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[Golden Owl]

mrsph wrote...

jacobOriley wrote...
Ahhh, but is it a crime on Omega, where the only law is not to fu*k with Aria?

Vigilantism ****s with Aria.

Though Garrus avoided Aria...she states this herself.

[lolwut666]

Siansonea II wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Rock on, Soul Sister.

I'm a guy, though.

Just FYI.

And I'm an old lady. I thought we were doing cross-gender greetings. I thought it was one of those new things like, when girls call other girls "dude". I can't keep up with all the lingo you young people come up with...

OIC

I just assume everybody I talk to over the Internet is a man until I'm told otherwise.

Sorry about that.

[jacobOriley]

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[JaerWolfe]

Arcian wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Arcian wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

That makes Garrus a coward.

No, that makes him a sniper.

Jesus Christ.

Wrong. Garrus was not at war. Garrus had not been given orders to take out an enemy target. He was acting on his own to feed his own narcissitic need.

What would you have him do? You'd have to be quite naive to expect people to behave rationally and fair after losing their best friends, especially to a former best friend. And of-f***ing-course it was all about vengeance, that's was the whole point of his goddamn loyalty mission. It's called "Eye for an Eye" for christ's sake. Cowardice has nothing to do with it. Vengeance and justice are two very similiar things, the difference being that vengeance isn't fair. Ask Anders.

And yes, it makes him a sniper. He is a sniper. He snipes people. That's what he does. Sidonis stabbed him and his friends in the back. Garrus planned to snipe him, because that's what he does because he's a goddamn sniper. How hard can it be?

Hate on Garrus all you want, I personally don't mind, but try to make sense.

I will answer you once in the spirit of discussion. If you persist in getting all het up and emotional, however, I will bow out of any further discourse.
Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. Because Garrus is emotional and upset it is okay for him to murder an unarmed turian in a public place, is that what you are saying?
Again, I have no problem with Garrus wanting vengeance. I have a problem with under what conditions Garrus finds vengeance acceptable. I see him as no different than Zaeed during his LM, putting vengeance above all other considerations, including that of innocent bystanders.
Any person shooting a nonthreatening, unarmed person is a coward. No ifs. No buts. No callbacks. Snipers, under orders, are exempt. When Garrus shoots Sidonis he is not a sniper, he is an assassin with sniper skills. One too afraid of Sidonis to face him man to man...turian to turian...so he shoots him. I won't put in the back because I honestly don't remember if Sidonis was walking away or not when Garrus took the shot. I don't believe it was an option I ever chose.
As for hating Garrus...I have no emotional investment in Garrus past disdain. He dies in most of my SMs because he is unloyal.

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:19 .

[PMC65]

Ymladdych wrote...

Plus her social awkwardness seems contrived to lend credence to this idea that a beautiful, sexually liberated Asari would still be a virgin.

I can't help but think of her response if you call her that. She is not a "virgin" in the way we humans think. She has never melded .... but I remember Shepards dalliance with Sha'ira (the consort) and the one thing that stood out ... it would appear that she did not meld (black eye thingy) with Shep either.

I personally don't think that Liara is as innocent as she appears. She is shrewd, intelligent, 106 years old and in a semi-hostile environment ..... She is on her guard. Liara can also lie without losing her air of innocence ... as noted on Noveria when she says that she does not know the Matriarch. I almost believe her and I know the truth.

She can be "frustrated" with Shepard at times and even throws a little attitude the 1st time you meet if you get on her about touching things she doesn't understand. She really gets frustrated with Shep in LotSB and I think she was close to punching my Shep. I just wish that the other LI's would get that kind of DLC, where they can have a playdate with Shepard. That would be cool!

[jamesp81]

lolwut666 wrote...

@Siansonea II

I seems to me that you are convinced that your choices are purely Paragon, but to me they fall more along the lines of Lawful Neutral.

If you agree that what Rael did was wrong, why would you want the quarians to suffer for his mistakes? Because that's what's gonna happen if you give the data to the Admiralty board.

The quarians can either carry on with their lives in blissful ignorance, or enter a state of panic that will shatter their society.

If you talk to Tali after the mission, she even tells you that a lot of quarians have actually left the Migrant Fleet because of what happened.

Following the law blindly does not make you a "true" Paragon.

Blind adherence to the law is one of the several rest stops on the road to hell.  I guess that makes me a neutral good

[Siansonea]

jamesp81 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@Siansonea II

I seems to me that you are convinced that your choices are purely Paragon, but to me they fall more along the lines of Lawful Neutral.

If you agree that what Rael did was wrong, why would you want the quarians to suffer for his mistakes? Because that's what's gonna happen if you give the data to the Admiralty board.

The quarians can either carry on with their lives in blissful ignorance, or enter a state of panic that will shatter their society.

If you talk to Tali after the mission, she even tells you that a lot of quarians have actually left the Migrant Fleet because of what happened.

Following the law blindly does not make you a "true" Paragon.

Blind adherence to the law is one of the several rest stops on the road to hell.  I guess that makes me a neutral good

Well, let's hope you don't find yourself having to decide whether to actually tell the truth in someone's trial for TREASON. It's not like we're talking about Shepard telling his homeowner's association to eff off because they sent him a notice saying that he has too much red paint color on the exterior of the Normandy. It's TREASON. You're LYING in an official TRIAL. Personally, I think that's a crappy thing to do. That's not being a "stickler for the rules". That's not "blind adherence". That's not being a whistleblower for jaywalkers. Come ON.

[Quole]

Siansonea II wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

@Siansonea II

I seems to me that you are convinced that your choices are purely Paragon, but to me they fall more along the lines of Lawful Neutral.

If you agree that what Rael did was wrong, why would you want the quarians to suffer for his mistakes? Because that's what's gonna happen if you give the data to the Admiralty board.

The quarians can either carry on with their lives in blissful ignorance, or enter a state of panic that will shatter their society.

If you talk to Tali after the mission, she even tells you that a lot of quarians have actually left the Migrant Fleet because of what happened.

Following the law blindly does not make you a "true" Paragon.

Blind adherence to the law is one of the several rest stops on the road to hell.  I guess that makes me a neutral good

Well, let's hope you don't find yourself having to decide whether to actually tell the truth in someone's trial for TREASON. It's not like we're talking about Shepard telling his homeowner's association to eff off because they sent him a notice saying that he has too much red paint color on the exterior of the Normandy. It's TREASON. You're LYING in an official TRIAL. Personally, I think that's a crappy thing to do. That's not being a "stickler for the rules". That's not "blind adherence". That's not being a whistleblower for jaywalkers. Come ON.

...and telling the truth in that trial would only encourage the quarians to go to war. Something that would make both them and geth vulnerable for when the reapers show up. This is even said in game. So lying is entirely justified and actually benefits everyone more. 
The ONLY good that could possibly come out of telling the truth is giving the relatives of the those that died  some comfort... which is something they would get anyway by lying to the admirals. I suppose you might also want to punish Tali`s father as well, but there would be no point because hes dead and the only person you would be punishing is Tali, as well as everyone else (like I said above). So no, theres no reason whatsoever to tell the truth.

I dont understand why people have such a hard time understanding that.

...Oh wait, people are stupid, I forgot.

Modifié par Quole, 07 mai 2011 - 03:06 .