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[ADLegend21]

Just creating a thread for my opinions on why certian squaddies are hated. Here's the list:

Virmire Survivor: as there's already a thread for one of them, I'll keep it brief. They're the main human squadmate from the first game and the reason range from "Shes racist" which is untrue, to "he's a whiner" which is also untrue. In Mass effect 2 they call Shepard on her/his BS relationship with Cerberus and Gasp! they show that they are able to think for themselves and do not come with you! (this is no joke, I've literally seen people say it's because they didn't come with Shepard and give into them.)

Jacob: He's stable. He's got an incredibly sad LM but does he complain about it? Nope. Doeshe burden shepar with his thoughts and feelings about it? Nope. Does he look for Shepard to give him some profound advice on dealing with it? Nope. He's already over it by the time he's chatting witht eh Illusive man on how it even got to the Normandy! Is ay this because there's even some dialouge where sfemshep can try to "fix him" and he Dumps her. Cooooold blooded Mr. Taylor +25 respect from this forumite. No other squadmate has the power to DUMP Shepard. (Samara rejects you, yes but at the last moment. Jacob just flat out tells you to GTFO) Players hate that (myself included when I unwittingly walked into it) and it could be  a big reason why Jacob has some heat on him (outside of Hale's VA with him)

Garrus: this is just from my POV, since Garrus is one of the most popular characters in the series. Personally I can't stand his whining and hot headedness. His first 2 convo's in Mass Effect 1 are him complainaing about Red Tape and how they stop him when he's being hotheaded. He and my paragon Shep's do no get along and end up with him having to back down from his POV becuase of how hot headed he is. Also his "let the council die" line scared me:
"the council MUST be sacraficed.  Leave the destiny ascension and focus the human fleet on Sovereign."
Oh Hey TIM, I dind't know you had a Garrus costume. Seriously? you hate red tape that much? someone's not killing Sidonis in two years.

Tali: Honestly, Ic ould take the easy way out and say her fans, but I will not. Tali is a racist. Not a gainst humans (obviously) not against Turians, or salarians, or asari, not even against the Krogan. she's racist against the Geth. in her conversation where she explains the Mourning War she says clearly that the Quarians attacked the Geth when theyw ere nearing sentience and were effectivly driven from their homeworld. All of shepard's lines tell her the Quarians got wha thtey deserved and she says "oh no, they were going to attack anyway we just started it before we even tried peaceful negotiations,since beings of logic are beyond peace." Now I'm sure I'd have beleived that if I played ME1 in 2007 but seeing as I did in 2010 I have prior knowledge of a Geth Platform telling me "We preserve the creator homeworld for their return, we harbor no ill wil for the creators." Tali has an obvious prejudice to wher she even holds Legion at gun point for trying to reveal the sick experiements the quarians were doing to the Geth. Shepard's paragon response puts it perfectly "I'd tell the Alliance if those experiements were on Humans."  Legion had Every right to warn the Geth about the experiements and the fact that Tali can't handle it shows taht despite completeing her pilgrimmage she's nowhere near as mature as she needs to be. I'd honestly swap her out with Koris because at least he's open to Peace because he knows the Quarians are in the wrong. Other than hat Tali's a fine character.

Miranda: She's on Shepard's level. She's as close to an equal (pending the filling in of the VS's time during Shepard's death"  Shepard has. She's incredibly intelligent, and amazing leader, extrordinalriy talent in combat  incredibly beautiful and she knows it. She rubs alot of people the wrong way, but despite that she gets the job done. She's the perfect XO for shepard because she's a task manager and knows the squad's strengths and weaknesses and can plan accordingly. I'd have no worries should Shepard have to leave the Normandy for an extended period of time during ME3 because I know Miri's got it under control.

Welp, there's my take on why those character's recieve alot of heat around the BSN. take what you will from it.

[Brownfinger]

I've never thought about it much, but yeah, I guess there is a lot of hate for Miranda, huh? I know my girlfriend can't stand her. XD For the same reasons that I think she's bold and interesting, too.

[Eiliestl]

I get why Tali's hated . But not Miranda,Garrus and Jacob. Some people are morons .

[Antivenger]

I never saw the appeal in Garrus or Tali either. At first I thought it might have something to do with them being aliens, but then I thought it more likely that it also extends to people adding their own head canon to the characters. To each his own, I guess?

Jacob is 'kay in my book. 'Nuff said.

Miranda.. just putting it out here, her and Tali's romance-entry dialogues made me really uncomfortable. Other than that, her intelligence and leadership skills are offset by her ****iness.I wouldn't judge her combat prowess because in-game she doesn't really do much but I have no idea how she well she handles herself story-wise. Her loyalty mission PO'd me a bit also, she accuses Niket of not coming to her about Oriana, when she herself didn't come to him when she kidnapped a baby. Justified or not, it's still hypocritical.

**** Rooster / Smug confidence.

Modifié par Antivenger, 01 mai 2011 - 06:37 .

[Phoenix92254]

The reason you say people hate Miranda is the exact reason she is my favorite character right behind Wrex, no love interest matches Shep better than Miri. Your reason for Tali is the exact reason I don't like her, she is racist much more than Ashley and I don't understand the outpouring of love for her.

[Seboist]

Jacob is "hated" because he's just flat out unremarkable,his personality and history is bland. He's literally just a security guard who was in the right place and time and stuck around for no adequately explained reason. He's just like Chakwas and Gardner, he's just.... there.

Kaidan had a similar issue back in ME1 but at least he had an interesting backstory to fall back on and an enjoyable femshep romance(which is sadly her only good romance).

[ADLegend21]

Seboist wrote...

Jacob is "hated" because he's just flat out unremarkable,his personality and history is bland. He's literally just a security guard who was in the right place and time and stuck around for no adequately explained reason. He's just like Chakwas and Gardner, he's just.... there.

Kaidan had a similar issue back in ME1 but at least he had an interesting backstory to fall back on and an enjoyable femshep romance(which is sadly her only good romance).

it's funny you say taht, but you Have a zaeed support Banner. side by Side Jacob's way more interesting than Zaeed because at least in Jacob's story about saving the council involves, you know, saving people other than him. personal preference I guess.

[Seboist]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Jacob is "hated" because he's just flat out unremarkable,his personality and history is bland. He's literally just a security guard who was in the right place and time and stuck around for no adequately explained reason. He's just like Chakwas and Gardner, he's just.... there.

Kaidan had a similar issue back in ME1 but at least he had an interesting backstory to fall back on and an enjoyable femshep romance(which is sadly her only good romance).

it's funny you say taht, but you Have a zaeed support Banner. side by Side Jacob's way more interesting than Zaeed because at least in Jacob's story about saving the council involves, you know, saving people other than him. personal preference I guess.

Zaeed is a badass merc who makes funny comments in missions and tells great stories. Jacob on the other hand doesn't say anything real interesting and refuses to talk about things that don't seem like a big deal.

Too bad Zaeed isn't a LI for my femshep.

[Merlin 47]

Kaidan....interesting backstory? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Uhh....I didn't see it.  He was WAAAAY too boring.  Jacob had the more interesting backstory.  I wanted to know more about his time as a Corsair!

ADLegend21 wrote...

Miranda: She's on Shepard's level. She's as close to an equal (pending the filling in of the VS's time during Shepard's death"  Shepard has. She's incredibly intelligent, and amazing leader, extrordinalriy talent in combat

Yes...she is that....and that doesn't bother me.  What DOES bother me is that she's this....Ice Queen to everyone, except for Shepard (if she warms up to you that is).  I don't like members that have this "I'm-better-than-you" attiude.  She's the only one I saw this with.

ADLegend21 wrote...
[I]ncredibly beautiful and she knows it. She rubs alot of people the wrong way, but despite that she gets the job done.

The first part is debatable (but not here).  The second part.....I guess she gets the job  done...but that really doesn't bother me either.

ADLegend21 wrote...
She's the perfect XO for shepard because she's a task manager and knows the squad's strengths and weaknesses and can plan accordingly.

No....she's not the perfect XO for MY Shepard.  From what I've seen, she doesn't command any respect from the crew.  That's what Garrus does; HE'S the perfect XO for my Shep's ship.  This is one of the biggest problems I have with Miranda.  She "assumes" she's the XO.

ADLegend21 wrote...
I'd have no worries should Shepard have to leave the Normandy for an extended period of time during ME3 because I know Miri's got it under control.

I'd have BIG worries.  I'd rather let Joker and EDI take care of that; I trust them to do the job.  Miri is one hell of a tactician, I'll give her that.  Leadership material?  Leading an all human squad, sure.  But I'd rather have Garrus, who can lead a squad and get respect from that squad at the same time without demeaning comments.

[gosimmons]

I think every squaddie has some positive and negative traits.

Some people feel Jacob is too bland. Others the straight man, he's stable enough to deal with his problems. Though you can complain that his romance path can make Femshep sound a bit, creepy at times. lol

Some appreciate Miranda's Intelligence and skill. Some feel she comes off as too abrasive, and then there's the fanservice you have to get around.

Some like Garrus for trusting you, witty dialogue, and insight on black and white morality (or just being BA). But his character suffers from lack of dialogue unless you romance him. (Hence infamous Calibration meme)

People have complained about Tali's large and creepy fanbase. And the racism against the geth.
Meanwhile I've seen every fanbase have, eccentrics. >>
And honestly, I can see why people wouldn't want to except blame and ostracism for something there ancestors did. Until Legion, I wouldn't have really felt anything for the geth either. And Tali and him can work together in the end, so good sign for the future.

But in the end it's all your own preferences. People react differently to different characters. That's why we have variety.

[Made Nightwing]

Ah yes, 'XO Garrus', the turian vigilante that hates paperwork and red tape, and got his whole team killed. We have dismissed this claim.

The job of an XO in any military organisation is not to be popular, it is to keep the paperwork under control, make sure logistics are in order, and when necessary take command of the unit in the absence of the CO.

When 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry went into Ia Drang under Colonel Moore, where do you think the Battalion XO was? Inspiring trust Garrus style? That's a negative. Major Henry was at Landing Zone Falcon, organizing shipments of ammunition and supplies to the combat zone.

Miranda is the ideal XO in this regard. She is the only one on the ship with 24hr access to the Illusive Man. She is the only one on the ship who can get Cerberus to deliver weapons, ammunition and equipment. Trust has ZERO, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THSI JOB!

So from an IC perspective, you are going to NEED Miranda as XO, so you can get your weapons, fuel, spare parts, ammo and medical supplies shipped to you on time. Now, I know Garrus is trusted more, but given how many times he states how he hates paper he WOULD NOT BE A GOOD XO.

Argument over.

[Eiliestl]

Some will be love and others for some reasons of their own will hate them. Time for this thread t die.

Modifié par Eiliestl, 01 mai 2011 - 08:50 .

[Alienmorph]

Meh, the reasons are esentially two:

- Personal tastes.

- The need of the most moronic users to spam against who doesn't share their opinions.

Every character has his/her interesting features and his/her flaws, and a fanbase made equally of normal/polite fans and noisy/creepy ones. There's not much else to say, except that would 10 times better if everyone simply enjoyed his/her favourite characters instead of trying continuosly to analize why not everyone like or dislike them, or even to start silly forum feuds between the various fanbases.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 01 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[Barquiel]

Merlin 47 wrote...

No....she's not the perfect XO for MY Shepard.  From what I've seen, she doesn't command any respect from the crew. 

Miranda is highly respected...you should listen to the crew banter.

[Antivenger]

Barquiel wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

No....she's not the perfect XO for MY Shepard.  From what I've seen, she doesn't command any respect from the crew. 

Miranda is highly respected...you should listen to the crew banter.

Which ones? I think Rolston was grateful for her relocating his family. Ken just likes her ":D:D"s.

Modifié par Antivenger, 01 mai 2011 - 09:22 .

[Made Nightwing]

Antivenger wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

No....she's not the perfect XO for MY Shepard.  From what I've seen, she doesn't command any respect from the crew. 

Miranda is highly respected...you should listen to the crew banter.

Which ones? I think Rolston was grateful for her relocating his family. Ken just likes her ":D:D"s.

I remember that conversation between Rolston and the other one. My first playthrough, I was being pretty nasty to Miranda. Then I thought:

"Huh, someone arranged for his family to be evacuated. Someone with high level access, considering Rolston's comms would be restricted. *le gasp* Miranda!"

I was much nicer to her after that.

[Chickenaut]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Tali: Honestly, Ic ould take the easy way out and say her fans, but I will not. Tali is a racist. Not a gainst humans (obviously) not against Turians, or salarians, or asari, not even against the Krogan. she's racist against the Geth. in her conversation where she explains the Mourning War she says clearly that the Quarians attacked the Geth when theyw ere nearing sentience and were effectivly driven from their homeworld. All of shepard's lines tell her the Quarians got wha thtey deserved and she says "oh no, they were going to attack anyway we just started it before we even tried peaceful negotiations,since beings of logic are beyond peace." Now I'm sure I'd have beleived that if I played ME1 in 2007 but seeing as I did in 2010 I have prior knowledge of a Geth Platform telling me "We preserve the creator homeworld for their return, we harbor no ill wil for the creators." Tali has an obvious prejudice to wher she even holds Legion at gun point for trying to reveal the sick experiements the quarians were doing to the Geth. Shepard's paragon response puts it perfectly "I'd tell the Alliance if those experiements were on Humans."  Legion had Every right to warn the Geth about the experiements and the fact that Tali can't handle it shows taht despite completeing her pilgrimmage she's nowhere near as mature as she needs to be. I'd honestly swap her out with Koris because at least he's open to Peace because he knows the Quarians are in the wrong. Other than hat Tali's a fine character.

It's easy to tell someone racist then forgot that ourselves is a racist. To blame a species for some person's action that belong to that species (which is already dead) is unfair and downright racism on your part. Shepard's line already racist by blaming whole quarian race responsible of geth rebellion. Tali told us that The geth being sentience are in still question at the time, I mean how come someone knew that some being is sentience or not based on a couple conversation. Just talk to any Turing tester that they found hard to tell which is human or machine just by talking to them (through console) just from couple conversation, even today's AI already succesfully fooled human that they are sentience/human, which is not.

You also don't understand how computer works. Computer are deterministic, even using a quantum transistor, it still followed whatever logic gate that was implemented. It works on binary, one and zero, or in this case black and white, any mathematical equation that run through it must produce a deterministic result within the scope of variable. What Tali said are a fact from programmer point of view. There also another consideration, Through converstation to legion that the geth already reach consensus that any comunication to another race is useless prior to shepard defeating the reaper. You also forgot the fact that the geth are not organic or behave like organic, not to mention legion consider it as racism! How we could deduce if the geth wanted peace if they dont have any intention to communicate? (which legion attempt to communicate to shepard are in suspect)
 

This bring me why i hate legion/geth/heretic, legion pictured to be a logical being, without emotion, that the geth don't followed concept of morality because the concept of morality are based on emotion, which is an organic quality. any decision it take follow the economy of numbers. Like accountant that make decision based on profit. But here's the kicker, Logic is just a structure (dr richard feynman said that and of course any Mathematician will said that). Logic just processing the reason if it's consistent or not. The reason it self are based on emotion! ( neurosience experiment conformed it, it use by as the basic of cognitive science, and guess what it also the basic for today AI development! Plato already realized it and if you want learn it further read Jonah Lehrer: Passions Of The Brain). In all Legion explanation didn't make any sense! geth sentienceship already broke laws of physic! Emotion/fear is not hardware error but part of the system! The system that we human call as sentience or sapient. I could only conclude that Legion racist because it said that all organic behavior only based on fear discounting that organic had more emotion than one. Any smart being will not said that. any uncontrolled emotion (or in this case unemotional) racism being will said that. And that the geth justification  to kill organic for 300 hundreds year despite citadel attempt to communicate, any unlucky organic pass through perseus veil, kill asari tourist in rannoch that didn't knew what's happening, any quarian children that died not knowing what their parent did.

But hey you could call me a harcore talimancer, so anything i said should be treated as suspect, even my english are not fluent, but i know my opinion based on study, experience and long contemplation, from what i read from your statement, i couldn't say the same thing about you.

Modifié par Chickenaut, 01 mai 2011 - 02:23 .

[ADLegend21]

Chickenaut wrote...

It's easy to tell someone racist then forgot that ourselves is a racist. To blame a species for some person's action that belong to that species (which is already dead) is unfair and downright racism on your part. Shepard's line already racist by blaming whole quarian race responsible of geth rebellion. Tali told us that The geth being sentience are in still question at the time, I mean how come someone knew that some being is sentience or not based on a couple conversation. Just talk to any Turing tester that they found hard to tell which is human or machine just by talking to them (through console) just from couple conversation, even today's AI already succesfully fooled human that they are sentience/human, which is not.

You also don't understand how computer works. Computer are deterministic, even using a quantum transistor, it still followed whatever logic gate that was implemented. It works on binary, one and zero, or in this case black and white, any mathematical equation that run through it must produce a deterministic result within the scope of variable. What Tali said are a fact from programmer point of view. There also another consideration, Through converstation to legion that the geth already reach consensus that any comunication to another race is useless prior to shepard defeating the reaper. You also forgot the fact that the geth are not organic or behave like organic, not to mention legion consider it as racism! How we could deduce if the geth wanted peace if they dont have any intention to communicate? (which legion attempt to communicate to shepard are in suspect)
 

This bring me why i hate legion/geth/heretic, legion pictured to be a logical being, without emotion, that the geth don't followed concept of morality because the concept of morality are based on emotion, which is an organic quality. any decision it take follow the economy of numbers. Like accountant that make decision based on profit. But here's the kicker, Logic is just a structure (dr richard feynman said that and of course any Mathematician will said that). Logic just processing the reason if it's consistent or not. The reason it self are based on emotion! ( neurosience experiment conformed it, it use by as the basic of cognitive science, and guess what it also the basic for today AI development! Plato already realized it and if you want learn it further read Jonah Lehrer: Passions Of The Brain). In all Legion explanation didn't make any sense! geth sentienceship already broke laws of physic! Emotion/fear is not hardware error but part of the system! The system that we human call as sentience or sapient. I could only conclude that Legion racist because it said that all organic behavior only based on fear discounting that organic had more emotion than one. Any smart being will not said that. any uncontrolled emotion (or in this case unemotional) racism being will said that. And that the geth justification  to kill organic for 300 hundreds year despite citadel attempt to communicate, any unlucky organic pass through perseus veil, kill asari tourist in rannoch that didn't knew what's happening, any quarian children that died not knowing what their parent did.

But hey you could call me a harcore talimancer, so anything i said should be treated as suspect, even my english are not fluent, but i know my opinion based on study, experience and long contemplation, from what i read from your statement, i couldn't say the same thing about you.

Going by Paragraph:

1.)I'm not blaming Tali for the Mourning war, I'm blaming her for not seeing how her people were wrong to attempt Genocide which apparently is the main mindset of the curret Quarians. Also, all of my Shepard's give Legion a chance because he's proven he's not the same as the geth from ME1 (saves Shepard from a husk ambush and gets her into the reaper core.) He also talks, not jsut the  nosies from ME1. that's more than Tali would have done.

2.)Communication was useless because the Quarians were telling the council"oh they hate organics, we tried to stop them but they kicked us off our homeworld" hard to get someone's ear when they think you hate them, n matter how untrue to accusations were.

3.) You say they don't experience emotion, but Legion has a recording of an early Geth asking if it has a soul. REason can be based on cause and effect. go to war-> cause death. Make peace -> Return Creators to homeworld. Oh yeah Legion's racist, is that why goes to organic space to study organics? to team up with one and show no ill will towards his creator's who tried to extinguish his people,which he can probably remember since all geth share memories and have logged them for centuries? H'es not hostile even on the Quarian Flotilla. the Perfect chance to wipe out the Quarians, disable their ships and signal the true geth (or reveal he's a heretic) to wipe out the migrant fleet once and for all. Does that happen? no. He talksto the admiralty board and even tells Koris that the Geth would be open to peaceful negotiations ofthe creators donot attack during them because when they've thought victory was ossible, they attacked 100% of the time. as for the Geth attacking Asari turists on Rannoch, they're preserving the homeworld, outside germs would harm the Quarians due to their incredibly weak immune systems, so they were probably killed, then decontimated so their germs would not spread over Rannoch and then the Quarians die of an asari illness when they return. They're keeping it how it was when the Quarians left.

Oh trust me, I've played ME1 and 2 enough to know what I'm talking about when it comes to racism in the game, but your Opinion is very intelligent even with you claiming to be a hardcore talimancer.

[ADLegend21]

Seboist wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Jacob is "hated" because he's just flat out unremarkable,his personality and history is bland. He's literally just a security guard who was in the right place and time and stuck around for no adequately explained reason. He's just like Chakwas and Gardner, he's just.... there.

Kaidan had a similar issue back in ME1 but at least he had an interesting backstory to fall back on and an enjoyable femshep romance(which is sadly her only good romance).

it's funny you say taht, but you Have a zaeed support Banner. side by Side Jacob's way more interesting than Zaeed because at least in Jacob's story about saving the council involves, you know, saving people other than him. personal preference I guess.

Zaeed is a badass merc who makes funny comments in missions and tells great stories. Jacob on the other hand doesn't say anything real interesting and refuses to talk about things that don't seem like a big deal.

Too bad Zaeed isn't a LI for my femshep.

No, he's a hotheaded mercenary who thorws people away so he can survive suicide missions and kill people he hates. What's the point of waisting time talking about things that aren't a big deal? it's wasting time on an important mission.

[Seboist]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Jacob is "hated" because he's just flat out unremarkable,his personality and history is bland. He's literally just a security guard who was in the right place and time and stuck around for no adequately explained reason. He's just like Chakwas and Gardner, he's just.... there.

Kaidan had a similar issue back in ME1 but at least he had an interesting backstory to fall back on and an enjoyable femshep romance(which is sadly her only good romance).

it's funny you say taht, but you Have a zaeed support Banner. side by Side Jacob's way more interesting than Zaeed because at least in Jacob's story about saving the council involves, you know, saving people other than him. personal preference I guess.

Zaeed is a badass merc who makes funny comments in missions and tells great stories. Jacob on the other hand doesn't say anything real interesting and refuses to talk about things that don't seem like a big deal.

Too bad Zaeed isn't a LI for my femshep.

No, he's a hotheaded mercenary who thorws people away so he can survive suicide missions and kill people he hates. What's the point of waisting time talking about things that aren't a big deal? it's wasting time on an important mission.

Zaeed also talks about missions Shepard completed in ME2 and makes comments about other squadmates. Which is something Jacob and the rest of the crew for that matter (except Kasumi) don't do.

Zaeed is a good man.

[ADLegend21]

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed also talks about missions Shepard completed in ME2 and makes comments about other squadmates. Which is something Jacob and the rest of the crew for that matter (except Kasumi) don't do.

Zaeed is a good man.

he's a DLC character so he can only make comments on the crew (joker does so wth who you went out on the last mission with)  Also a good man, doesn't let civilians die he can kill one man. I don't let him kill Vido anymore, but I do take him on mission that cripple the blue suns because I refuse to let civilians die to make on man happy.

[Seboist]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed also talks about missions Shepard completed in ME2 and makes comments about other squadmates. Which is something Jacob and the rest of the crew for that matter (except Kasumi) don't do.

Zaeed is a good man.

he's a DLC character so he can only make comments on the crew (joker does so wth who you went out on the last mission with)  Also a good man, doesn't let civilians die he can kill one man. I don't let him kill Vido anymore, but I do take him on mission that cripple the blue suns because I refuse to let civilians die to make on man happy.

Vido was a scumbag that's behind a lot of the blue sun's misdeeds in ME2. He had to be taken out and my femshep was happy to oblige.

He's the kind of guy I'd like to "get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel" with as Jacob would say.

[Labrev]

Jack: she has a personality that puts a lot of people off, makes a very bad first impression and for some they'll never get over that. She just makes herself hard to like, so it basically comes down to the player's willingness to peel off the layers and really get to know her, and then whether or not they are into the high-maintenance types. Some players probably are flat-out not man enough to handle her =P

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed also talks about missions Shepard completed in ME2 and makes comments about other squadmates. Which is something Jacob and the rest of the crew for that matter (except Kasumi) don't do.

Zaeed is a good man.

he's a DLC character so he can only make comments on the crew (joker does so wth who you went out on the last mission with)  Also a good man, doesn't let civilians die he can kill one man. I don't let him kill Vido anymore, but I do take him on mission that cripple the blue suns because I refuse to let civilians die to make on man happy.

Vido was a scumbag that's behind a lot of the blue sun's misdeeds in ME2. He had to be taken out and my femshep was happy to oblige.

He's the kind of guy I'd like to "get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel" with as Jacob would say.

Yep. As Wrex would say, "He's rotten. To the core." You saw what he did at the refinery, he enslaved workers and killed others, leaving them to rot in the jungle. Let Vido get away, and he'll probably do that to more people.

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed also talks about missions Shepard completed in ME2 and makes comments about other squadmates. Which is something Jacob and the rest of the crew for that matter (except Kasumi) don't do.

Zaeed is a good man.

he's a DLC character so he can only make comments on the crew (joker does so wth who you went out on the last mission with)  Also a good man, doesn't let civilians die he can kill one man. I don't let him kill Vido anymore, but I do take him on mission that cripple the blue suns because I refuse to let civilians die to make on man happy.

Vido was a scumbag that's behind a lot of the blue sun's misdeeds in ME2. He had to be taken out and my femshep was happy to oblige.

He's the kind of guy I'd like to "get loud and spill some drinks on the citadel" with as Jacob would say.

Yep. As Wrex would say, "He's rotten. To the core." You saw what he did at the refinery, he enslaved workers and killed others, leaving them to rot in the jungle. Let Vido get away, and he'll probably do that to more people.

His worst crime was having Zaeed shot in the face. Now, there are a lot of things i'd let slide but when it comes to harming my boy Zaeed, someone's gonna have a cap busted in their ass.