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[Wulfram]

There's no indication, that I've seen anyway, that Merrill needs blood magic to fix the mirror except for the original cleansing of the shard. So I don't know if she'd have any use for all that lyrium.

[Nerdage]

No idication, except for Mary saying "She needs it in order to repair the mirror."? Can't say I understand, but there it is.

[Maria Caliban]

I guess I can understand the confusion, but I always assumed that blood magic was needed. It's a powerful elven artifact that she's rebuilding from a single shard. No single mage is probably powerful enough to do that without blood magic.

nerdage wrote...

Where's the option to buy her piles of lyrium to stop her using blood magic?

When a mage uses 'piles of lyrium' they begin to deform and end up as inhuman (inelven?) creatures who aren't quite sane.

That might not be the solution you're looking for.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 04 mai 2011 - 08:55 .

[Nerdage]

Where's that from?

[Maria Caliban]

Codex. It's talking about the Tevinter mages and how the most powerful of them are proud of how icky they look.

[Nerdage]

Source
Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human.

Sounds like you need to use it for a long time before that happens. Besides, there are references to mages using lyrium who still look resonably human, like during the conversation with Jowan in redcliffe.

Edit: Clarification: He implies the ritual takes more mages and lyrium, which you can do with no reference to them going strange.

Modifié par nerdage, 04 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[Maria Caliban]

nerdage wrote...

Sounds like you need to use it for a long time before that happens.

Merrill spends six years working on the mirror.

Besides, there are references to mages using lyrium who still look resonably human, like during the conversation with Jowan in redcliffe.

Because they're not using piles of lyrium.

Edit: Clarification: He implies the ritual takes more mages and lyrium, which you can do with no reference to them going strange.

Once. They take a large dose of lyrium once.

Think of it as smoking. If I smoke a pack a day for twelve years, I have a high chance of getting cancer. If I smoke two packs a day for six years, my chance is just the same and I'm also more likely to fall ill.

Likewise, if someone smokes two packs in one day but doesn't smoke before or after that, they might become ill but when it comes to them getting lung cancer, it's not going to have a significant impact.

Lyrium has an effect on the body of mages that use it. Using piles of it for six years will mess you up just as much as using smaller amounts over a longer period of time.

[Nerdage]

Well she's the one who suggests it as an option, and since she was willing to basically be exiled from her clan I don't know she wouldn't got that far, assuming she knew about the effects in the first place.

But, thinking about it, since she's already learned blood magic by the time you meet her it's probably too late to be talking about alternatives. The real risk of using blood magic seems to be the dealing with demons bit, which she did long before you meet her. Forget I was here..

[tmp7704]

Mary Kirby wrote...

If you're supporting her rebuilding of the eluvian, why would you expect her to break it?

I suppose the real question would then be, why is there no option to tell Merrill to for the Creators sake let it just go in the final conversation, given how it possibly ended in the massacre at Two Pines the Sundermount? I mean, why does Hawke get railroaded at that point into "choosing" between "you're right", "you're right" and "you're right" ... when it'd be quite reasonable to have a change of heart at that point, and what you'd like to say is "you were wrong, and so was i in helping you"? Or something along these lines.

Modifié par tmp7704, 05 mai 2011 - 04:37 .

[Loki330]

Wulfram wrote...

There's no indication, that I've seen anyway, that Merrill needs blood magic to fix the mirror except for the original cleansing of the shard. So I don't know if she'd have any use for all that lyrium.

Note the word used.

Shard.

How many shards do you think a shattered mirror has? Merrill specifically says she could fix it if she had lots of lyrium to hand, but as mentioned elsewhere by other npc's the Chantry controls the lyrium trade. Potions have a very small amount of lyrium too (remember it's mentioned in the codex that humans and elves can't handle the raw/neat stuff: best case scenari they 'only' get things like severe burning and poisoning. So Merrill works with what she's got.

...incedently, remember how The Warden gets access to blood magic in Origins.

[cihimi]

She could get mad at you for not helping her enough and wiil kick you out of her house. Later you and her will have make-up sex.

On the other hand, she'll get angry with the mirror, destroy it, and mug an elf outside her house. (ok, I just made up that last bit), <wink>