Foolsfolly wrote...
So the Deep Roads extended into Par Vollen (and/or father in the Qunari realm) OR the Qunari were hidden somewhere in Thedas.
Still odd that they didn't know what a Blight was.
hoorayforicecream wrote...
Foolsfolly wrote...
So the Deep Roads extended into Par Vollen (and/or father in the Qunari realm) OR the Qunari were hidden somewhere in Thedas.
Still odd that they didn't know what a Blight was.
There's also the possibility that Thedas isn't the entirety of the world. If you look at the map of Thedas, there's still a lot of land that hasn't been mapped. What's west of Orlais? North of the Anderfels? North of Par Vollen? East of the ocean?
Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Well the Codex does say flat out that there must be other places.
David Gaider wrote...
Since this question arises again, a few points:
1) The Ogres look akin to the way we originally intended the Qunari to look. It was the Qunari who initially changed, not the Ogres. The new Qunari appearance is, in fact, closer to our original vision for them.
2) The "allies" I referred to way back in the day are ghouls. Ogres are not ghouls.
3) Ogres have indeed appeared in previous Blights, prior to the arrival of the Qunari at Par Vollen. This is not a mistake. I am not, however, going to give you the answer that explains this-- yet. If anyone wishes to prefer to think of this as a plot-hole until then, feel free. The phrase "plot-hole" gets thrown around a lot these days, so why should it be any different here?
The Arishok may have wanted to know (in DAO) "what is the blight", but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Qunari haven't come across darkspawn or a blight. Seeing something doesn't mean you understand it. Since they don't have grey wardens, if they have come across darkspawn and blights they still wouldn't have the ability to truly slay an archdemon. Of course, this is moot since all the recorded archdemons have appeared in Thedas. So the Qunari may not be aware of archdemons and how they are 'made'. Thus, if they had blights in their homeland, those blights would suddenly cease with no apparent cause or explanation - certainly not as a result of anything they did. With no knowledge of the old god/archdemon/gray warden explanation of how blights begin and are ended, they might well send someone to ask "what is the blight", especially after landing in Thedas and hearing from some source that the people here do know how blights begin and end.
If this is the case, darkspawn have simply captured female qunari from their homeland, wherever that is, in the same way that they've captured others, either during a blight or by raiding even when it's not a blight.
Aside from this, though, it is entirely possible, as others have suggested, that there are groups of kossith who are not followers of the Qun either in remote parts of Thedas inaccessible to the human/elven populations. Now, the dwarves might have access through the deep roads, but they are restricted (as far as we know) to two isolated cities who are barely keeping the darkspawn at bay and seldom venture into the deep roads anymore. In addition, dwarves who are not surface dwellers have little if any interest in what is happening 'up there', and so might either not know about such kossith groups - or not care if they do know.
Finally, also as others have suggested, non-Qun kossith groups may exist outside of Thedas and have been raided for females.
Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 03 mai 2011 - 04:31 .
Encaustic wrote...
It suggests that either the Darkspawn reached the unknown continent by way of the deep roads, or maybe Razikale or Lusacan just flew there and started a blight unchecked. Without the Grey Warden ritual they would have had no means to slay an archdemon.
JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...
Filament wrote...
Click
and messere Gaider opens up another plothole.
David Gaider wrote...
1) The Ogres look akin to the way we originally intended the Qunari to look. It was the Qunari who initially changed, not the Ogres. The new Qunari appearance is, in fact, closer to our original vision for them.
Most of Thedas was convinced the Darkspawn were only myth by the time of DA:O. The Qunari probably even more so, if the theory about limited numbers of Darkspawn in their lands holds.Rifneno wrote...
It's been a while since I've played DAO and took Sten (I usually leave him in his cage) but I'm pretty sure he didn't know what darkspawn were before encountering them.
David Gaider wrote...
3) Ogres have indeed appeared in previous Blights, prior to the arrival of the Qunari at Par Vollen. This is not a mistake. I am not, however, going to give you the answer that explains this-- yet. If anyone wishes to prefer to think of this as a plot-hole until then, feel free. The phrase "plot-hole" gets thrown around a lot these days, so why should it be any different here?
Modifié par Crow_22, 04 mai 2011 - 12:59 .
Crow_22 wrote...
Personally, I think the Deep Roads go even deeper and farther than even the Dwarves know! After all, much of it was a mystery to them even during their 'Golden Age'.
IT would make sense that either the Deep Roads extend around the world, OR that there were a group Qunari traitors and/or explorers (Like Sten in Origins) that came over there but was ambushed by Darkspawn and taken to the Brooding pit to be turned and thus we got ogres. OFFICALLY the Qunari landed in Thedas in 6:30 Steel. That seems like the logical thinking process to ME to me.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Most of Thedas was convinced the Darkspawn were only myth by the time of DA:O. The Qunari probably even more so, if the theory about limited numbers of Darkspawn in their lands holds.Rifneno wrote...
It's been a while since I've played DAO and took Sten (I usually leave him in his cage) but I'm pretty sure he didn't know what darkspawn were before encountering them.
Crow_22 wrote...
Personally, I think the Deep Roads go even deeper and farther than even the Dwarves know! After all, much of it was a mystery to them even during their 'Golden Age'.
IT would make sense that either the Deep Roads extend around the world, OR that there were a group Qunari traitors and/or explorers (Like Sten in Origins) that came over there but was ambushed by Darkspawn and taken to the Brooding pit to be turned and thus we got ogres. OFFICALLY the Qunari landed in Thedas in 6:30 Steel. That seems like the logical thinking process to ME to me.
andraip wrote...
Crow_22 wrote...
Personally, I think the Deep Roads go even deeper and farther than even the Dwarves know! After all, much of it was a mystery to them even during their 'Golden Age'.
IT would make sense that either the Deep Roads extend around the world, OR that there were a group Qunari traitors and/or explorers (Like Sten in Origins) that came over there but was ambushed by Darkspawn and taken to the Brooding pit to be turned and thus we got ogres. OFFICALLY the Qunari landed in Thedas in 6:30 Steel. That seems like the logical thinking process to ME to me.
It would make sense. I think in DAO was a quote asking why the Deeproads were so high is Dwarfes are so small. Maybe the Dwarfs didn't made the Deeproads, maybe someother ancient, long gone race build the Deep Roads, and thus the Dwarfs wouldn't know how far the deep roads actually go.
Rifneno wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Most of Thedas was convinced the Darkspawn were only myth by the time of DA:O. The Qunari probably even more so, if the theory about limited numbers of Darkspawn in their lands holds.Rifneno wrote...
It's been a while since I've played DAO and took Sten (I usually leave him in his cage) but I'm pretty sure he didn't know what darkspawn were before encountering them.
Yes, people thought they were extinct, but they did know what they are. Sten's reaction was more "What the hell is that?!" than "That's supposed to be extinct!" Although like I said, it's been ages, I could be mistaken. I do remember him calling them "creatures" though, which was very unlike him. I'd have expected him to have some Qunari word for "dark ones" or some such if the Qunari knew of darkspawn but thought them no longer a threat. It's worth noting that dragons were thought extinct nearly as long as darkspawn yet Qunari have a word for them. "Atashi."Crow_22 wrote...
Personally, I think the Deep Roads go even deeper and farther than even the Dwarves know! After all, much of it was a mystery to them even during their 'Golden Age'.
IT would make sense that either the Deep Roads extend around the world, OR that there were a group Qunari traitors and/or explorers (Like Sten in Origins) that came over there but was ambushed by Darkspawn and taken to the Brooding pit to be turned and thus we got ogres. OFFICALLY the Qunari landed in Thedas in 6:30 Steel. That seems like the logical thinking process to ME to me.
I would be disappointed if the Deep Roads spanned the entire world and nobody knew it. That seems a pretty damn big thing to be lost to history. I'd understand if they still had records of the rest of the world but could no longer contact them, but not that they just forgot the rest of the world existed.
Besides, I doubt the Deep Roads would extend under an ocean anyhow. It would be extremely dangerous for them to tunnel anywhere near an ocean... if they get too close and the tremendous water pressure is enough to burst through, then that's it. All the deep roads are underwater for good. One mistake wipes them all out. So they'd have to make sure they tunneled *very* far under the ocean. There's two problems with that. First they have no way of knowing how deep the ocean is so they have no idea if they're very far under it or only a quarter of the way down. Second, when you tunnel that deep you're gonna get cooked. The Earth's... innards if you will, are unimaginable amounts of molten magma (lava). The closer you get to them, the hotter it gets. The deepest mine we've got in the real world is roughly 2 and a half miles deep, which is also roughly the average depth of the ocean. Humans can't work in the depths of it, they're working on robots to do the mining because it's about 160 degrees near the bottom. In order to be safely under the Ocean and counting the deeper parts rather than just just the average depth (the deepest part of the ocean is over twice that depth) then you'd be cooked long before getting to the appropriate depth let alone tunneling thousands of miles through it. ... Of course, this is all assuming they plan for this stuff to follow real physics, which is definitely iffy.
As for the Qunari explorers getting grabbed by darkspawn ages before the official settlement of Par Vollen, that does seem reasonable. But if it was as simple as that and didn't involve any future plot twists, I'd think DG would've just said so rather than be cryptic about it.
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