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[Clonedzero]

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

also, people attacking miranda for being a bit mean to jack during their fight, i gotta give miranda a pass for that. if some crazy chick was threatening me "im going to smear the walls with you *****!" and throwing chairs at me, i think i'd say a couple mean things back lol

[Siansonea]

MGIII wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...

Right, I can see your points on other characters, although I disagree on why they're hated, or even if they're hated, but this... Is just random. You say that you're explaining why people hate certain characters, but this part is just why you like her, not why others hate her. I am curious as to why you decided to include this in your post. The only part where this even have some resemblance to the purpose of this thread is ''She rubs alot of people the wrong way'', and despite that that might be true, it's just stating a fact. Not giving a reason as to why that fact is true, which would seem what this thread was made to be.

Most of the Miranda hate stems from the fact that she's obviously made to be attractive to that "18-30 male" crowd, with her tight suit that accentuates her "gifts". So, people just write her off from that attribute alone, and pervert most of her characterization as nothing more than justification to have a "bimbo in space."

I've heard this "bimbo in space" argument myself. I think a lot of people miss the point with Miranda. Yes, BioWare designed the Miranda character model to appeal to 18-30-year-old males (although I'd argue that her appeal is meant for 13-90-year-old males, at least from a physical standpoint). But "in-game", Miranda's look was designed by Miranda herself. Not to pander to males, but to give herself an edge when dealing with them. And with women too, for that matter. Miranda's look is carefully crafted to intimidate people, and it works like a charm. Miranda's not a cheesecake pinup, but a dangerous vixen, and it's all 100% intentional on her part. She's the 'femme fatale' of the Mass Effect series, a role noticeably absent in the first game. People who think she's a bimbo don't give her enough credit. The only true bimbo on the Normandy is Kelly Chambers.

[Nodscouter]

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

Which is your bloody opinion, not the world's.

[Clonedzero]

Nodscouter wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

Which is your bloody opinion, not the world's.

well him not being used as an example in this thread sorta proves my point. people talking about how they hate just about every other character for various reasons, no one has mentioned wrex as the subject of their hate.

people have used ashley's possibly killing of wrex as an example of why they might hate her.

so if you hate wrex let us know why

[Nodscouter]

mrsph wrote...
Wrex: Cliched old, bitter mercenary. Attempts to betray you on Virmire.

Right, obviously this isn't talking about dislike for him.
And as much as I like old, bitter mercenaries, Wrex never appealed to me much. Not neccesilary hate, but more... the lack of care that I feel for Jacob and Liara too (No offense intended)

Modifié par Nodscouter, 01 mai 2011 - 06:52 .

[Siansonea]

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

also, people attacking miranda for being a bit mean to jack during their fight, i gotta give miranda a pass for that. if some crazy chick was threatening me "im going to smear the walls with you *****!" and throwing chairs at me, i think i'd say a couple mean things back lol

This brings up a good point. I think a lot of people don't like a given character because their favorite character doesn't like them in-game. For instance, I would be willing to bet that much of the anti-Jacob sentiment stems from Tali's rude dismissal of him when she joins the crew aboard the Normandy. And his line "Be sure to introduced yourself to EDI, the ship's AI" and Tali's withering look at Jacob no doubt cemented his lack of popularity. It's the 'enemy of my friend is my enemy' syndrome. And naturally it works the other way too, I know Jacob certainly earned points with me for that very exchange, since I dislike Tali.

[MGIII]

Siansonea II wrote...

I've heard this "bimbo in space" argument myself. I think a lot of people miss the point with Miranda. Yes, BioWare designed the Miranda character model to appeal to 18-30-year-old males (although I'd argue that her appeal is meant for 13-90-year-old males, at least from a physical standpoint). But "in-game", Miranda's look was designed by Miranda herself. Not to pander to males, but to give herself an edge when dealing with them. And with women too, for that matter. Miranda's look is carefully crafted to intimidate people, and it works like a charm. Miranda's not a cheesecake pinup, but a dangerous vixen, and it's all 100% intentional on her part. She's the 'femme fatale' of the Mass Effect series, a role noticeably absent in the first game. People who think she's a bimbo don't give her enough credit. The only true bimbo on the Normandy is Kelly Chambers.

Miranda was intimidating for all of two encounters (when she shoots Wilson in cold blood, and when she's straight-up frosty right before you go to Freedom's Progress). After that, she's on her knees for Shepard for the rest of the game. Bioware definitely could've made her more of a challenge.

And Kelly is not a bimbo. She's a believable, nice, flirty girl. I know a lot of people like that, and I can empathize and understand everything Kelly has ever said because of that.

[Nodscouter]

Siansonea II wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

also, people attacking miranda for being a bit mean to jack during their fight, i gotta give miranda a pass for that. if some crazy chick was threatening me "im going to smear the walls with you *****!" and throwing chairs at me, i think i'd say a couple mean things back lol

This brings up a good point. I think a lot of people don't like a given character because their favorite character doesn't like them in-game. For instance, I would be willing to bet that much of the anti-Jacob sentiment stems from Tali's rude dismissal of him when she joins the crew aboard the Normandy. And his line "Be sure to introduced yourself to EDI, the ship's AI" and Tali's withering look at Jacob no doubt cemented his lack of popularity. It's the 'enemy of my friend is my enemy' syndrome. And naturally it works the other way too, I know Jacob certainly earned points with me for that very exchange, since I dislike Tali.

Right.
Oh wait, I meant to say 'wrong', my bad.
Most people analyse the character itself, decide if they like it or not. Few, very few, let their favourite characters decide who the player himself should like or not. Hell, some of my favourite characters in some games are usually at the exact opposite sides of things, like Alistair and Morrigan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the same way.

[Eradyn]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

And here I thought this was going to be a parody thread, which would have been brilliant.  Alas, it is but another recycled thread perpetuating flames and hate.

it's not perpetuating anything, it's based on things I've seen trhoughout the BSN in my time here.if you don't like it, oh well, can't please everyone.

Of course it is.  You misunderstand, however.  I enjoy watching threads like this unfold; it's fascinating and it gives me a fresh opportunity to study the workings of my fellow humans' minds.  I enjoy studying people and I learn a lot about them in such threads. While seeing the "same old same old" is slightly disappointing when I'd hoped, for a moment, for something a little different (which was the impetus for my first post) this is no less entertaining.

As for your topic, there are only two characters I actually dislike, but the root of my dislike is metaverse-driven.  I won't say who they are, although people who know me well enough might be able to take a guess.

[Siansonea]

MGIII wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I've heard this "bimbo in space" argument myself. I think a lot of people miss the point with Miranda. Yes, BioWare designed the Miranda character model to appeal to 18-30-year-old males (although I'd argue that her appeal is meant for 13-90-year-old males, at least from a physical standpoint). But "in-game", Miranda's look was designed by Miranda herself. Not to pander to males, but to give herself an edge when dealing with them. And with women too, for that matter. Miranda's look is carefully crafted to intimidate people, and it works like a charm. Miranda's not a cheesecake pinup, but a dangerous vixen, and it's all 100% intentional on her part. She's the 'femme fatale' of the Mass Effect series, a role noticeably absent in the first game. People who think she's a bimbo don't give her enough credit. The only true bimbo on the Normandy is Kelly Chambers.

Miranda was intimidating for all of two encounters (when she shoots Wilson in cold blood, and when she's straight-up frosty right before you go to Freedom's Progress). After that, she's on her knees for Shepard for the rest of the game. Bioware definitely could've made her more of a challenge.

And Kelly is not a bimbo. She's a believable, nice, flirty girl. I know a lot of people like that, and I can empathize and understand everything Kelly has ever said because of that.

I dunno, I rather liked Miranda's exchanges with Shepard before the first conversation with the Illusive Man. The way she flat out tells Shepard that she would put a control chip in his head was great. She was NOT impressed by Shepard, though she could see Shepard's value as a symbol, until Shepard proved himself/herself. Miranda's personal walls started to come down after she realized that Shepard actually was more than just a symbol.

Kelly is a sweet, likable girl who doesn't demonstrate a great deal of personal power or assertiveness, and doesn't challenge people in any way. She's a submissive personality. In my book, that spells bimbo. I have no respect for girls like this in real life, they are essentially doormats waiting for others to wipe their feet on them. Kelly is duped by Cerberus propaganda to wave the Cerberus flag (something that could also be said of Jacob, actually, but NOT Miranda) and she does her level best to make sure everyone 'likes' her. WHAT a waste of time.

[Siansonea]

mrsph wrote...

The problem is Miranda had two different writers who seemed to be fighting over how she should be portrayed.

Which is why she switches personalities like..two or three times throughout the game.

I don't see her that way at all. If anything, these different 'personalities' actually show character depth, in my opinion. When Shepard first meets Miranda, she's in full-on Work Mode, and she's just been betrayed by one of closest co-workers and supposed allies, Wilson. Then she's assigned to the Normandy by the Illusive Man, and asked to watch over the subject of the not-quite-finished and maybe-not-100%-successful Lazarus Project. So she's guarded, and on the lookout for Shepard to betray Cerberus. After a few missions and conversations with Shepard, she starts to relax a bit, because it's clear that two years of her life on Lazarus Station actually paid off. And then Shepard gets to know her on a personal level, and helps her ensure the safety of the one person in the universe she cares about. So Miranda softens some more. I really liked that progression.

[Siansonea]

Nodscouter wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

also, people attacking miranda for being a bit mean to jack during their fight, i gotta give miranda a pass for that. if some crazy chick was threatening me "im going to smear the walls with you *****!" and throwing chairs at me, i think i'd say a couple mean things back lol

This brings up a good point. I think a lot of people don't like a given character because their favorite character doesn't like them in-game. For instance, I would be willing to bet that much of the anti-Jacob sentiment stems from Tali's rude dismissal of him when she joins the crew aboard the Normandy. And his line "Be sure to introduced yourself to EDI, the ship's AI" and Tali's withering look at Jacob no doubt cemented his lack of popularity. It's the 'enemy of my friend is my enemy' syndrome. And naturally it works the other way too, I know Jacob certainly earned points with me for that very exchange, since I dislike Tali.

Right.
Oh wait, I meant to say 'wrong', my bad.
Most people analyse the character itself, decide if they like it or not. Few, very few, let their favourite characters decide who the player himself should like or not. Hell, some of my favourite characters in some games are usually at the exact opposite sides of things, like Alistair and Morrigan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the same way.

Well, aren't you clever. Congratulations, you have now earned a credit in Sarcasm 101.

I think you give people way too much credit. I doubt the teeming masses are as analytical as you believe, but in any case, it's not something that can really be quantified. So while I may not be able to "prove" my theory, similarly I doubt you can prove that it's baseless.

[Nodscouter]

Siansonea II wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...

[Right.
Oh wait, I meant to say 'wrong', my bad.
Most people analyse the character itself, decide if they like it or not. Few, very few, let their favourite characters decide who the player himself should like or not. Hell, some of my favourite characters in some games are usually at the exact opposite sides of things, like Alistair and Morrigan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the same way.

Well, aren't you clever. Congratulations, you have now earned a credit in Sarcasm 101.

Your generosity honours me greatly.

Siansonea II wrote...
I think you give people way too much credit. I doubt the teeming masses are as analytical as you believe, but in any case, it's not something that can really be quantified. So while I may not be able to "prove" my theory, similarly I doubt you can prove that it's baseless.

I'm not saying that they're making rational analysises, but they do judge the characters on their own merits, not who the other characters they like like.
And no proof needed here, neither will it be found. Rational arguments will have to suffice.

[MGIII]

Siansonea II wrote...

I dunno, I rather liked Miranda's exchanges with Shepard before the first conversation with the Illusive Man. The way she flat out tells Shepard that she would put a control chip in his head was great. She was NOT impressed by Shepard, though she could see Shepard's value as a symbol, until Shepard proved himself/herself. Miranda's personal walls started to come down after she realized that Shepard actually was more than just a symbol.

Kelly is a sweet, likable girl who doesn't demonstrate a great deal of personal power or assertiveness, and doesn't challenge people in any way. She's a submissive personality. In my book, that spells bimbo. I have no respect for girls like this in real life, they are essentially doormats waiting for others to wipe their feet on them. Kelly is duped by Cerberus propaganda to wave the Cerberus flag (something that could also be said of Jacob, actually, but NOT Miranda) and she does her level best to make sure everyone 'likes' her. WHAT a waste of time.

The only convo you have with Miranda before speaking with TIM is right after she shoots Wilson and interrogates you in the shuttle. Her next conversation (the one with the "I would have put a chip in your head") is after TIM, before FP, which is the last time she was intimidating. And I liked it too: she wasn't a pushover then. She was at most professional and at least outright hostile. As the player, I had no illusions she would end me if she felt it the best course of action.

That disappeared the next time you could talk with her.

And I never got the impression that Kelly was a pushover. She gets defensive on numerous occasions, especially when you imply that she's an alien loving bimbo. Go figure.

Modifié par MGIII, 01 mai 2011 - 07:16 .

[Siansonea]

Nodscouter wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Nodscouter wrote...

[Right.
Oh wait, I meant to say 'wrong', my bad.
Most people analyse the character itself, decide if they like it or not. Few, very few, let their favourite characters decide who the player himself should like or not. Hell, some of my favourite characters in some games are usually at the exact opposite sides of things, like Alistair and Morrigan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the same way.

Well, aren't you clever. Congratulations, you have now earned a credit in Sarcasm 101.

Your generosity honours me greatly.

Siansonea II wrote...
I think you give people way too much credit. I doubt the teeming masses are as analytical as you believe, but in any case, it's not something that can really be quantified. So while I may not be able to "prove" my theory, similarly I doubt you can prove that it's baseless.

I'm not saying that they're making rational analysises, but they do judge the characters on their own merits, not who the other characters they like like.
And no proof needed here, neither will it be found. Rational arguments will have to suffice.

Well, speaking from my own observation, I would say that especially among the younger fans we see around here, 'rational analysis' or judging characters on their merits is pretty much out the window. It seems completely hormone driven for them. They're not debating the moral implications of characters' actions, the admirable strengths and understandable weaknesses of characters, the intriguing grey areas of morality, etc. They're more concerned with who is do-able and who is bro-worthy. Characters that don't wear their d'aww-ness or brotastic-ness on their sleeves are overlooked or misunderstood completely. Again, that's just speaking from my own personal observation of their behavior.

[Siansonea]

MGIII wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I dunno, I rather liked Miranda's exchanges with Shepard before the first conversation with the Illusive Man. The way she flat out tells Shepard that she would put a control chip in his head was great. She was NOT impressed by Shepard, though she could see Shepard's value as a symbol, until Shepard proved himself/herself. Miranda's personal walls started to come down after she realized that Shepard actually was more than just a symbol.

Kelly is a sweet, likable girl who doesn't demonstrate a great deal of personal power or assertiveness, and doesn't challenge people in any way. She's a submissive personality. In my book, that spells bimbo. I have no respect for girls like this in real life, they are essentially doormats waiting for others to wipe their feet on them. Kelly is duped by Cerberus propaganda to wave the Cerberus flag (something that could also be said of Jacob, actually, but NOT Miranda) and she does her level best to make sure everyone 'likes' her. WHAT a waste of time.

The only convo you have with Miranda before speaking with TIM is right after she shoots Wilson and interrogates you in the shuttle. Her next conversation (the one with the "I would have put a chip in your head") is after TIM, before FP, which is the last time she was intimidating. And I liked it too: she wasn't a pushover then. She was at most professional and at least outright hostile. As the player, I had no illusions she would end me if she felt it the best course of action.

That disappeared the next time you could talk with her.

And I never got the impression that Kelly was a pushover. She gets defensive on numerous occasions, especially when you imply that she's an alien loving bimbo. Go figure.

I did get the chronology wrong. It's been a while since I played that sequence. And I do think it would have been cool for Miranda to be a little more wary of Shepard once they were on the Normandy SR2. Especially if Shepard had been pursuing Douchegade dialog options with her earlier in the game.

[Therefore_I_Am]

I don't hate any character really, but I do dislike some.
After the first playthrough, Miranda's character started to wear on me as she seemed pompous and followed the cliche of the bad sexy chick who kicks ass in space while wearing catsuits and can never trip and fall with her high heels on during combat... Same goes for Samara/Morinth. Too much of a nerd fantasy.
Ashley seemed to be more realistic when having her as a love interest, Kelly Chambers a close second. Despite what people think about the whole ordeal on Horizon, and I'm not going to go all Dr. Phil herebut it's a pretty believable act that alot of women play out, doesn't matter how irrational it may sound. And if people truly do understand why she did it, and actually been in (or are in) real life relationships, then you would have no reason to hate Ashley.
Now since Kaiden does the same thing, you can say that his implants are flaring up...

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 01 mai 2011 - 07:52 .

[Nodscouter]

Siansonea II wrote...
Well, speaking from my own observation, I would say that especially among the younger fans we see around here, 'rational analysis' or judging characters on their merits is pretty much out the window. It seems completely hormone driven for them. They're not debating the moral implications of characters' actions, the admirable strengths and understandable weaknesses of characters, the intriguing grey areas of morality, etc. They're more concerned with who is do-able and who is bro-worthy. Characters that don't wear their d'aww-ness or brotastic-ness on their sleeves are overlooked or misunderstood completely. Again, that's just speaking from my own personal observation of their behavior.

Right, I'm going to take that as a compliment, seeing as I'm 14, and probably one of the youngest fans here.
And by saying that they're judging them on their own merits, I'm not saying that hey're going like ''Let's see x does y, but also does z, so therefore I should take a few hours to judge whether or not I like x'', I'm saying that if they like the character, it's not because another character they like said ''Oh, that guy's cool'' it's because they themselves said ''Oh, that guy's cool''.
Also note that by ''rational arguments'', I was talking about this particular debate we are in right now.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 01 mai 2011 - 07:48 .

[BobbyTheI]

MGIII wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I dunno, I rather liked Miranda's exchanges with Shepard before the first conversation with the Illusive Man. The way she flat out tells Shepard that she would put a control chip in his head was great. She was NOT impressed by Shepard, though she could see Shepard's value as a symbol, until Shepard proved himself/herself. Miranda's personal walls started to come down after she realized that Shepard actually was more than just a symbol.

Kelly is a sweet, likable girl who doesn't demonstrate a great deal of personal power or assertiveness, and doesn't challenge people in any way. She's a submissive personality. In my book, that spells bimbo. I have no respect for girls like this in real life, they are essentially doormats waiting for others to wipe their feet on them. Kelly is duped by Cerberus propaganda to wave the Cerberus flag (something that could also be said of Jacob, actually, but NOT Miranda) and she does her level best to make sure everyone 'likes' her. WHAT a waste of time.

The only convo you have with Miranda before speaking with TIM is right after she shoots Wilson and interrogates you in the shuttle. Her next conversation (the one with the "I would have put a chip in your head") is after TIM, before FP, which is the last time she was intimidating. And I liked it too: she wasn't a pushover then. She was at most professional and at least outright hostile. As the player, I had no illusions she would end me if she felt it the best course of action.

That disappeared the next time you could talk with her.

Just stumbled into this thread to read why people don't like Jack (come on, what's not to love, people? ) but I had to chip in on this one and say yes, a hundred times yes.  I wouldn't say I "hate" Miranda, per se, but this is a lot of the reason why she's my least favorite romantic option.  (Yes, I'd even take Jacob before I'd take Miranda, the prize and all.)

I'd take the example of what will probably remain one of my favorite BioWare romances of all time, Jaheira in BG2.  Like Miranda, she's initially cold and dismissive of the PC's leadership abilities.  Both are initially wary of forming emotional attachments, considering the dangerous lives they lead and the important mission they're undertaking.  And with Jaheira, it takes about 20+ conversations to go from tsun tsun to dere dere.

But with Miranda, it's like a switch has been flipped after Freedom's Progress.  Immediately, she goes from, "Keep focused on the job, Shepard, we don't need to be friends" to "Oh, Shepard, you're such an amazing hero!  Let's go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together down in the engine room!" 

A little over-simplified, perhaps.  But there just seems to be absolutely no transition between the two mindsets.  Apparently all it takes to win Miranda's love and affection is to complete a tutorial mission.  If it had been a more gradual process, I might have liked Miranda.  As it is, she's just "meh" for me.

[Siansonea]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

I don't hate any character really, but I do dislike some.
After the first playthrough, Miranda's character started to wear on me as she seemed pompous and followed the cliche of the bad sexy chick who kicks ass in space while wearing catsuits and can never trip and fall with her high heels on during combat... Same goes for Samara/Morinth. Too much of a nerd fantasy.
Ashley seemed to be more realistic when having her as a love interest, Kelly Chambers a close second. Despite what people think about the whole ordeal on Horizon, and I'm not going to go all Dr. Phil herebut it's a pretty believable act that alot of women play out, doesn't matter how irrational it may sound. And if people truly do understand why she did it, and actually been in (or are in) real life relationships, then you would have no reason to hate Ashley.
Now since Kaiden does the same thing, you can say that his implants are flaring up...

Well, the fact that you cite pop-psych guru Dr. Phil as an apparently reliable source of wisdom should have clued me in that the following remarks would be nonsense. "Believable act that a lot of women play out"? "Irrational"? What is irrational is your belief that an Alliance soldier should simply go along with the doppelganger of a confirmed-dead former Spectre who is in the company of known terrorists. That said Alliance operative should drop everything, essentially go AWOL from the Alliance, and follow this person without question. THAT is irrational. Everything Ashley and Kaidan say on Horizon makes perfect sense—unless you expect them to behave as if they have complete knowledge of the storyline and Shepard's 'motivation'. Yeah, if those characters were aware that they were video game characters and not actual people, and had read the entire script of the game before Horizon, then yeah, taking Shepard to task for showing up with Space Terrorists is completely irrational.

And way to frame that idea fail in the most misogynist way possible.<_<

Modifié par Siansonea II, 01 mai 2011 - 08:05 .

[Siansonea]

BobbyTheI wrote...

MGIII wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I dunno, I rather liked Miranda's exchanges with Shepard before the first conversation with the Illusive Man. The way she flat out tells Shepard that she would put a control chip in his head was great. She was NOT impressed by Shepard, though she could see Shepard's value as a symbol, until Shepard proved himself/herself. Miranda's personal walls started to come down after she realized that Shepard actually was more than just a symbol.

Kelly is a sweet, likable girl who doesn't demonstrate a great deal of personal power or assertiveness, and doesn't challenge people in any way. She's a submissive personality. In my book, that spells bimbo. I have no respect for girls like this in real life, they are essentially doormats waiting for others to wipe their feet on them. Kelly is duped by Cerberus propaganda to wave the Cerberus flag (something that could also be said of Jacob, actually, but NOT Miranda) and she does her level best to make sure everyone 'likes' her. WHAT a waste of time.

The only convo you have with Miranda before speaking with TIM is right after she shoots Wilson and interrogates you in the shuttle. Her next conversation (the one with the "I would have put a chip in your head") is after TIM, before FP, which is the last time she was intimidating. And I liked it too: she wasn't a pushover then. She was at most professional and at least outright hostile. As the player, I had no illusions she would end me if she felt it the best course of action.

That disappeared the next time you could talk with her.

Just stumbled into this thread to read why people don't like Jack (come on, what's not to love, people? ) but I had to chip in on this one and say yes, a hundred times yes.  I wouldn't say I "hate" Miranda, per se, but this is a lot of the reason why she's my least favorite romantic option.  (Yes, I'd even take Jacob before I'd take Miranda, the prize and all.)

I'd take the example of what will probably remain one of my favorite BioWare romances of all time, Jaheira in BG2.  Like Miranda, she's initially cold and dismissive of the PC's leadership abilities.  Both are initially wary of forming emotional attachments, considering the dangerous lives they lead and the important mission they're undertaking.  And with Jaheira, it takes about 20+ conversations to go from tsun tsun to dere dere.

But with Miranda, it's like a switch has been flipped after Freedom's Progress.  Immediately, she goes from, "Keep focused on the job, Shepard, we don't need to be friends" to "Oh, Shepard, you're such an amazing hero!  Let's go press our slimy, mucus-covered lips together down in the engine room!" 

A little over-simplified, perhaps.  But there just seems to be absolutely no transition between the two mindsets.  Apparently all it takes to win Miranda's love and affection is to complete a tutorial mission.  If it had been a more gradual process, I might have liked Miranda.  As it is, she's just "meh" for me.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but a lot of people feel that Jack's tearful scene with Shepard is rather abrupt as well. This shows more of the game's overall lack of intermediate dialogue than anything else. The writers have a mandate to get from Point A to Point B with each of the characters in 5-7 short conversations. That's a flaw in the game mechanics, not the characters themselves. Naturally the process is truncated in ME2 for all the characters. It's just more noticeable with Miranda because she has a ways to go, whereas somebody like Tali is going from Point A to Right Next To Point A. And Garrus is all "whatevs, not normally into humans, but aight'. So naturally the progression is showing it's step value a little more with Miranda, because the steps are spaced further apart.

[ADLegend21]

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

I hated Wrex when he pulled a gun on me in ME1. I chose the option to beat him toa  pulp and shotgun him in the face. but when i saw how much of a douche in Brother was in ME1 I chose Wrex and his awesome "Shepard! my friend!" dialogue.(joy)

[darknoon5]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

no ones mentioned hating Wrex. you know why? because you can't hate Wrex. because Wrex is awesome. every other character was mentioned with a negative towards them.

I hated Wrex when he pulled a gun on me in ME1. I chose the option to beat him toa  pulp and shotgun him in the face. but when i saw how much of a douche in Brother was in ME1 I chose Wrex and his awesome "Shepard! my friend!" dialogue.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

You killed Wrex? Monster!


(ironic Ash is your prof pic)

Modifié par darknoon5, 01 mai 2011 - 08:14 .