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[element eater]

this thread has gone to a weird place
any way I suspect its only a matter of time until video games use nudity in the same way other media such as film does.

[aliswann10]

People have the right to complain and others have the right to ignore or mock their complaints.

Modifié par aliswann10, 02 mai 2011 - 11:29 .

[Boiny Bunny]

I think that we can all safely conclude that, personal preferences aside, the current general view in the video game industry on nudity/sex in video games is utterly ridiculous, when compared to the view on extreme violence/actions of extreme violence.

This conclusion could actually be extended to other forms of media as well, particularly television and movies. Extreme violence is perfectly acceptable, but nudity is not. Want to show somebody's genitals in a movie? R 18+ (or outright banned). Want to show somebody's head getting sliced off then streams of blood shooting out all over the room? MA 15+. Maybe even M.

[RhythmlessNinja]

Yxunomei wrote...


 Most of us loved Origins and Awakening..Bioware made another Epic game on a different setting (thedas) mind you apart from the forgotten realms which the community greatly accepted. I am getting tired of people whinning and complaining about why DA:2 is a complete bust etc., I am one of many that got really frustrated about the release of 1.01 patch for the xbox 360, but guys BIoware did delivered story-wise.  

I enjoyed the game for what it was, but saying they delivered story wise is just so....wrong. Of all the things I did like, the story had my eye brow raised entire game. Especially zombie leliana (or however you spell her name). And the idol you find in deeproads? Total lost potential plot item. And the illusion of choice at the end pissed me off.

[Mad-Max90]

There is a thread for all of you who want more nudity and sex in this game, take your gross conversation there! Just kidding, I don't give a hoot so you guys can pollute(this thread), but back on topic, I hate when people complain about people who show real arguments about why they are pissed at this team for dragon age 2, then all they say is "I enjoy it so ummm deal with it" we don't care if you enjoy it frankly I'm happy somebody can enjoy it, but don't act like some of the people complaining are just doing so to be trolls, as far as this game goes the cons far outway the pros for right now and untill they fix it, which it's too late for the main game, we have to rely on dlc/expansions, it will remain that way. That's not even slamming whoever marketed this game, when you market something, at least in the USA, it's illegal to have false advertising, which lets face it, was literally all of the commercials and dev diaries, I'm actually surprised nobody tried to sue.

[Elhanan]

^ Well, at least the pseudonym fits; have a nice day!

[Mad-Max90]

^ look I'm glad you like the game, but what do you gain, from acting like such a ******, I'm not calling you one, just saying that by a lot of your previous posts, you come off as one, you give no insight to the actual discussion all you do is sit there apparently not reading anything except for if that poster doesn't like the game, then you just have the same comment over and over, you're like a spambot but worse

[Elhanan]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

^ look I'm glad you like the game, but what do you gain, from acting like such a ******, I'm not calling you one, just saying that by a lot of your previous posts, you come off as one, you give no insight to the actual discussion all you do is sit there apparently not reading anything except for if that poster doesn't like the game, then you just have the same comment over and over, you're like a spambot but worse

Have you actually taken the time to re-read your posts? Breathe? Switch to de-caf? Someone here likes to complain about people that complain over folks that complain (and I barely followed that). And it ain't me (I think; still confused).
 
Basically, folks do have a right to an informed opinion, and have the right to complain. Here in the US, we also have the right to remain silent. If the latter was chosen more often instead of the former, maybe I would not see the need to voice my equally valid opinion along with these others. But the forums are filling with more and more of possible Haters, and I simply wish to try and call them on it in my own adorable way. And I am not calling you a Hater; just saying....

And Spambot was already taken, so I chose Elhanan.

[Boiny Bunny]

Perhaps it would satisfy the majority if Bioware were to include a sex scene similar to Mass Effect (i.e. implied total nudity, but not actually showing anything), but put a parental lock on it (easy to implement with consoles as they come with inbuilt parental locks, with PCs, a lot more difficult). Obviously if the lock was turned on, the scene would just black out like Dragon Age 2 rather than show anything.

Whatever they do, it's a trade-off in immersion. For some players, the black out utterly destroys the immersion of the scene, for others, imagination is preferred. Similar to voiced player characters, in that respect.

[Mad-Max90]

Yeah adorable, did you ever stop and think why the forums are becoming more and more haters? It has to do with the game, buddy, people just might be pissed off at the game then voice there complaints, and if you had a valid argument against their claims, in many cases you don't, but that's ok, I wouldn't be mad at your posts, but the majority of them end the same dull way, " I played dragon age 2, I liked it, I don't know what you've been playing teeheehee derp" so no real argument there, and as I said in the USA you can't have false advertising, it's illegal, the marketing team for dragon age 2 riddled their advertisements with false statements about what the game was going to be like therefor selling more copies than they would have if they simply said in this game "you get to make only one actual choice and in the end it doesn't matter what you choose because we want you to do this anyway"

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Yeah adorable, did you ever stop and think why the forums are becoming more and more haters? It has to do with the game, buddy, people just might be pissed off at the game then voice there complaints, and if you had a valid argument against their claims, in many cases you don't, but that's ok, I wouldn't be mad at your posts, but the majority of them end the same dull way, " I played dragon age 2, I liked it, I don't know what you've been playing teeheehee derp" so no real argument there, and as I said in the USA you can't have false advertising, it's illegal, the marketing team for dragon age 2 riddled their advertisements with false statements about what the game was going to be like therefor selling more copies than they would have if they simply said in this game "you get to make only one actual choice and in the end it doesn't matter what you choose because we want you to do this anyway"

Er....by that logic ALL of the biggest developing studios (Including the overrated CD Project Red) should be sued out of business.

[Boiny Bunny]

Actually Mad-Max90, you'll find that most general consumer goods are treated in the courts with the principle of 'Caveat Emptor' - let the buyer beware. If you didn't do the correct amount of research and purchased the product, too bad. If on the other hand you purchased the product and the CD had a massive scratch on it, making it unplayable from the get-go, you'd be entitled to a refund/replacement.

There is a concept of 'reasonable consumer expectations' applied to products in the courts, however, such expectations are usually intangible and very hard to define for something like a videogame.

Insurance contracts on the other hand are based on the principle of 'Uberrima Fides' ~ utmost good faith. This means that due to an incredible information asymmetry on both ends of the contract, both parties must disclose all material relevant facts before the contract is offered or accepted. In insurance, and with most financial instruments in general, 'reasonable consumer expectations' are much more easily defined and applied in courts.

Bottom line: Their advertising was not in any way illegal. It simply made their product look better than it was - something that most advertisments are guilty of. Do you see young men suing Lynx because 20 incredibly attractive and half naked women do not attach themselves to the men after applying Lynx deodorant? Hehe...

[Mad-Max90]

False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading advertising. Truth in labeling refers to essentially the same concept, that customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label. Lynx never went on record saying hey if you use us ladies will chase you Beatles style across the globe, bioware did go on record stating something that clearly was not in their product

[Mad-Max90]

Howabout a massive bug in game that will not allow me to further my main story due to the writing desk not letting me?

[Merced652]

Wait, you didn't feel like the game shaped itself to every decision you made?

[Elhanan]

World's Best hamburger:

http://www.google.co...iw=1277&bih=639

Now unless I am mistaken, nearly all of those pics are taken at different locales. So who is lying and is guilty of false ads? Just a guess, but I think most are safe.

Some have a negative opinion of DA2; some don't. While I do not think it is the best burger, I am grateful for what I ordered, the service, and the forum in which to say it.

Now I am hungry. Time for low sodium pizza (tis better than it sounds)!

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 mai 2011 - 01:16 .

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Howabout a massive bug in game that will not allow me to further my main story due to the writing desk not letting me?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, didn't run into that particular crawler. When does it happen?

[Mad-Max90]

Right after the third act, I can't use the writing desk to get Orsino's quest started

[Elhanan]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Right after the third act, I can't use the writing desk to get Orsino's quest started

Uncertain, but another request has come before this in both my sessions.Perhaps that has to be completed first.

[Boiny Bunny]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising. As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading advertising. Truth in labeling refers to essentially the same concept, that customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label. Lynx never went on record saying hey if you use us ladies will chase you Beatles style across the globe, bioware did go on record stating something that clearly was not in their product

Nor do game producers make 'promises' about what will be in a game when you watch or read interviews with them.  You might have also noticed that whenever you see in-game footage it carries a disclaimer that it is not necessarily representative of the completed product.

But I am curious - to what exactly are you referring?  I'd be more than happy to have a discussion with you, if you let me know exactly what aspects of the game you feel that Bioware flat out lied about in their advertising?

[Persephone]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Right after the third act, I can't use the writing desk to get Orsino's quest started

Argh. That is frustrating. Do you have the Sig Edition? Sometimes companions come to your house for Puppy banter and that has to be done first before checking the writing desk. (No idea why. Some scripting thing, maybe?) Was there a companion in the house at this time? 

[Boiny Bunny]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Howabout a massive bug in game that will not allow me to further my main story due to the writing desk not letting me?

Bugs in software do not constitute 'lies in advertising'.  If the bugs are so bad that they render the game unplayable for a vast majority of consumers (which is definately not the case with Dragon Age 2), Bioware might have to either give refunds OR promise to rectify the issue via a patch - which they have been, and are continuing to do so.

[Mad-Max90]

Right after the third act stars, I can't use the writing desk to get Orsino's quest started after I do meredeth's, sorry if I'm a tad pissed I was sold a broken game that was not nearly like the one advertised, in a market economy that is grounds for a lawsuit, a silly one, but a lawsuit none the less. Don't read this and actually think I'm foolhardy enough to say I'm suing them over it, I'm just calling them out on it, to be honest I have no problem with bioware as a whole just this team is not all that trustworthy, and now I will be wary of them, I will not let my experiences with this team hinder the love I have for the rest of bioware.

[Mad-Max90]

Did I say a bug was going to get me a lawsuit or did you just imply it? Like I said actual false advertisement is worthy of a lawsuit, which like I said the games marketing was riddled with false advertising, I'm not saying I would win, but I am saying it is illegal, and now I do not trust this team.

[Boiny Bunny]

I too will be quite wary of Bioware games in the future, as I found Dragon Age 2 to be quite a letdown from their usual standards.

That said, I don't feel that the advertising lied to me. It simply made the product sound better than it actually is. I don't recall an ad stating that the game was 100% bug free and guaranteed to work on all systems at all times. I presume no software developer would ever be silly enough to offer such a guarantee. Bugs do happen, in high and low quality games/products. Most of the time, they are fixed via patches. Bioware are working right now to fix another wave of bugs as they are reported. If you want them to address the problem that you are having, make sure you visit the tech support forum and describe exactly what happens.