People are welcome to voice their opinion. You don't really have the right to say what they should or shouldn't 'complain' about. Voice your own thoughts in a more polite manner, please.

For instance, give us all the good points of the story so we can know how you reached this decision.

[Pandaman102]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

For instance, give us all the good points of the story so we can know how you reached this decision.

Preferably in the spoilers section.

[PaulSX]

the story was ok, but far beyond the level that bioware should be. even the Orzammar plot in DAO is executed much better than whole DAII

[Merced652]

Yxunomei wrote...


 Most of us loved Origins and Awakening..Bioware made another Epic game on a different setting (thedas) mind you apart from the forgotten realms which the community greatly accepted. I am getting tired of people whinning and complaining about why DA:2 is a complete bust etc., I am one of many that got really frustrated about the release of 1.01 patch for the xbox 360, but guys BIoware did delivered story-wise.  

Completely subjective, much like everything else. Appealing to people to accept what you felt was a good story will get you nothing. I felt the story was horrible. If i had felt it were good, i would've probably accepted the terrible gameplay and retarded retcons. A good story is where you're artfully failroaded in to the story they want to tell you. The problem being nothing concerning da2 was done artfully and especially nothing concerning the story.

[Dragoonlordz]

Yxunomei wrote...


 Most of us loved Origins and Awakening..Bioware made another Epic game on a different setting (thedas) mind you apart from the forgotten realms which the community greatly accepted. I am getting tired of people whinning and complaining about why DA:2 is a complete bust etc., I am one of many that got really frustrated about the release of 1.01 patch for the xbox 360, but guys BIoware did delivered story-wise.  

No they didn't on both highlighted accounts and is dependant between each and every player how that applies. It is the reasons why some people hate it, basically if both those two highlighted comments were true noone on here would be as dissapointed but the fact is they delivered on niether for a lot of people here hence the criticism.