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[Metaldwarf]

Gregor Wyrmbane wrote...

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

It's not really "hi-jacking" if you just write one comment about a server...as this thread...after all....is about servers....

Exactly. "One comment" would have been acceptable. 

I know that some people might disagree with this but as the OP I had no problem with the comments made. I started this topic so that people could post their own thoughts and reasons on why they no longer played RP or story-based servers. However, I don't think it will devolve into blatantly insulting any one server, or indeed any one person's roleplay style.

One reason I like posting here rather than some of the server forums is that people tend to be more levelheaded here.

[Metaldwarf]

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

Metaldwarf wrote...
These days it seems like people are more interested in Action ....

Actually I have felt it to be the other way around.

Some roleplaying servers/communities are the ones that are really big....and tend to atract players just because of that as well.

They are usually really tight knit. It is players who have played together like forever and playing on the server has detoriated into some kind of social drama....

To the first part, I know what you mean. There are servers where people who want to go out and level up their characters before becoming embroiled in the politics of the world are ridiculed and ignored. This actually happens frequently on a server I used to call home.
On the other hand, you have people on rp servers who are so eager to level that they ignore canon, lore, and even basic things like classes. I have seen  Tormite paladins happily slay orcs with Velsharoon necromancers, and have witnessed elves who claim to be half-drow and proud of it. Now granted, that's not as bad as the celestial vampire dragonling trapped in a dwarf's body scenario, but it still breaks immersion. Of course these are specific examples of Forgotten Realms based servers; so not everyone would care or can relate.

As to your second point about the 'cliques'...I've never seen a server these days where that isn't true unfortunately. Having been part of some and on the edges of many, I can understand why new people don't feel welcome or inspired to stay on RP servers. I speak mainly of RP servers because the cliquishness is unique to those and likely Story servers because you spend a vast majority of your time building a character's personality and relationships and their place in the world that dramatically effects everything around them. It's impossible not to get attached to that character, and to form bonds with other like-minded folks. When I returned to my main server after a few months absence I certainly felt welcome, but very little else had changed. The same three or four year old epics ran everything, the same groups tended to keep to each other, and the same wars and politics inundated the rp of the server at the expense of other stories and high adventure. People grow comfortable with things and perceive a threat to that existence and tend to become extremely protective. Cliques are a natural progression of that philosophy.

[Metaldwarf]

TSMDude wrote...

Satisfied owner of BG 1&2, KOTOR, NWN 1. Owner of NWN2.

^^^^That is some funny stuff right there btw. ^^^^

I
played on a lot of worlds. I DMed on several. I have been in some shape
or form a part of about 10 to 15 different role playing PWs or
Persisitent Story PWs. And yes, even one social server....ahem...

For
the last two or so have been on the aforementioned tales of the Silver
Marches and realized that wow...there is so much we can do and have not
done yet. Scripting, building...this or that...

Yet what it comes
down to is the Base. Not just the players. Not just the Quest Leaders.
Not Gygax, Greenwood, or Salvatore. Not even my old friends from the PnP
days who we went to the same colleges and stayed up later than late
over the weekends when sensible people were drinking and running naked
through briar patches...
What drives me is the Realms itself. It is like an itch that needs to be scratched over and over again.

Even
now, with our smaller numbers in the teens and sometimes even single
digits I find myself glued to this screen and this toolset remaking the
entire North Realms for people to explore...to fit our Lore we have
crafted for the Realms. It...excites me as I sit there reading books and
listening to the Last of the Mohicans soundtrack or a hodegpodge of
music like the song from the lass in King Arthur.

I know that
our players are excited and scared and filled with trepidation but I
also know they will spread out as they always do as we reinvent the
server every few years(no we dont wipe server vaults, lol) and try and
explore what is out there to find that Explorer XP points.

I know
we had one player who we lost to real life finally who would spend
hours walking around in first player JUSt to see the server. What an
awesome compliminet it was.

I do not know other servers as much
as I used to. I know what I have been told and what I have seen but I do
know this...I may miss the old players who we may have lost to graphics
or real life or combos of both but I truly am glad for the friends I
have met in my travels and the things i have seen.

Role Playing
will never become obsolete. It is the best of pure escapism and if we
were just text lines on a screen ala Pool of Radiance...I bet we would
still see some of you there.

Well said, and I could not agree more about the Realms. It still excites me after nearly twenty years of playing in Greenwood's sandbox. (Say what you will about Elminster being a Larry Sue, the man can bloody do what he wants after creating such a fine world for us to play in, imho.) Sometimes I catch myself wanting to type or do things that my character surely doesn't know on servers to this day because I've got so much information about the Realms personally that it's tough to keep it all inside. There are people who are DMs on a certain server that is steeped in FR lore that have claimed they not only care little for the lore but they actively dislike it and look down upon those who draw great inspiration from the lore. They fiddle and manipulate and break lore and applaud others who do it if it means more 'interesting' roleplay can occur. However, I do not mean to begrudge that entire server. For the most part they do a fine job of balancing such things with the rest of the FR world. It is however a contributing reason why I don't find myself as enamored with it any longer, despite it being where most of my NWN buddies still play.


One thing I tend to notice is the amount of backbiting and mudslinging that exists in nwn chat and in server forums for other servers. This attitude is shameful to me, because most of these people have never even played on the servers they insult so wildly. How do I know such a thing? I asked the people. The ones who had legimate complaints tended to acknowledge that it had been a long time(years in some cases) since they had played on that server and maybe they were being unfair. I think it'd be awesome to get people from the more prominent, higher-population rp servers together in chat somewhere and share ideas, discuss things, like an actual community forum. I sincerely doubt most people are open to that idea however.

Modifié par Metaldwarf, 04 mai 2011 - 01:51 .

[TSMDude]

Cliques form no matter where you go. And then with the idiotic griefers it made some servers become even less friendly for awhile.

People want to play with thier friends. I hate cliques tnh and am a dedicated soloist adventurer. Always have been and yet here I sit running a Role Playing server that is for the most part as hard core role playing as they get.

When a server starts to become stale...it is the builders fault. I would love to say the DMs/QLs dont do this or the players dont do that but the blame normally rest squarely on the scripter/builder. (And yes I am one so I do take the Lion's Share of the blame trough)

It is our job to keep things exciting and fresh. If a Epic has seen everything then they become idle and idle players leads to boredom and then routine sets in. When that happens you screwed the pooch, jumped the shark...ate at Moes...whatever you want to call it.

Do something crazy. Blow up the main city woth a portal to hell opened by some baddy forcing the players to move somewhere.

Kill the main merchant.

Ask one of your main people with an epic pc to fall on the sword in some spetacular fashion.

Boredom and tedium is the enemy of us all.

[Arinoch]

Boredom and tedium is the enemy of us all.

Here here. I left a server I'd been on for three years because of that, and I still loved the players I was playing with, no less. I had an epic character, which felt like an accomplishment as the DMs had to nominate your character to be advanced above 20. But still, I'd gone everywhere and done everything, and could only count on DM plots, which at the time were few and far between, to get any sense of danger. Maybe that same reason is why I champion the scaling system on TWI so much, because it extends the life of the areas you've been to over and over. Combine that with slow, purposeful leveling and the game world extends itself significantly.

Of course, game world is nothing without players to fill it, so that's the other issue that arises, especially with an aging game like NWN. I wish I knew a way to gauge whether the number of committed RPers are on the decline, even in the real world in terms of PnP play. If there were even D&D forums to visit where you could say "you guys should buy Neverwinter Nights and come play", it's going to be that much harder to get a copy of the game as time progresses. NWN2 is on Steam, at least, so there's always that when the day comes, I suppose.

[Metaldwarf]

Arinoch wrote...

Boredom and tedium is the enemy of us all.

Here here. I left a server I'd been on for three years because of that, and I still loved the players I was playing with, no less. I had an epic character, which felt like an accomplishment as the DMs had to nominate your character to be advanced above 20. But still, I'd gone everywhere and done everything, and could only count on DM plots, which at the time were few and far between, to get any sense of danger. Maybe that same reason is why I champion the scaling system on TWI so much, because it extends the life of the areas you've been to over and over. Combine that with slow, purposeful leveling and the game world extends itself significantly.

Of course, game world is nothing without players to fill it, so that's the other issue that arises, especially with an aging game like NWN. I wish I knew a way to gauge whether the number of committed RPers are on the decline, even in the real world in terms of PnP play. If there were even D&D forums to visit where you could say "you guys should buy Neverwinter Nights and come play", it's going to be that much harder to get a copy of the game as time progresses. NWN2 is on Steam, at least, so there's always that when the day comes, I suppose.

NWN has been available on on Good Old Games since last fall, and I remember when several folks from my server at the time politely told people on the GOG forums about our server as well as the plethora of others. Most people's responses were along the lines of 'Thanks but we prefer the game itself and action servers.' Most people seemed more interested in being able to level quickly and get 'sweet gear.' Perhaps things have changed over the prevailing months and maybe it's wise to make another such forum post extolling the virtues of RP PW for NWN.

[Arinoch]

Good idea. I posted a few replies to some threads, anyway, though obviously mostly focused on The Way Inn. ^^

[SuperFly_2000]

Metaldwarf wrote...
One reason I like posting here rather than some of the server forums is that people tend to be more levelheaded here.

It is funny you should say that.

I have noticed this also. Note that this most of the servers (if not all) mentioned in this thread are not of this kind.

I don't know why it is that such an amount of tension can be built up. Especially on self proclaimed "hardcore roleplaying servers".

It is like there is a build up of OOC frustration that has not been vented. People are more or less afraid to speak their mind, both on forums and or chat. Anything deemed as "politically incorrect" will instantly be bashed on and in worst case lead to ban....for no reason other than trying to discuss some of the inner workings of the server.

Locking of threads seem to be common practice.

I think the worst possible example of this was the Wake server that didn't stay online for long. It looked like a well constructed server only it really had some hardcore rules:
- Hardcore roleplaying
- Permadeath
- Low magic and low level
- ...and full PvP encouraged on top of that.

When the server closed down they stopped moderating their forums...and oh boy was that an ugly sight.


Anyway...this was all a kind of paranthesis and an off-topic rant in this thread awoken by a possible similar thought and also my will to crusade against elitist RP servers....

[NWN DM]

One must logically expect over time that there will be some dropout.

That NWN/NWN2 have lasted this long is entirely due to the strong communities that surround the games which were abandoned long ago in favour of ca$hing in and $elling out (BioWare) the more profitable (Obsidian) and lawsuits over gross incompetence (Atari).

Modifié par NWN DM, 05 mai 2011 - 12:53 .

[Arinoch]

Just on Superfly's post - I think also hardcore RPers can take things very seriously, forgetting it is, at the end of the day, a game. That attitude can transfer into all manner of things, resulting in the hard-headedness you speak of occurring on forums. Of course, then there's the group of hardcore RPers who veer towards the dramatic, which can also transfer into their attitudes on other things. These are the folks who get emotionally shattered in real life when their characters die or something bad happens to them. Some of the best RPers I've known are like that, so it's a shame when people can't take things in stride. Bad things happening to your characters, of course, is one of the best ways for a character to grow and evolve. So at the end of the day I think we just have to get lucky and hope that the core group of RPers that form on a server are of the level-headed, reasonable variety.

[TSMDude]

*sighs*

Why do people contuine to harp on hardcore role players? I do not bash action players or modern players or harrypotteries. I do not disparage the social server people, the planescapers, or even the people who agonize over builds vs character devolping...

It honestly at times feels like I am at a Tea Party rally saying that educated folks who go to college are bad...

When did this switch occurr that folks who like to rp the hard core ruleset which is one of the most popular downloads become evil folks to be avoided? And why is it ONCE again coming up in a thread that rpers are bad?

I mean come on folks...Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing game. We are talking about a role playing game. Not Risk or first person shooters or Lara Croft and her bountiful bosom.

We are talking about a game that is baed on role playing and if Bob wants to rp as hard as he can then let Bob rp, you guessed it, as hard as he can.

I have seen excellent role playing in taverns and even saw a 7 act play done by a group of players on a server and was amazzed. It was quite awesome. i have seen bards perform and magic shows and the what like. I have also seen fantastic rp in a dungeon and on battlefields and even on the forums.

And not once did I begrudge someone for it.

I see servers packed on the action servers with people happily smacking away with axes and I have seen PvP servers that rocked with nothing but powerbuilds...cool..the people are enjoying themselves.

Yet only here do you contuinally see people bad mouth hard core role players as something wrong. I do not understand it and thankfully I never will understand how someone...hell anyone...will bad mouth a certain style of play.

If you dont like it then dont do it....

[kalbaern]

Arinoch wrote...

Just on Superfly's post - I think also hardcore RPers can take things very seriously, forgetting it is, at the end of the day, a game. That attitude can transfer into all manner of things, resulting in the hard-headedness you speak of occurring on forums. Of course, then there's the group of hardcore RPers who veer towards the dramatic, which can also transfer into their attitudes on other things. These are the folks who get emotionally shattered in real life when their characters die or something bad happens to them. Some of the best RPers I've known are like that, so it's a shame when people can't take things in stride. Bad things happening to your characters, of course, is one of the best ways for a character to grow and evolve. So at the end of the day I think we just have to get lucky and hope that the core group of RPers that form on a server are of the level-headed, reasonable variety.

Over-reaction is in noway limited to the so called "Hardcore RPers". I see it constantly on juat about any type of NWN PW. Action and PvP servers where a player thinks their build is untouchable and suddenl gets taken out by a newcomer often go beserk. WoW players and just about any other type of MMO have their own fair share of "nutcases" to. Heck, I listened in last week to someone going crazy in chat while playing my favorite FPS on XBox, just because some "camper" took out his character seven times in a row.**

It's nnot limited to certain age groups that I can see either. On the surface, youth appears to play a part, but youthful players are sometimes also more predominate too. I've known folk from 14 to 70 have blow ups, tantrum and just get mired down in drama over the years. I've seen players leave a world to escape drama and they find more elsewhere. I've seen others play on the same worlds for years at a time and successfully avoid getting sucked into "drama". Wherever and whatever you play, when it's nolonger fun, it's time to move on. I've heard sunlight is good for most of us anyhow.

**I wasn't camping. I was sniping while concealed. I always move after every second target.

[Arinoch]

I didn't mean to imply that I think hardcore RPers are the only ones who overreact to things - I'm a hardcore RPer. What I was saying was that as with any group of people, you get the extremes as well, and when the extremes become the norm for a server, that usually takes it down a bad road. If nothing else, a few outspoken nutbars can give a server a bad name even though there are far more well-adjusted players. The basic truth that we all know is that the Internet gives people a free wall of anonymity that allows them to be as much of a loser as they want, so we have to hope that servers develop a larger group of quality players that becomes the norm rather than those losers.

[muvs32]

Kalbaern said, " when it's nolonger fun, it's time to move on. I've heard sunlight is good for most of us anyhow. well said.

I can completely understand not wanting to fleece a server pop. or player/s as "hardcore" and to be avoided but...are good RP'ers being talked of, or players who are merely hardcore? (I.E. overtly selfish, unyielding, clique like and favoring their RP over the efforts of others, too emotionally attached to a fantasy/character(there is a prognosis for that) If a player is great at RP but fosters within there play too many or too great an extent of these traits...does it create a balance for some? I would like to know what others think.

D&D was and I am to assume still is, game,a game to be played by a group (it is indicated that this group be agreeable if not outright friendly) a group of friends playing a game, a game called D&D, period. There is no other way to describe it I.M.H.O.

I do recall that while being a D.M. and admin. team member on a successful PW that a core of players that had played PnP with the mods builder for many years in past thought they they were entitled to dictate to DM's ,and even other players how they were to RP and even how the story would go. They would send PM's without my knowledge to the builder who would tell them he trusted his dedicated staff and would back them accordingly. That lead to more disgruntlement and would consume more time and take away from the FUN aspect.

After the builder/host retired from NwN the mod was given to these old friends who chased off the only two DM's that ran events (tho I know one good soul stayed) and chased off a player base that used to attract double digits. The server in question is always on 0 when I look at gamespy...is there any wonder.

Even tho the folks I speak of could be excellent at RP and writing their backstories ext. with their selfishness and cliquishness they ran off more players then they were worth, very sadly. I know this has happened other places and it is a shame that grown people cannot leave their bigotry, close mindedness and lack of any kind of humility at the door...I apologize for rant.

"Hardcore" itself may be a term undeserved but I understand the apprehension completely when someone offers this term as a description of a group of players.

Remaining neither less or greater then anyone...I will let things be as they are!

[Metaldwarf]

One of the servers I played on had as criteria for people to attain certain rewards their ability to 'bend their rp for others.' Ideally it encourages people to include others in their roleplay but also subtly to remind them that their characters are part of a world and even if they are epics they should treat the world and especially their fellow rpers who inhabit it accordingly. The idea of 'hardcore' roleplay, to most of the people on that server, meant to be committed to your character but also allow that others are as committed to theirs. I find that disparity all too common on servers.

[Aelis Eine]

TSMDude wrote...

Why do people contuine to harp on hardcore role players?

Why shouldn't they? It's on topic, unlike tangential references to Tea Party rallies and Lara Croft.

Black sheep do exist in the RP community and yes, they are one reason why people are run off.

If you don't like reading about why people think RP servers are in decline maybe you shouldn't, y'know, come into a thread about it?

[Jenna WSI]

Metaldwarf wrote...

One of the servers I played on had as criteria for people to attain certain rewards their ability to 'bend their rp for others.' Ideally it encourages people to include others in their roleplay but also subtly to remind them that their characters are part of a world and even if they are epics they should treat the world and especially their fellow rpers who inhabit it accordingly. The idea of 'hardcore' roleplay, to most of the people on that server, meant to be committed to your character but also allow that others are as committed to theirs. I find that disparity all too common on servers.

What kind of rewards?

[TSMDude]

Arinoch wrote...

I didn't mean to imply that I think hardcore RPers are the only ones who overreact to things - I'm a hardcore RPer. ................. The basic truth that we all know is that the Internet gives people a free wall of anonymity that allows them to be as much of a loser as they want, so we have to hope that servers develop a larger group of quality players that becomes the norm rather than those losers.

No worries then.

And I agree with the rest of your statement as it is very true that the anonymity of the tnternet often makes folks spout things or act in a way totally devoid of common sense.

Modifié par TSMDude, 06 mai 2011 - 09:58 .

[muvs32]

TSMDude wrote...

Arinoch wrote...

I didn't mean to imply that I think hardcore RPers are the only ones who overreact to things - I'm a hardcore RPer. ................. The basic truth that we all know is that the Internet gives people a free wall of anonymity that allows them to be as much of a loser as they want, so we have to hope that servers develop a larger group of quality players that becomes the norm rather than those losers.

No worries then.

And I agree with the rest of your statement as it is very true that the anonymity of the tnternet often makes folks spout things or act in a way totally devoid of common sense.

  One see's much the same behaviors while people are driving their cars....Oie!

[Metaldwarf]

Aelis Eine wrote...

TSMDude wrote...

Why do people contuine to harp on hardcore role players?

Why shouldn't they? It's on topic, unlike tangential references to Tea Party rallies and Lara Croft.

Black sheep do exist in the RP community and yes, they are one reason why people are run off.

If you don't like reading about why people think RP servers are in decline maybe you shouldn't, y'know, come into a thread about it?

Actually I don't think disparaging any kind of rper is 'on topic'. TSMDude made some good points. I've been on rp servers where I was essentially criticized for knowing too much lore about the setting and expecting people to rp accordingly. I have very high standards when it comes to certain settings and I personally don't see anything wrong with that. However, often times I'm forced to downplay my own 'hardcore' rp for the sake of others, which I also don't find a problem with although it makes the game less interesting and exciting for me. I am sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

[TSMDude]

Aelis Eine wrote...

TSMDude wrote...

Why do people contuine to harp on hardcore role players?

Why shouldn't they? It's on topic, unlike tangential references to Tea Party rallies and Lara Croft.

Black sheep do exist in the RP community and yes, they are one reason why people are run off.

If you don't like reading about why people think RP servers are in decline maybe you shouldn't, y'know, come into a thread about it?

I came into this thread awhile ago, friend. And it seems to me we are diametrically opposed. I had no problem with angelrogue stating his displeasure but his naming and then contuinal harping of one server was too much.

I see you did not which makes me think that you value the negative side of things but then again that is just from the amazingly small post you have made so I have no way of knowing if that is true or not. Forgive me my ignorance of your stances as I am sure I can forgive you for the ignorance of my own.

My post was right on topic as the two above me that you quote the small piece from where directed at one person who states that he contuines to rail against elitist servers and has contuined to make assumptions about "hardcore" role players.

I do not assume to know much about other peoples playing habits or lack of or even masive girth of...I merly state that it has become common place to throw rocks at hardcore role players as something bad when indeed it is not for you or you or you or me or him or her to decide. Much like the cheater in sp mods thread this is a discussion on Where is Waldo with Waldo being roleplaying servers steeped in Lore and/or hardcore role players.

(Gulp, there goes my tangential references again! If you like I can explain in detailed footnotes the Waldo, Tea Baggers, and Lara Croft mentions complete with links and such but I did not know I was being graded.)

I am by nature a postive person. I have to be. I have kids and beleive the nature of man is kind and stoutish. So when I set forth a please dont knock hardcore roleplayers or ANY other gaming style post and then get someone annoyed that I did and questioning why I wandered into this fray...way way back in the first few post it makes me wonder why someone would get angry at what I posted?

Is it because you feel slighted due to my political leanings? Is it because of the Lara Bosom refference? Is it because you yoursef do not like hardcore role players? (I doubt that last one tbh but hey, to each thier own I say.)

I am not sure what I did to earn your ire unless you are one of the players banned recently though I doubt you are WF since you have stated you are retired from NWN for the last 6 months or so it seems strange that you would wander into this thread about the state of affairs now being removed from the game so long....

Just obsevations and I hope you have a wonderful gaming day free of stress and small smelly cats who step on your keyboards.

[Arinoch]

Metaldwarf wrote...

Actually I don't think disparaging any kind of rper is 'on topic'. TSMDude made some good points. I've been on rp servers where I was essentially criticized for knowing too much lore about the setting and expecting people to rp accordingly. I have very high standards when it comes to certain settings and I personally don't see anything wrong with that. However, often times I'm forced to downplay my own 'hardcore' rp for the sake of others, which I also don't find a problem with although it makes the game less interesting and exciting for me. I am sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Honestly that's why I like TWI. Not to keep sounding like a troll or anything, but I like a server where I can properly explore organic character growth in the FR setting. My last server sort of capped things at PG-13, so heavier subject matter wasn't explored so much. I'm not saying I'm down with the cybering, or violence against women, or anything else that could be considered an heavy R rating, but just having that limit in the background somehow kind of capped the realism I was looking for, and felt weird. On TWI there's a chance to find temples that have been desecrated by evil forces, and yeah, that's not going to look too pleasant. There's a reason not everyone in the land can be categorized as an "Adventurer", after all - even just _seeing_ a demon should do some brand of emotional scarring.

Also there wasn't any potential for perma-death, whereas on TWI if you head off alone into a distant cave and die after level 5, your body needs a raise dead/res/etc. so otherwise your body's going to sit there until someone stumbles upon it (which they can do when you're offline, don't worry), after which it can be carried back to a priest in town...slowly. There is, kindly, an option to respawn until you pass level 5, but
don't do it just after you die alone or you'll still be surrounded.

It's all kinds of little things that make a world feel like an actual world and not a game world, and when you combine it with a setting where FR lore is embraced, you can really do some great stuff. I'm not super versed in FR lore, but I adapt well and am happy to learn new things (heck, that's what a low lore skill helps with).

But I digress. I totally agree, Metaldwarf.

[Aelis Eine]

Rest assured, it's not because of any of the reasons you listed - I'm not a US citizen so I don't have much of an opinion about the Tea Party, nor am I a particularly big fan of Tomb Raider. And I don't think I've spent more than 5 minutes on TSM before deciding it wasn't my kind of server.

I am effectively retired from NWN in that I don't play NWN regularly, though I do check back on some old favorites now and then and keep a lookout for upcoming servers to try.

Anyway, since you claim that by nature you are a "positive person", you should be able to recognize that negative feedback can be taken positively or constructively. But what I've seen from you so far, is that you've been going into threads just to express your displeasure and stamp a good discussion out.

On my very first day on these forums, I saw you shooing people off a thread just because you were not interested in WoW. And here, when people are talking about roleplayers, I see you doing something similar.

The main thing that draws my "ire" is that because of your posts, people may be discouraged to carry on, or they change their arguments to take a more defensive angle. I don't know how much information I am potentially missing out on because of that.

Of course, since am looking from the lens of an outsider, I am more inclined to probe for more details rather than take a stance for or against the bashing of, for example, WSI or hardcore RPers. But perhaps I should be more sensitive to people more emotionally invested in either subject.

[TSMDude]

Aelis Eine wrote...

And I don't think I've spent more than 5 minutes on TSM before deciding it wasn't my kind of server.

I am effectively retired from NWN in that I don't play NWN regularly, though I do check back on some old favorites now and then and keep a lookout for upcoming servers to try.

Spending 5 minutes just fyi on any server is not judging a server for its worth...if I had just done 5 minutes then I would have missed out on the wonderments of Thay, the backstabings and fun of City of Arabel and the lifelong foolish friends I made from Forgotten realms Cormyr.

5 minutes is what it takes to reheat pizza or a hot pocket not delve into something that might have taken its creators upwards towards 200 plus hours to make. (And I would dare say every PW out there took longer than that I would hope.) To give a server only 5 minutes is rude to the maker of said module in more ways than one.

Aelis Eine wrote...

Anyway, since you claim that by nature you are a "positive person", you should be able to recognize that negative feedback can be taken positively or constructively. But what I've seen from you so far, is that you've been going into threads just to express your displeasure and stamp a good discussion out.

Not true if you look back on about the last few hundred of my post and even further back to the orginal board. I have sent folks several times scripts and build mods, offered advice when asked and commented on several awesome add-ons I have seen done. Have there been times I have responded or called out someone? Of course there has. Have I always been on the right? Nope...but neither have I always been in the wrong and while I may be passionite about my stances I in no way slam another for liking action NWN servers vs hardcore rp servers vs SP modules.

Aelis Eine wrote...

On my very first day on these forums, I saw you shooing people off a thread just because you were not interested in WoW. And here, when people are talking about roleplayers, I see you doing something similar.

The main thing that draws my "ire" is that because of your posts, people may be discouraged to carry on, or they change their arguments to take a more defensive angle. I don't know how much information I am potentially missing out on because of that.

Well, if it is WoW info I care very little if you miss out on that here. This is not a WoW board thank the true gods. I make no secret I do not like WoW or Evercrack or any of the other games. i like NWN and that is why I am here on a NWN forum section. i rarely venture out into other games because besides PnP and LARP I like NWN. Did I mention that I like NWN on a NWN forum site?

Aelis Eine wrote...

Of course, since am looking from the lens of an outsider, I am more inclined to probe for more details rather than take a stance for or against the bashing of, for example, WSI or hardcore RPers. But perhaps I should be more sensitive to people more emotionally invested in either subject.

 Emotionally invested or not is not the problem. There is no outsider in a Community unless you make yourself one. This is the NWN Community and by some extension a slice of our own DnD Community at times.

I make no illusions that I myself have been in the wrong before and wonders never cease I will be again. Yet on this subject I think I might be on the right for once...quick someone tell my wife....and it seems two times now we have had to bump heads. I am sorry for that but as I said above...diametrically opposed and all that seems to me to be a good fit for our interactions....

By any chance to you normally play elves?

[AngelRogue]

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I came into this thread awhile ago, friend. And it seems to me we are diametrically opposed. I had no problem with angelrogue stating his displeasure but his naming and then contuinal harping of one server was too much.
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Actually I only made two posts, despite people continuing to put me down over it. And only one of those posts focused on the server I truely disliked. And that was only because of what was said about my disliking the server FROM that server's people. If you look back, you'll see that the harping were from them. 

Anyway, I don't think that RP is on the decline. Just as people move forward with the things that want out of RP, thier tastes become more defined. Hence, everyone spending so much time server hopping so that they can find that certain big bad that they are looking for. 

And yes, I do play elves

Modifié par AngelRogue, 07 mai 2011 - 04:08 .