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[Shadowrun1177]

MisterJB wrote...

Saren was a turian and his trial was not on Palaven. Only the Council has authority over Spectres, if Shepard is being judged by an Alliance court, then he is no longer a Spectre.
Besides, Saren lost his status for much less than what Shepard did.

Your assuming Shepard has had his/her Spectre status revoked, which is not a fact. 

[MisterJB]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Saren was a turian and his trial was not on Palaven. Only the Council has authority over Spectres, if Shepard is being judged by an Alliance court, then he is no longer a Spectre.
Besides, Saren lost his status for much less than what Shepard did.

Your assuming Shepard has had his/her Spectre status revoked, which is not a fact. 

Because it's the most logical conclusion. If I see a person spending 10 minutes underwater, I will assume said person died.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 avril 2011 - 07:58 .

[AresXX7]

daqs wrote...

Um, why would a staff officer [Alenko] outrank a line officer [Shepard] of the same grade - especially when the line officer has an earlier date of rank?

Kaidan was promoted to full Commander, Shepard was only a Lieutenant Commander.

[Hepzi3]

Shepard gets sentenced to death after the Reapers are beaten? Only solution I can think of that would pacify the Batarians.... Or a suspended sentences of like 80 years in a batarian labor camp.....cant think of anything else! Well,saving the Batarians from certain death at the hands of the Reapers OUGHT to be enough.....but this is a race thats absolutely ridiculous and flies in the face of all logic whenever possible.

Either way,at trial Shepard (Paragon and Renegade) should have hundreds of people willing to testify for him, but as MisterJB pointed out,thats probably still not enough,as, it is a kangaroo court.

[Shadowrun1177]

MisterJB wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Saren was a turian and his trial was not on Palaven. Only the Council has authority over Spectres, if Shepard is being judged by an Alliance court, then he is no longer a Spectre.
Besides, Saren lost his status for much less than what Shepard did.

Your assuming Shepard has had his/her Spectre status revoked, which is not a fact. 

Because it's the most logical conclusion. If I see a person spending 10 minutes underwater, I will assume said person died.

Still your making assumptions which doesn't make it a fact. So until stated by Bioware as otherwise I will say Shepard may have his/her Spectre status if you took reinstatement during ME2.

[Alpha-Centuri]

MisterJB wrote...


And so Shepard will have to figth Alliance Soldiers, Batarians, Reapers, Husks and Cerberus.

Shep against the world! I like it. Paragons will have a fit 

daqs wrote...

Um, why would a staff officer [Alenko] outrank a line officer [Shepard] of the same grade - especially when the line officer has an earlier date of rank?

I'm a little confused by your question. I'll just respond that even if Alenko has been commander longer, they would still be equal, rather than Alenko being superior (which he is, as of now in terms of the Alliance).

I think you have the ranks a little mixed up.
From the codex:

In order of lowest to highest rank

2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral[/list]


edit: Sorry AriesXX7, didn't notice that you answered it 

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 30 avril 2011 - 08:10 .

[MisterJB]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

MisterJB wrote...


And so Shepard will have to figth Alliance Soldiers, Batarians, Reapers, Husks and Cerberus.

Shep against the world! I like it. Paragons will have a fit 

Just for the record, I'm a Paragon and I'm perfectly ok with it. I never trusted the Alliance.

[Amagoi]

I feel the same. I'm kind of anti-Alliance no matter what. I think it's just because I'm bitter about Hacket needing Shepard to fix EVERYTHING. Seriously, the Alliance has nobody that can do any of this stuff? C'mon now.

[Alpha-Centuri]

MisterJB wrote...

Just for the record, I'm a Paragon and I'm perfectly ok with it. I never trusted the Alliance.

Shhhh! You're going to attract Extremeone! 

[Someone With Mass]

Commander is just fine with me. Everyone seems to throw the ranks out the window, anyway. Even Anderson picks up a rifle in ME3.

[DPSSOC]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

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Sheperd is walking through the docking station, getting ready to leave, with Hackett, and VS walking beside him. 

Hackett: "Sheperd, Alliance Command believes it best to send a personal envoy to meet with the council races. They are making their own preparations, and if its disjointed, we both know we won't have a shot at stopping the Reapers. You're our best bet to get them to see reason. We're assigning Alenko/Williams to your ship detail. Alliance HQ has recognized your service to the Alliance, and I've been authorized to grant you a field promotion to Captain."

Ok long standing ****** off for me feel free to skip to the next paragraph.  Shepard can never, ever, become a Captain.  Why you ask, because Shepard is groundforces rather than navy.  They answer to the same command structure but they have different ranks.  Shepard was never a serviceman for example he/she was a Private 2nd & 1st class (Serviceman 3rd and 2nd) and then a Corporal (Serviceman 1st class).  If Shepard were to be promoted 2 ranks he would be a Major.

Now that I've vented about that I like the idea of Shepard getting a promotion and while I'd settle for Staff Commander (keep it simple so I can still be called Commander) I kind of hope that we'll get a 3 rank jump and I'll be made General Shepard.  Who doesn't love the sound of that.  General Shepard, maybe they'll give me one of those hats.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Saren was a turian and his trial was not on Palaven. Only the Council has authority over Spectres, if Shepard is being judged by an Alliance court, then he is no longer a Spectre.
Besides, Saren lost his status for much less than what Shepard did.

Your assuming Shepard has had his/her Spectre status revoked, which is not a fact. 

Even if you are still a Spectre, your reinstatement was more symbolic, the Council/Anderson said it themselves.

There were 2 stipulations...

1. Keep a low profile
2. Do what you do, and keep it in the Terminus Systems


In Arrival, we obeyed rule 2, but not 1. It was at the behest of Hackett, but he had stipulations as well

Hackett's rule:

1. Keep a low profile
2. Go in alone/Be discreet

He said if you can't do that, don't go in at all. (Literally. He said if you are going to make a ruckus, don't go).

This time, we broke both of em.

The council isn't going to protect us this time. We are Spectres on paper, but thats about it.

[Alpha-Centuri]

DPSSOC wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

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Sheperd is walking through the docking station, getting ready to leave, with Hackett, and VS walking beside him. 

Hackett: "Sheperd, Alliance Command believes it best to send a personal envoy to meet with the council races. They are making their own preparations, and if its disjointed, we both know we won't have a shot at stopping the Reapers. You're our best bet to get them to see reason. We're assigning Alenko/Williams to your ship detail. Alliance HQ has recognized your service to the Alliance, and I've been authorized to grant you a field promotion to Captain."

Ok long standing ****** off for me feel free to skip to the next paragraph.  Shepard can never, ever, become a Captain.  If Shepard were to be promoted 2 ranks he would be a Major.

My apologies. You're right I believe. But how does that explain Captain Anderson, who's actual rank was Captain? He was a N7 marine.

It's clear that it wasn't colloquial use, because when he loses the Normandy, he is still Captain. I think you are right, but if you could explain that to me, I'd be most appreciative.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 30 avril 2011 - 08:35 .

[Shadowrun1177]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Even if you are still a Spectre, your reinstatement was more symbolic, the Council/Anderson said it themselves.

There were 2 stipulations...

1. Keep a low profile
2. Do what you do, and keep it in the Terminus Systems


In Arrival, we obeyed rule 2, but not 1. It was at the behest of Hackett, but he had stipulations as well

Hackett's rule:

1. Keep a low profile
2. Go in alone/Be discreet

He said if you can't do that, don't go in at all. (Literally. He said if you are going to make a ruckus, don't go).

This time, we broke both of em.

The council isn't going to protect us this time. We are Spectres on paper, but thats about it.

Well that wasn't the point of my debate about the Spectre status. MisterJB is stating it as fact that Shepard has had his/her Spectre status revoked in ME 3 when Bioware hasn't said that Shepards Spectre status was revoked. So unless stated otherwise by Bioware Shepard is still a Spectre if reinstatement was accepted in ME2 even if only on paper. 

[MisterJB]

Spectres can't be judged by anyone but the Council. If Shepard is being judged by the Alliance at the beginning of ME3 then, logically, he can't be a Spectre.

[DPSSOC]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...
My apologies. You're right I believe. But how does that explain Captain Anderson, who's actual rank was Captain? He was a N7 marine.

It's clear that it wasn't colloquial use, because when he loses the Normandy, he is still Captain. I think you are right, but if you could explain that to me, I'd be most appreciative.

No need to apologize it's just a minor irritant that's been building up since people started speculating about ME2 (and whether we'd get a promotion).  So long time coming.

As for Anderson I don't really know.  Maybe because they both answer to the same command structure (as opposed to Army and Navy or Army and Air Force) one can transfer between them while maintaining rank?  Meaning he was an N7 marine but decided he didn't want to at some point (tired of watching friends die, getting shot, etc.) so he transferred from ground forces to navy.

Or it could just be one of those ideas Bioware didn't think all the way through (these things happen).

Bioware 1: Ok so we'll have a kind of mentor character who'll start out as Shepard's CO on the Normandy
Bioware 2: Ok then Captain Anderson
B1: And we'll want the player to feel a connection with him so we'll have him be a former Spectre candidate himself
B2: Ok
B1: And an N7 Marine
B2: Sounds good
Bioware 3: Wait don't ground forces and navy have ...
B1 & B2: Shut up Gregory.

[Shadowrun1177]

MisterJB wrote...

Spectres can't be judged by anyone but the Council. If Shepard is being judged by the Alliance at the beginning of ME3 then, logically, he can't be a Spectre.

The end of Arrival made it sound like it was expected of Shepard to go to Earth voluntarily at least to me, but anyways it hasn't been stated as fact that Shepard has been stripped of Spectre status by the Council so that doesn't change that your assuming he/she has been.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 30 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[AresXX7]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

-----------------------------------
Sheperd is walking through the docking station, getting ready to leave, with Hackett, and VS walking beside him. 

Hackett: "Sheperd, Alliance Command believes it best to send a personal envoy to meet with the council races. They are making their own preparations, and if its disjointed, we both know we won't have a shot at stopping the Reapers. You're our best bet to get them to see reason. We're assigning Alenko/Williams to your ship detail. Alliance HQ has recognized your service to the Alliance, and I've been authorized to grant you a field promotion to Captain."

Ok long standing ****** off for me feel free to skip to the next paragraph.  Shepard can never, ever, become a Captain.  If Shepard were to be promoted 2 ranks he would be a Major.

My apologies. You're right I believe. But how does that explain Captain Anderson, who's actual rank was Captain? He was a N7 marine.

It's clear that it wasn't colloquial use, because when he loses the Normandy, he is still Captain. I think you are right, but if you could explain that to me, I'd be most appreciative.

I was wondering about that too, perhaps this can shed some light on it.

From the Codex:

The divide between naval personnel and ground forces ("marines") is small. Ground units are a specialized branch of the fleet, just as fighter squadrons are. This unity of command is imposed by the futility of fighting without control of orbit; without the navy, any army is pointless. The marines, as a matter of pride, maintain some of their traditional rank titles; for example, marines have Privates and Corporals instead of Servicemen.

It would explain Ash's rank title (Gunnery/Operations Chief, as well as her grandfather's-General), since niether served aboard a ship,  but it still leaves me wondering about Jenkins (Corporal).

Modifié par AriesXX7, 30 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[ADLegend21]

She's a Spectre, she doesn't need a promotion, unless it's to supreme overlord of the Galaxy. xD

[Destroy Raiden_]

Being called Captain Shepard isn't the same as Commander Shepard I'm so use to hearing Commander and when Called Captain by the Quarians felt strange. For me I don't see myself or mysheps as Captain anything sure they run the ship but sheps primary job is on the ground shooting things so Commander to me anyway fits this role where Captains don't really get their boots on the ground and down in the trenches Captains are above that they sit in their offices or give orders via off the front lines I feel shep relates best to his crew as Commander not Captain. So I would refuse the promotion if offered I want to be on level with my crew not be above them.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 30 avril 2011 - 09:18 .

[Raiil]

I do have one question: what if you don't do the mission at all? My vanguard did it, and it left such a bad taste in my mouth that my adept's pretty much going to be uhhh, can't bring my crew, I'm not going at all. How would we be held accountable? I can see Alliance getting steam from the batarians since humans were involved, but how are they going to hold Shep responsible? Unless there's going to be a handwave 'you blew up the batarians and then completely forgot.'

[Destroy Raiden_]

BW will assume you did play arrival and so you killed them all anyway it was just a matter of did you try to warn the colony or not. Something as big as blowing up a star system can't be ignored for story sake.

[Alpha-Centuri]

So, as I gather... You get promoted to O-5 without serving on a ship, you become a Major. You get promoted to O-5 while serving on a ship, you become a Captain? I'm confuzzed.

As of now, its pretty ambiguous, so i'd err on the side that says Shepard could be a Captain. S'all good though, it was just a suggestion. I agree that him being promoted to Staff Commander would be best, as you maintain the iconic commander title, and avoid this (oh i hate this word) potential plothole.

Destroy Raiden wrote...

 So I would refuse the promotion if offered I want to be on level with my crew not be above them.

In my title post, I mentioned that Alenko is now a higher rank then you (unless you killed him). That's the main crux of my post, while it would also recognize Shepard's service to humanity.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 30 avril 2011 - 09:25 .

[Someone With Mass]

May I ask why Shepard needs a promotion, other than to outshine other people?

He might actually be demoted for everything he did.