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[Fieryeel]

LobselVith8 wrote...

She challenges Hawke if he sides with the templars to kill the mages because she doesn't think murdering men, women, and children for an act Anders committed is the right course of action, and Hawke can kill her.

Video?

The last few threads popping up claiming Merrill could be killed had no videos to back them up.

If you claim Merrill's killable, then please show a video or screenshots at least.

Modifié par Fieryeel, 03 mai 2011 - 02:38 .

[LobselVith8]

Fieryeel wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

She challenges Hawke if he sides with the templars to kill the mages because she doesn't think murdering men, women, and children for an act Anders committed is the right course of action, and Hawke can kill her.

Video?

The last few threads popping up claiming Merrill could be killed had no videos to back them up.

If you claim Merrill's killable, then please show a video or screenshots at least.

Here's the video you politely requested: Merrill getting killed for standing up for the mages. If you ever wanted to see why siding with the templars was evil, here it is.

[Jade Elf]

Yeah, it can happen with Fenris too. Just the other way around, so to speak - ie. when siding with the mages.

[1483749283]

Ah yes. The only thing more satisfying that disposing of Fenris was telling Anders that the best thing he could do to help mages was to get the hell out of my sight. Both Fenris and Anders were incredibly cruel to Merrill. Anders didn't deserve to stay and fight with the mages. Also, I resent the fact that Fenris was the only companion to get his own theme. That theme should have gone to Merrill.

... one-sided much? Yes I am.

Modifié par Pausanias, 03 mai 2011 - 06:53 .

[Ryzaki]

LobselVith8 wrote...

She challenges Hawke if he sides with the templars to kill the mages because she doesn't think murdering men, women, and children for an act Anders committed is the right course of action, and Hawke can kill her.

Please note this is only if her rivalry/friendship is lower than about 60% or if you don't pick a certain dialogue choice when trying to convince her that you're trying to restore order. (I had Merrill side with me when she was about half way by Hawke saying something about order and her agreeing). 

It was a bit of a pain because I was trying to kill her but my Hawke kept busting out that "we need to restore order." crap and she kept agreeing. Blast. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 mai 2011 - 08:30 .

[thesuperdarkone]

Do you get that option regardless of your friendship/rivalry or can you only kill her if you're a rival so I can plan my playthroughs

[Mary Kirby]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Do you get that option regardless of your friendship/rivalry or can you only kill her if you're a rival so I can plan my playthroughs

Keep Anders. It's designed so you don't lose all your mages right before the last battles of the game.  Keep Anders alive, side with the Templars, don't have Merrill at full friend/rivalry.

[Wulfram]

I thought it was impossible to keep Anders if you side with the Templars at the moment?

Would Warden Bethany work instead?

[Ryzaki]

Mary Kirby wrote...

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Do you get that option regardless of your friendship/rivalry or can you only kill her if you're a rival so I can plan my playthroughs

Keep Anders. It's designed so you don't lose all your mages right before the last battles of the game.  Keep Anders alive, side with the Templars, don't have Merrill at full friend/rivalry.

And now my inability to kill them both off is explained.  

Blast. I wanted a no mage party. I would've picked up Bethany in about 2 minutes anyway.  

Edit: Or was she dead? I forget.  

Edit 2: And I could've sworn I killed Merrill and Anders on one of my playthroughs.... 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 mai 2011 - 09:49 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Mary Kirby wrote...

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Do you get that option regardless of your friendship/rivalry or can you only kill her if you're a rival so I can plan my playthroughs

Keep Anders. It's designed so you don't lose all your mages right before the last battles of the game.  Keep Anders alive, side with the Templars, don't have Merrill at full friend/rivalry.

Out of curiosity, how many party members can you kill/lose over the course of the game?  Is the game designed so you can't lose so many you won't have a full party?

Bethany/Carver leave or die after the Deep Roads.  Fenris and Isabela can leave in Act 2.  Aveline can leave in Act 3.  And depending on who you side with at The Last Straw, you can be forced to kill Fenris, Aveline, Merrill, and Anders, as well as lose Sebastian.  Seems like the only person with no leave condition is Varric.  Because he's a baller like that.

[bleetman]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Keep Anders. It's designed so you don't lose all your mages right before the last battles of the game.  Keep Anders alive, side with the Templars, don't have Merrill at full friend/rivalry.

Why are you helping people kill Merrill 

Modifié par bleetman, 03 mai 2011 - 09:16 .

[Maria Caliban]

Pausanias wrote...

Also, I resent the fact that Fenris was the only companion to get his own theme.

The end track is Varric's Theme.

Obviously, BioWare couldn't afford the license for Merrill's theme

[Sylvianus]

Ms. Kirby, Merrill is much more passionate as rival.

I agree with title.
I also love Ms Kirby. Another common point with the op lol.
Aaaah Loghain.

[1483749283]

In general, there's room for improvement in the sound design department. The "Love Theme" from the soundtrack is fantastic, but not used at all as far as I could tell at least with Merrill. Merrill deserves better.

I liked having the Wagnerian (character-specific) love themes in BG2... my guess is they probably planned to have one musical theme per party member but ran out of zots/time. Inon Zur reportedly expressed concern about the narrow timeframe.

An intrepid modder could probably remedy the situation...  if one hasn't already. There's a lot of good but rarely used music in the soundtrack.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Pausanias wrote...

Also, I resent the fact that Fenris was the only companion to get his own theme.

The end track is Varric's Theme.

Obviously, BioWare couldn't afford the license for Merrill's theme

Modifié par Pausanias, 04 mai 2011 - 05:58 .

[christrek1982]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Pausanias wrote...

Also, I resent the fact that Fenris was the only companion to get his own theme.

The end track is Varric's Theme.

Obviously, BioWare couldn't afford the license for Merrill's theme

never saw Merrill as beeing so dark but the song sorta fits her well

[Jymm]

Here's a tangentially related question: I have Merill at 100% friendship, standing in front of keeper at the end of Mirror Image. I was really planning to deny her the tool and try for the rest of the game to get her to abandon her blood magic, demon-cavorting path. But it won't let me. Because of that 100% lock thing I can't really get her mad at me and jump to the rival path. I tried using console commands (PC of course) to tweak her approval but that's not working either. Anyone got a way out of this for me?

edit - in case it matters, I am trying to romance her on this playthrough and specifically decided to try the rivalmance path partly after reading this thread.

Modifié par Jymm, 15 mai 2011 - 02:28 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Pausanias wrote...

Also, I resent the fact that Fenris was the only companion to get his own theme.

The end track is Varric's Theme.

Obviously, BioWare couldn't afford the license for Merrill's theme

If you're looking for a Stones song that fits Merrill, Let It Bleed seems more appropriate. IMO. 

[Beerfish]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I disagree on the upped npc writing, there is not one of the characters in DA:2 that overrates any of them in Origins.
And you interact much less with them in this game too.

As for Merrill i disagree too, i like her friendship romance better as it seems she loves Hawke more, trusts him/her, has a share of beleif, understanding.

At least half of the characters in DA2 are FAR superior to many in DA1.  FAR FAR

[Beerfish]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Pausanias wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
I disagree on the upped npc writing, there is not one of the characters in DA:2 that overrates any of them in Origins.
And you interact much less with them in this game too.

Come now, surely you'll agree that multiple DA2 characters are better written than Sten or Oghren in DAO. And with regard to interactions, I believe that while there are fewere long conversations than in DAO, the conversations in DA2 probably add up to the same total length---they are just more interspersed. Furthermore, IMHO the DA2 conversations generally tend to be more distilled, in the sense that each word, on the average, does more to advance character development and does more emotional work than each word in DAO.

The timeline in DA:2 works well with the character development - agreed.

More to the characters? Nope.

Those you mentioned yourself; both Oghren and Sten has considerably more to say in any regards than any DA:2 character. More depth, better stories and stronger personalities.

Oghren is a funny drunk slap stick dwarf that never really establishes a relationhsip with  the player and never really changes from the beginning to the end.  The same with Sten, a snarky, bombastic Qunari who changes very little through the game other than admitting at the end that you don't suck as much as he thought.  The banter between the companions was pretty well the same thorugh out the game and the compaions pretty well never changed their views of each other.

Very unlike DA2 where companions changed in the way they  viewed each other and changed the way they viewed the hero much more than in DAO.  DA2   > DAO in npcs, how deep they were, how they changed and how they related to each other.

[Knight of Dane]

You don't know what you are talking about. How much can a character change over the cause of a single year? All the characters in DA:O was far superior to the ones in 2, what you're talking about are character development over the years. A feature i liked about DA:2 too but i don't think was done well enough.
The Characters in DA:O was much more likeable than any in DA:2, they are simply too extreme when compared to the ones in DA:O.

That said i do not dislike the characters, i still think they are well written, but to say they are better than the ones from Origins is delusional talk.

[christrek1982]

yes a good point but who in DA 1 broke the mole became more than there stereotype avalin for example feris.

where as Alester or liliana where probably the two best comps in DA:O and to this day I realy cant see what all the fuss is about Morigan.

sten was always stoic
Morigan was always selfish and only out for herself
Ogran was just a drunk (admittedly a funny one)

anyway you get the point. There wasn’t one moment in the game where I saw a different side a to any of the people in your party they where established as X personality type and that’s what they remained not showing anything beyond that

[Knight of Dane]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...

yes a good point but who in DA 1 broke the mole became more than there stereotype avalin for example feris.

where as Alistair or Leliana where probably the two best comps in DA:O and to this day I realy cant see what all the fuss is about Morigan.

sten was always stoic
Morigan was always selfish and only out for herself
Ogran was just a drunk (admittedly a funny one)

anyway you get the point. There wasn’t one moment in the game where I saw a different side a to any of the people in your party they where established as X personality type and that’s what they remained not showing anything beyond that

:ph34r:fixed:ph34r:


off the subject
I have merrill at 100% friendship and she acts as though I killed her puppy is that normal ?

Did you kill her puppy?