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#176
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Urdnot Orrad wrote...

"Canon" in this sense means "what is considered to be factual within a fictional universe".

For example, in Mass Effect, it is canon that humans discovered Prothean ruins on Mars. It is canon that the year those ruins were discovered in is 2148 CE.

Now for another example: It is canon, no matter what you do, that Commander Shepard was born in 2154 CE and enlisted in the Alliance Navy at the age of eighteen.

Now, this is where "canon" becomes less iron-clad and is more up to the player. Shepard's first name, gender, appearance, pre-service history and psychological profile are all decided by the player for each individual Shepard they make.
 They can go with the default options, yes, but those are placeholders and are not considered factual, because once you get into the story, what is canon for Shepard is up to you.

It is canon that no matter what you do, you recruit Liara because you have to advance the story that way. However, you do not have to travel to the mission worlds in any particular order, or use any particular squadmate. 

It is canon that the Battle of the Citadel happens and that Sovereign loses, but what happens to the Council afterward is up to the player; the default options in ME2 are not so much canonical as they are simply placeholders used to set up those Shepards that are created in ME2 and not carried over from ME1.

See what I mean?


Everyone read this post: it is exactly the answer to this question.

'Canon' consists only of things that happen in everyone's game (such as Shepard becoming a Spectre in ME1). Canon does not include anything that does not happen in everyone's game (such as any romance).

Simple, easy to remember.

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The only Canon that matters is my canon and in my canon HE was in love with Ashley, however when he ran into she could not get over that fact I was accompanied by Cerberus and My shep could not get over that. He then found something in Jack and they changed each other. What happens next me and Casey Hudson know, but I look forward to the Jack/ Ashley meeting.

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Phategod1 wrote...

The only Canon that matters is my canon and in my canon HE was in love with Ashley, however when he ran into she could not get over that fact I was accompanied by Cerberus and My shep could not get over that. He then found something in Jack and they changed each other. What happens next me and Casey Hudson know, but I look forward to the Jack/ Ashley meeting.

It will get real ugly really fast.Image IPB

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Edi!

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Mesina2 wrote...

There's NO canon in Mass Effect.


Actually there has to be for future Mass Effect games. Outside the Trilogy.

Modifié par Maj.Pain007, 03 mai 2011 - 07:25 .


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Liara does indeed seem to be the preferred/default/canon LI, based on plot relevance. A couple of BioWare games appear to do this, although in varying severity. DAO, for example, had Alistair and Morrigan in this position.

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The-Illusive wrote
Why BW says that there is no canon is because all fans would just get
upset and say "Why is Ashley the canon LI and not Tali? Is it b/c she
is an alien? YOU BIOWARE ARE ALL RACISTS!!!"

:blink:

So there is no canon. But Ash is a racist because the Ash-haters wants her to be a racist. So Bioware is racist. So the hole game is only developt by and to racist. All our Sheps and weself are racists. Got it, finally.:o

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Phategod1 wrote...

The only Canon that matters is my canon and in my canon HE was in love with Ashley, however when he ran into she could not get over that fact I was accompanied by Cerberus and My shep could not get over that. He then found something in Jack and they changed each other. What happens next me and Casey Hudson know, but I look forward to the Jack/ Ashley meeting.


You don't have a canon, wrongalite. Your playthrough is invalid and does not reflect what the real Shepard did in real life.

See everyone. It's just as I said. The wrongalites can't stand the fact that their false choices have no reality. If their non-canon playthroughs can't be canon they don't want there to be any canon. Their sor grapes know no bounds. Imagine all the various false playthroughs. And now imagine them all claiming to be valid. Chaos! Anarchy!

We, the Canonite super race, must bring order to this chaos. We must spread the message of Canonity and destroy all who oppose the Truth. The Canon demands it!!!

#184
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hi to Darkhour, a strange whatever from an even stranger parallel-universe...

#185
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Liara was mine in the first game. Then I hooked up with Miranda. For number 3 I'm not sure who I want to stick with.

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1Minsc1 wrote...

hi to Darkhour, a strange whatever from an even stranger parallel-universe...


There is only one canon universe and I am its prophet!!!

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I think it's stupid to have a canon anything. I mean there are a lot of female ME gamers who are straight and don't do the Liara thing. I doubt there's a canon but bringing the VS back as a full squad member means something. I'm sure Bioware keeps track.

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Darkhour wrote...

1Minsc1 wrote...

hi to Darkhour, a strange whatever from an even stranger parallel-universe...


There is only one canon universe and I am its prophet!!!


The arcana is the means by which all is revealed. Only courage in the
face of doubt can lead one to the answer.

#189
1Minsc1

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@darkhour

we are trying to find a consesus
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we are trying to find a consesus
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you revelation is ... not accetable

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sevalaricgirl wrote...

I think it's stupid to have a canon anything. I mean there are a lot of female ME gamers who are straight and don't do the Liara thing. I doubt there's a canon but bringing the VS back as a full squad member means something. I'm sure Bioware keeps track.


There is no female Shepard. Women lack the upper body strength to be heroes so there is no need to worry about a "lesbian femshep".

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JBONE27 wrote...

Who do you guys think is the cannon love interest.  I'm reasonably certain that it's Liara for the following 5 reasons.
1.  She cannot die.
2.  She's arguably the most intelligent of the potential LI (Tali and Mirranda might also qualify)
3.  She was the one who... damnit I can't spoil it... but she did something very important for Shepard.
4.  She is the only LI from the first game who greets Shepard warmly in the second.  I hope this doesn't count as a spoiler.
5.  A certain video released by Bioware involving the PS3 opening comic.


Cannon LI?! You can make sweet sweet love to the Thanix cannon?!  No wonder Garrus is always doing calibrations in there - THAT TURIAN ****!!!!

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Darkhour wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I think it's stupid to have a canon anything. I mean there are a lot of female ME gamers who are straight and don't do the Liara thing. I doubt there's a canon but bringing the VS back as a full squad member means something. I'm sure Bioware keeps track.


There is no female Shepard. Women lack the upper body strength to be heroes so there is no need to worry about a "lesbian femshep".



Ever watch Top Shot.  Don't tell me that women can't shoot guns.  That's just ridiculous especially since I was trained to shoot pistols and shotguns at 13.

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sevalaricgirl wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I think it's stupid to have a canon anything. I mean there are a lot of female ME gamers who are straight and don't do the Liara thing. I doubt there's a canon but bringing the VS back as a full squad member means something. I'm sure Bioware keeps track.


There is no female Shepard. Women lack the upper body strength to be heroes so there is no need to worry about a "lesbian femshep".



Ever watch Top Shot.  Don't tell me that women can't shoot guns.  That's just ridiculous especially since I was trained to shoot pistols and shotguns at 13.


A toddler can shoot a gun too. So can a chimpanzee. And of course women can shoot guns. But be a better warrior than a man? No way. A woman being Earth's greatest warrior is laughable. Maybe a very powerful adept.. maybe. But with their uncontrolled emotions a woman biotic would probably be a bigger danger to herself.

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Stop feeding the trolls.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Stop feeding the trolls.


You're right.  I should not feed the trolls. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the Truth of the Canon must be a troll.

I win.