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#151
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Poor deluded wrongalite.  Liara is CANON. That is an objective FACT supported by irrefutable scientific evidence.  The real life Shepard made sexy time with Liara and used Kelly as a temporary bed warmer.

Hey, I think the Tali romance is the best and makes the most sense, but the FACTS are the FACTS. Liara romance is CANON. Out of my 6 Shepards my "personal canon" Shepard is an Sentinel paragon who romances Tali.  As a member of the superor canonite super race, I can still acknowledge that Liara is the real life Shepard's girl and that real life Shepard is a soldier renegon. I know this hurts you... but you have got to get over yourself and your distain for the fact that if your fake playthrough can't be canon that nothing can. How selfish of you. I guess misery loves company.


I'm curious as to where you're getting this? Default ME2 Shepard romanced Ashley in ME1 after all.

Default Shepard did not romance anyone. In case you people have forgotten romances are nothing more than optional sub-plots. They are not major components of the plot. the default Shepard had no romance. Ashley/Kaidan shakes your hand onHorizon then yells at you. Liara is friendly, but has no romance flags up. Default Shepard is not a renegade. He just made all the choices that would leave the least to carry over. Heck! How do we know default Shepard killed Wrex. Maybe since default Shepard was a rush then s/he was not able to convince Wrex to back down. No charm/intimidate.

There is no canon, and people are just trying to create threads that don't exist.

At most it can be considered the Shepard male soldier is as close to canon as it gets, but he is only a poster boy. His purpose to give an impression of who the game is about not saying, "You can only play as him or you're playing wrong."

Don't bring Dragon Age into this, because that game was obviously written with a canon,Obviously the original plan was to have a male Human noble romance Morigan, and have the God baby. Then the project designers decided they wanted to use an import function. Only now is the previous canon pointless. Now Dragon Age has no canon.They are trying to get rid of the canon events. This is a recent change. Obviously the first game had an idea of where the series would go with a set canon.

Mass Effect was not built to have a canon. The default Shepard in Xbox 360/PC only exists, because Bioware needed new players to be able to pick the game up and not be confused by a bunch of references from previous games. Liara is on the Normandy with you in the PS3 version, because she could not die in the previosu game, and the comic only plays after the intro.

The default Shepard no longer exists with the new comic system, and was only used to have a pre-built history for new players that had little carry over from the first game. The poster Shepard exists for advertisement, and to show off a better looking character. Why else use a model? They want a burly dude on the cover to attract the male consumer into thinking it is a "man's game." The man's game thing is the only reason female Shepard feels less like she was planned out. Bioware assumed the female character would be less important. This doesn't mean female Shepard is not important.

Look at the real clues. The comics, and books. Shepard's gender and choices are never openly discussed in these mediums. Everything is left for the reader to fill in with their own Shepard. Mass Effect was not built with a canon.

Ashley was advertised, because she looked good alongside Shepard as a strong female character. She was Bioware hinting at romance and sex scenes. Miranda was used for the same purpose in the second game.  A strong female character to support Shepard in advertisement. They were also typical female support roles. They fit the bill, and were only used for advertisement.

There is no canon romance. Get over it.

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Dante Angelo wrote...

There is no canon in Mass Effect. Didn't the Devs confirm this a while back. Although if there was a canon romance I'd have to say it was Ashley's


You: Image IPB"B-but the devs said..."

The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DEVS SAID!!!!!

The devs claimed that qunari were always supposed to be grey with horns. The devs claimed that Shale was developed from the ground up seperately from DA:O even though she is more integrated into the game than most of the non-DLC characters. The devs claim Zaeed was also an afterthought even though his concept art was the FIRST one they ever released. They are human. They lie. Why do they lie? Because people like you can't stand the fact that your female shepard garrus romance is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! COMPLETELY NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!! 

#153
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Darkhour wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

There is no canon in Mass Effect. Didn't the Devs confirm this a while back. Although if there was a canon romance I'd have to say it was Ashley's


You: Image IPB"B-but the devs said..."

The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DEVS SAID!!!!!

The devs claimed that qunari were always supposed to be grey with horns. The devs claimed that Shale was developed from the ground up seperately from DA:O even though she is more integrated into the game than most of the non-DLC characters. The devs claim Zaeed was also an afterthought even though his concept art was the FIRST one they ever released. They are human. They lie. Why do they lie? Because people like you can't stand the fact that your female shepard garrus romance is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! COMPLETELY NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!! 


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Did he, "establish your canon?"

Modifié par mrsph, 02 mai 2011 - 11:24 .


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Why should people even give a crap about what's canon?

My Shepards are as far away from canon as they can get, and I'm totally fine with that.

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Darkhour wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

There is no canon in Mass Effect. Didn't the Devs confirm this a while back. Although if there was a canon romance I'd have to say it was Ashley's


You: Image IPB"B-but the devs said..."

The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DEVS SAID!!!!!

The devs claimed that qunari were always supposed to be grey with horns. The devs claimed that Shale was developed from the ground up seperately from DA:O even though she is more integrated into the game than most of the non-DLC characters. The devs claim Zaeed was also an afterthought even though his concept art was the FIRST one they ever released. They are human. They lie. Why do they lie? Because people like you can't stand the fact that your female shepard garrus romance is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! COMPLETELY NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!! 

Umm you seem to be taking this wayyyyy too seriously BTW this may be somewhat off topic but who is the rock and is he really a rock. If not then thats false advertisment

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Dante Angelo wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

There is no canon in Mass Effect. Didn't the Devs confirm this a while back. Although if there was a canon romance I'd have to say it was Ashley's


You: Image IPB"B-but the devs said..."

The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DEVS SAID!!!!!

The devs claimed that qunari were always supposed to be grey with horns. The devs claimed that Shale was developed from the ground up seperately from DA:O even though she is more integrated into the game than most of the non-DLC characters. The devs claim Zaeed was also an afterthought even though his concept art was the FIRST one they ever released. They are human. They lie. Why do they lie? Because people like you can't stand the fact that your female shepard garrus romance is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! COMPLETELY NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!! 

Umm you seem to be taking this wayyyyy too seriously BTW this may be somewhat off topic but who is the rock and is he really a rock. If not then thats false advertisment


You been living underground since between 1996 and 2011, son? If not, I'd expect you to know who Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is. And if you're a wrestling fan... then shame on you.

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Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

There is no canon in Mass Effect. Didn't the Devs confirm this a while back. Although if there was a canon romance I'd have to say it was Ashley's


You: Image IPB"B-but the devs said..."

The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DEVS SAID!!!!!

The devs claimed that qunari were always supposed to be grey with horns. The devs claimed that Shale was developed from the ground up seperately from DA:O even though she is more integrated into the game than most of the non-DLC characters. The devs claim Zaeed was also an afterthought even though his concept art was the FIRST one they ever released. They are human. They lie. Why do they lie? Because people like you can't stand the fact that your female shepard garrus romance is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! COMPLETELY NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!! 

Umm you seem to be taking this wayyyyy too seriously BTW this may be somewhat off topic but who is the rock and is he really a rock. If not then thats false advertisment


You been living underground since between 1996 and 2011, son? If not, I'd expect you to know who Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is. And if you're a wrestling fan... then shame on you.

now that you mentioned his full name I know who he is.

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Dante Angelo wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

There is no canon in Mass Effect. Didn't the Devs confirm this a while back. Although if there was a canon romance I'd have to say it was Ashley's


You: Image IPB"B-but the devs said..."

The Rock: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DEVS SAID!!!!!

The devs claimed that qunari were always supposed to be grey with horns. The devs claimed that Shale was developed from the ground up seperately from DA:O even though she is more integrated into the game than most of the non-DLC characters. The devs claim Zaeed was also an afterthought even though his concept art was the FIRST one they ever released. They are human. They lie. Why do they lie? Because people like you can't stand the fact that your female shepard garrus romance is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!! COMPLETELY NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE!!!! 

Umm you seem to be taking this wayyyyy too seriously BTW this may be somewhat off topic but who is the rock and is he really a rock. If not then thats false advertisment


You been living underground since between 1996 and 2011, son? If not, I'd expect you to know who Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is. And if you're a wrestling fan... then shame on you.

now that you mentioned his full name I know who he is.


Good, because if you didn't I'd have to take you and drop you from a 20-foot ladder down onto two wooden tables stacked one on top of the other and set aflame, only for you to hit the concrete underneath.... and I don't want to have to do that.

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There is no shepard cannon, thats why they would have to set any other mass effect games before the main ME series.

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Um, well, isn't a canon technically a collection of works? So if your Shepard DID romance two different people in the 2 games, that's called a canon. That would make hmm....10 different canons so far? I think that the word 'canon' has been taken out of context here. Perhaps we're thinking of who's the most featured character to ever get into a relationship with Shepard? Yes, I would agree. Liara did get the most screen time.

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Liara getting screen time means nothing.

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Technically, Garrus and Tali get the most screentime.

Liara just got a DLC.

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Sigyn2011 wrote...

Um, well, isn't a canon technically a collection of works? So if your Shepard DID romance two different people in the 2 games, that's called a canon. That would make hmm....10 different canons so far? I think that the word 'canon' has been taken out of context here. Perhaps we're thinking of who's the most featured character to ever get into a relationship with Shepard? Yes, I would agree. Liara did get the most screen time.


"Canon" in this sense means "what is considered to be factual within a fictional universe".

For example, in Mass Effect, it is canon that humans discovered Prothean ruins on Mars. It is canon that the year those ruins were discovered in is 2148 CE.

Now for another example: It is canon, no matter what you do, that Commander Shepard was born in 2154 CE and enlisted in the Alliance Navy at the age of eighteen.

Now, this is where "canon" becomes less iron-clad and is more up to the player. Shepard's first name, gender, appearance, pre-service history and psychological profile are all decided by the player for each individual Shepard they make.
 They can go with the default options, yes, but those are placeholders and are not considered factual, because once you get into the story, what is canon for Shepard is up to you.

It is canon that no matter what you do, you recruit Liara because you have to advance the story that way. However, you do not have to travel to the mission worlds in any particular order, or use any particular squadmate. 

It is canon that the Battle of the Citadel happens and that Sovereign loses, but what happens to the Council afterward is up to the player; the default options in ME2 are not so much canonical as they are simply placeholders used to set up those Shepards that are created in ME2 and not carried over from ME1.

See what I mean?

Modifié par Urdnot Orrad, 02 mai 2011 - 11:54 .


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Gotcha. Sorry--I'm too much of a language geek.

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You know what. I quit. There is no point in arguing this. Nobody is changing their opinion, and most people don't care to listen to anyone other than themselves. I will say that I have taken a moment to rethink this.

There is only one pre-set canon I can think of. Shepard survives the Suicide Mission. A dead Shepard is ignored, and considered wrong. If Bioware does feel the need to go into the future, and establish some canon then it will feel like another dead Shepard. A pointless variable.

Bioware has managed to be ambiguous before, and I can see a series of games taking place after Shepard's story working without a canon. We just play the interactive comic, and make whichever choices effect the galaxy as a whole. Although I will say this. If there is a canon. It will be something along the lines of the council lived/died. the krogan's were cured/remain infected. Not Shepard was a soldier who banged such and such. If a canon is ever made nobody will give a damn who Shepard banged. the romances are just sub-plots. They won't get any mention in any forced canon which I hope never happens. Perhaps a new group. A "I support no canon in future Mass Effect games/media."

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pmac_tk421 wrote...

There is no shepard cannon, thats why they would have to set any other mass effect games before the main ME series.


Why couldn't a future ME title take place in the distant future?  300 years later? People who imported can play as Liara's daughter or Wrex's son.

On another note,

List of confirmed ME1 canon:

Shepard was Male (of course)
Shepard was a Soldier (since he's male)
Shepard was a Colonist
Shepard was a War Hero (hence, a male)
Shepard romanced Liara
Shepard was a Renegon
Shepard's journey took him first to Feros, then Therum, then Virmire and finally Noveria. (in that order)
The colonists were saved
Kaidan bit the dust
The Rachni Queen was spared
The Council survived
Anderson became the human representative.

THESE ARE FACTS, PEOPLE.


 

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Not a bad idea, I fully support the Thanix Cannons as love interests in ME3.

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Rurik_Niall wrote...

Not a bad idea, I fully support the Thanix Cannons as love interests in ME3.


I love that gun.  I love that gun so hard.  If I had to choose between the lives of half of my squad and the Thanix Cannons...  I would choose the Thanix.  I didn't upgrade my ship's guns or armor in my first playthrough... so when I beat it a second time, with the fully upgraded Normandy...with those two BEAUTIFUL, SEXY, MARVELOUS shining cannons...

Well.  Lets not get into spoilers here.  But if I could.  I would have little Thanix babies.

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Darkhour wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

There is no shepard cannon, thats why they would have to set any other mass effect games before the main ME series.


Why couldn't a future ME title take place in the distant future?  300 years later? People who imported can play as Liara's daughter or Wrex's son.

On another note,

List of confirmed ME1 canon:

Shepard was Male (of course)
Shepard was a Soldier (since he's male)
Shepard was a Colonist
Shepard was a War Hero (hence, a male)
Shepard romanced Liara
Shepard was a Renegon
Shepard's journey took him first to Feros, then Therum, then Virmire and finally Noveria. (in that order)
The colonists were saved
Kaidan bit the dust
The Rachni Queen was spared
The Council survived
Anderson became the human representative.

THESE ARE FACTS, PEOPLE.


 

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Eiliestl wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

There is no shepard cannon, thats why they would have to set any other mass effect games before the main ME series.


Why couldn't a future ME title take place in the distant future?  300 years later? People who imported can play as Liara's daughter or Wrex's son.

On another note,

List of confirmed ME1 canon:

Shepard was Male (of course)
Shepard was a Soldier (since he's male)
Shepard was a Colonist
Shepard was a War Hero (hence, a male)
Shepard romanced Liara
Shepard was a Renegon
Shepard's journey took him first to Feros, then Therum, then Virmire and finally Noveria. (in that order)
The colonists were saved
Kaidan bit the dust
The Rachni Queen was spared
The Council survived
Anderson became the human representative.

THESE ARE FACTS, PEOPLE.


 


I see no facts here.


Since you are clearly a wrongalite, you are wrong.

Hence, they must be FACTS. I think I've proved my case. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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There is no canon love interest. Each Shepard is different and etc. etc.

Now that thats out of the way, yeah I'm pretty sure it'd be Liara.

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Darkhour wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

There is no shepard cannon, thats why they would have to set any other mass effect games before the main ME series.


Why couldn't a future ME title take place in the distant future?  300 years later? People who imported can play as Liara's daughter or Wrex's son.

On another note,

List of confirmed ME1 canon:

Shepard was Male (of course)
Shepard was a Soldier (since he's male)
Shepard was a Colonist
Shepard was a War Hero (hence, a male)
Shepard romanced Liara
Shepard was a Renegon
Shepard's journey took him first to Feros, then Therum, then Virmire and finally Noveria. (in that order)
The colonists were saved
Kaidan bit the dust
The Rachni Queen was spared
The Council survived
Anderson became the human representative.

THESE ARE FACTS, PEOPLE.


 


I see no facts here.


Since you are clearly a wrongalite, you are wrong.

Hence, they must be FACTS. I think I've proved my case. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I can think of another place were you can stick that pipe...

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Sadly, I agree. I feel like they kinda wanted you to go with Liara in ME1, and they keep shoving her down your throat even afterward. They overrate her.

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Eiliestl wrote...
I can think of another place were you can stick that pipe...



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