Hey, i'm doing my first playthrough on Dragon Age: Origins. Simply put: i suck at the combat. I started playing on normal, but after the part where the undead attack the city and you need to defend it (redcliffe) the game became really hard and i was being killed by random encounters with few enemies. I'm playing on easy now, but it's too damn easy! I can just go rambo and just click click click till it dies. Easy is too easy and Normal is too hard. So i'm here to ask you if you can give me some tips to get better at the combat. Also, is it better to use tactics or manually give orders?
Need help with combat!
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amtvcjca
, avril 30 2011 11:51
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 01:40
TheBigMatt90
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Using tactics takes the strain off you, there are plenty of places on here or google that have great tactic guides. That's probably why you are getting beat so easily if you don't have them set properly.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 08:31
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Well, if you phrase it like that... it is definitely better to manually give orders.amtvcjca wrote...
Also, is it better to use tactics or manually give orders?
But only if:
a) you're playing on PC and don't have to worry about pseudo-pausing / the UI getting in the way
you are familiar with the spells and skills (but well, you will need to learn that anyway)c) you are willing to spend the micromanagement effort involved
No set of tactic rules, no matter how canny or sophisticated, will have your party perform at the level that you can reach by full manual management. Tactics are meant to support you and can reduce the amount of micromanagement for you. Nothing more, nothing less.
But if the question is "How can I get the most combat awesomeness out of my party?", then the answer is definitely "Turn off the AI and steer them for every step." The orders you give manually are potentially faster, definitely more situational, and ensure that you use the full range of abilities your charas have. I tried to run half tactics, half manual during the first few hours of the game, but soon I got very frustrated with the rule enforced stupidity and took full control myself.
Never want to go back. But then again, I also invested the time and learned about the skills, combat mechanics, which spells stack, enemy weaknesses, threat logic etc. If you want that, the dragon age wiki is your best friend.
Modifié par digi_ronin, 30 avril 2011 - 08:48 .
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Posté 01 mai 2011 - 05:20
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I would second digi_ronin's comments. I play on hard and turn off the tactics altogether for every character. IMO figuring out how to set the tactics AI thing well enough to stop your characters getting themselves killed all the time, or indeed killing each other, is probably more difficult and time consuming than learning how to play a party yourself in combat and developing your own style although I admit I haven't really bothered to try. Secondly the enjoyment you get from pulling off your own moves must beat watching an AI do it hands down.
The biggest thing to learn IMO is how to use magic in various tactical situations. Magic is incredibly powerful in these games if used well. It does take time to learn however. The important thing is that weakening, incapcitating, immobilizing and horrifying enemies is just as important as frying, freezing or electrocuting them.
If you are unsure of the magic system I would start a game as a mage character and team up with Morrigan, Alistair and Lelliana to try things out. You will be amazed at what two mages can do. Here's a couple of examples I use to think about trying (if you don't know them already of course):
Sometimes you get attacked from two or more directions at once, i.e. surrounded. get you two melee characters to face up the enemy and take the aggro (i.e. mages do nothing) untill they have closed in. Then cast sleep on them but make sure the fighters stop hitting them or they will wake up. Choose a suitable defensive location and move you whole party there. Then cast whatever area of effect spells you have on the helpless attackers. Position your mages to cone of cold them as they stagger out of the carnage and have your melee fighters polish them off.
Sometimes you walk down a tunnel and see a large cavern in front of you, Have Lelianna (or whatever rogue you use) sneak in to scope out the opposition. Choose ma suitable group and have Lelianna shoot one with her bow, then run back into the entrance tunnel. The enemy will persue her, Have one mage cast earthquake just as Lelianna is reaching safety (so she doesn't get casught by it) positioned so that the entrnace to the tunnel is protected. Have you second mage start either Inferno, Blizzard of Tempest. As soon as the Earthquake is down, have your first mage place a fireball to knock the front line of persuers back into the killing zone. If you have it add a second AoE but remember Blizzard and Inferno cancel each other out, but Tempest + Inferno or Tempest + Bizzard is very good. Sit back and listen to the screams while picking off a few with ranged weapons/target spells.
Sometimes, as in the first Redcliffe darkspawn battle, you have a lot of allies mixed up with the enemy, and this makes things more difficult as your mages will have friendly fire problems. Two spells that work very well in these situations early in the game are Mind Blast and Cone of Cold. If you Mind Blast a group of enemies then again you can have your melee fighters scoot out of the way while you mages Cone of Cold them, then pile back in to do as much damage as possible whilst they are frozen, You can also usually find opportunities to freeze a whole line of enemies if you keep mobile, but this requires carefull positioning to avoid freezing your own side as well, which is the reason I advocate turning off the tactics AI thing.
The biggest thing to learn IMO is how to use magic in various tactical situations. Magic is incredibly powerful in these games if used well. It does take time to learn however. The important thing is that weakening, incapcitating, immobilizing and horrifying enemies is just as important as frying, freezing or electrocuting them.
If you are unsure of the magic system I would start a game as a mage character and team up with Morrigan, Alistair and Lelliana to try things out. You will be amazed at what two mages can do. Here's a couple of examples I use to think about trying (if you don't know them already of course):
Sometimes you get attacked from two or more directions at once, i.e. surrounded. get you two melee characters to face up the enemy and take the aggro (i.e. mages do nothing) untill they have closed in. Then cast sleep on them but make sure the fighters stop hitting them or they will wake up. Choose a suitable defensive location and move you whole party there. Then cast whatever area of effect spells you have on the helpless attackers. Position your mages to cone of cold them as they stagger out of the carnage and have your melee fighters polish them off.
Sometimes you walk down a tunnel and see a large cavern in front of you, Have Lelianna (or whatever rogue you use) sneak in to scope out the opposition. Choose ma suitable group and have Lelianna shoot one with her bow, then run back into the entrance tunnel. The enemy will persue her, Have one mage cast earthquake just as Lelianna is reaching safety (so she doesn't get casught by it) positioned so that the entrnace to the tunnel is protected. Have you second mage start either Inferno, Blizzard of Tempest. As soon as the Earthquake is down, have your first mage place a fireball to knock the front line of persuers back into the killing zone. If you have it add a second AoE but remember Blizzard and Inferno cancel each other out, but Tempest + Inferno or Tempest + Bizzard is very good. Sit back and listen to the screams while picking off a few with ranged weapons/target spells.
Sometimes, as in the first Redcliffe darkspawn battle, you have a lot of allies mixed up with the enemy, and this makes things more difficult as your mages will have friendly fire problems. Two spells that work very well in these situations early in the game are Mind Blast and Cone of Cold. If you Mind Blast a group of enemies then again you can have your melee fighters scoot out of the way while you mages Cone of Cold them, then pile back in to do as much damage as possible whilst they are frozen, You can also usually find opportunities to freeze a whole line of enemies if you keep mobile, but this requires carefull positioning to avoid freezing your own side as well, which is the reason I advocate turning off the tactics AI thing.
Modifié par Gregor55, 01 mai 2011 - 05:32 .
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 04:58
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To start with...
What is your party composition?
Which talents and spells do you use?
What is your party composition?
Which talents and spells do you use?
