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[didymos1120]

SennenScale wrote...

That they froze shouldn't be in dispute. How they unfroze offscreen is the issue.

No, it's not.  The seekers left.  No more stasis field.

[SennenScale]

didymos1120 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

That they froze shouldn't be in dispute. How they unfroze offscreen is the issue.

No, it's not.  The seekers left.  No more stasis field.

I remember there being parts of the mission where the seekers were not around. They seem to stay frozen even without the seekers right there, but it seems to go away after the collectors leave. I think it's tied to both the seeker swarms and the collectors.


Even so, how it works is up for interpretation since we didn't see it and we're not Mordin.

[Antivenger]

samurai crusade wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

There was a debate on that a few days ago, with the winning theory being:

1 - VS has armour and kinetic barriers.
2 - The drones incapacitate you with a type of "poison".
3 - VS gets stung, but the armour and medigel application lessens the dosage.
4 - Stasis effect wears off faster for VS, VS activates kinetic barriers so drones can't sting.

Alternatively, the VS activates kinetic barriers just as they are stung by a drone.

All well and good, except we see them freeze in the cutscene. Their armor wasn't a factor.

Kinetic barriers only work for fast moving objects such as a bullet. That's why you can melee a person with barriers or Saren killed Nihlus at point blank.  (Watch the Bring down the Sky mission or Ferros when Shepard is shot but the rounds deflect... too far away from him).   The books do an excellent job describing this.        So the swarms would not have been effected by Kinetic barriers.        I don't know how the VS survived or wasn't taken. Everyone else beside him was.

Maybe the swarms move fast enough to be recognised by barriers? In the Collector Base, they drain your shields before they drain your health. Then again, sometimes gameplay and story are completely opposite. I'm kinda hoping it doesn't get explained in ME3. The potential for "bwahaha the VS was actually implanted with Reaper tech" is too great.

[Antivenger]

Haha, wow. I made this post about half an hour ago, yet it only appeared now. And in double-post form!

Modifié par Antivenger, 01 mai 2011 - 04:21 .

[SennenScale]

^that's been happening to me as well in some threads. Traffic I suppose.

The swarms would have to be moving pretty fast to trip the barriers, wouldn't they? It's meant for bullets and shrapnel, no? Not sure they'd count as moving fast enough, gameplay aside.

Modifié par SennenScale, 01 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[crimzontearz]

Antivenger wrote...

samurai crusade wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

There was a debate on that a few days ago, with the winning theory being:

1 - VS has armour and kinetic barriers.
2 - The drones incapacitate you with a type of "poison".
3 - VS gets stung, but the armour and medigel application lessens the dosage.
4 - Stasis effect wears off faster for VS, VS activates kinetic barriers so drones can't sting.

Alternatively, the VS activates kinetic barriers just as they are stung by a drone.

All well and good, except we see them freeze in the cutscene. Their armor wasn't a factor.

Kinetic barriers only work for fast moving objects such as a bullet. That's why you can melee a person with barriers or Saren killed Nihlus at point blank.  (Watch the Bring down the Sky mission or Ferros when Shepard is shot but the rounds deflect... too far away from him).   The books do an excellent job describing this.        So the swarms would not have been effected by Kinetic barriers.        I don't know how the VS survived or wasn't taken. Everyone else beside him was.

Maybe the swarms move fast enough to be recognised by barriers? In the Collector Base, they drain your shields before they drain your health. Then again, sometimes gameplay and story are completely opposite. I'm kinda hoping it doesn't get explained in ME3. The potential for "bwahaha the VS was actually implanted with Reaper tech" is too great.

radiations bypass shields yet the radiations on  Heastrom drain shields....

it's called bad gameplay mechanics

[didymos1120]

crimzontearz wrote...

radiations bypass shields yet the radiations on  Heastrom drain shields....

it's called bad gameplay mechanics

Radiation also drains Grunt's armor if you take him there. 

[SennenScale]

didymos1120 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

radiations bypass shields yet the radiations on  Heastrom drain shields....

it's called bad gameplay mechanics

Radiation also drains Grunt's armor if you take him there. 

His armor is alive and mutating!

[crimzontearz]

didymos1120 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

radiations bypass shields yet the radiations on  Heastrom drain shields....

it's called bad gameplay mechanics

Radiation also drains Grunt's armor if you take him there. 

yep

Defenses and Thermal Clips are the two things that by far irk me the most about  ME2, I hope they are re-worked in ME3 (Christina's comments were rather encouraging)

[Moiaussi]

People villify the VS but forget that Shepard approaches them like a complete idiot, acting as if nothing has happened and 2 years haven't passed. Shepard knows he was dead during that time but noone else does (other than Liara). Cerberus certainly wouldn't have been advertizing it.

Ressurrection tech is something Cerberus developed, so to everyone else it seems Shepard simply went off the grid and showed up again working for Cerberus.

Then at the reunion with the VS on Horizon, Shep acts casually like there isn't anything questionable about the prior two years at all and doesn't seem to acknowledge the issues involved.

Even with the Council, Shep just sort of takes it without even attempting any sort of reasoned defence, and when offered Spectre status back, seems more worried that he might have to report in than actually glad for the gesture. He doesn't even express any surprise that the status was stripped, despite any such stripping never officially having happened in the first place.

So the VS is arguably the rational one, and, savior or no, Shepard the one acting like an idiot.

[SennenScale]

crimzontearz wrote...
Defenses and Thermal Clips are the two things that by far irk me the most about  ME2, I hope they are re-worked in ME3 (Christina's comments were rather encouraging)

Well if you overwrite the geth heretics, the whole handwave for the thermal clips is gone, isn't it? Unless I remember the thermal clip thing wrong.

I blame the ME2 gameplay changes on being given a faulty amp/omnitool and the thermal clip mechanic.

@Moiaussi
I agree. Shep was being a bit of a derp. People seem to be blaming the VS for the conversation options being flawed though.

Modifié par SennenScale, 01 mai 2011 - 05:20 .

[corporal doody]

the council offered Shepard spectre status reinstatement to placate him. and it was done in a less than enthusiastic manner. and Shep making the comment regarding reports was condescending. why should he be glad? they covered things up and saw to disbanding of the crew (or perhaps it was just a alliance decision).

someone commented in another topic...maybe it best for the council to reinstate him...even after finding out he is working with a known terrorist group....was probably a way to monitor his activities in a less covert manner. Cuz...the dude is gonna do what he has to do anyways...with or without them.

Modifié par corporal doody, 01 mai 2011 - 05:24 .

[didymos1120]

SennenScale wrote...

Well if you overwrite the geth heretics, the whole handwave for the thermal clips is gone, isn't it? Unless I remember the thermal clip thing wrong.

Um, what?  Does rewriting the heretics also somehow rewrite time?

[SennenScale]

didymos1120 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Well if you overwrite the geth heretics, the whole handwave for the thermal clips is gone, isn't it? Unless I remember the thermal clip thing wrong.

Um, what?  Does rewriting the heretics also somehow rewrite time?

I meant the reason for it wouldn't matter anymore. Neutralizing the advantage that the geth had over the Alliance. Geth are no longer an issue should you overwrite the heretics (assuming Legion is telling the truth), so I would think infinite ammo would be a lot more useful.

It just seems waaaay too useful to get rid of IMHO, but I could very well be wrong.

[ExtremeOne]

Moiaussi wrote...

People villify the VS but forget that Shepard approaches them like a complete idiot, acting as if nothing has happened and 2 years haven't passed. Shepard knows he was dead during that time but noone else does (other than Liara). Cerberus certainly wouldn't have been advertizing it.

Ressurrection tech is something Cerberus developed, so to everyone else it seems Shepard simply went off the grid and showed up again working for Cerberus.

Then at the reunion with the VS on Horizon, Shep acts casually like there isn't anything questionable about the prior two years at all and doesn't seem to acknowledge the issues involved.

Even with the Council, Shep just sort of takes it without even attempting any sort of reasoned defence, and when offered Spectre status back, seems more worried that he might have to report in than actually glad for the gesture. He doesn't even express any surprise that the status was stripped, despite any such stripping never officially having happened in the first place.

So the VS is arguably the rational one, and, savior or no, Shepard the one acting like an idiot.

   



Oh please what the VS did on horizon was bull sh*t but of course Bioware wants to protect the little alliance princess and her punk ass buddy kaiden .  They will rot on My Ship in 3 and if they as so much get in my way I will have no problem in killing either one . No one from a group that refused to do anything about the collectors or the reapers has any right saying anything to My Shepard . Pay back is coming to those 2 and I frankly do not care how it is done . 

[didymos1120]

SennenScale wrote...
I meant the reason for it wouldn't matter anymore. Neutralizing the advantage that the geth had over the Alliance. Geth are no longer an issue should you overwrite the heretics (assuming Legion is telling the truth), so I would think infinite ammo would be a lot more useful.

No, it wouldn't negate it because it isn't just something the heretics were using.  It's been adopted by everyone.

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Oh please what the VS did on horizon was bull sh*t but of course Bioware wants to protect the little alliance princess and her punk ass buddy kaiden .  They will rot on My Ship in 3 and if they as so much get in my way I will have no problem in killing either one . No one from a group that refused to do anything about the collectors or the reapers has any right saying anything to My Shepard . Pay back is coming to those 2 and I frankly do not care how it is done . 

Can you come up with some new material already?

[SennenScale]

didymos1120 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
I meant the reason for it wouldn't matter anymore. Neutralizing the advantage that the geth had over the Alliance. Geth are no longer an issue should you overwrite the heretics (assuming Legion is telling the truth), so I would think infinite ammo would be a lot more useful.

No, it wouldn't negate it because it isn't just something the heretics were using.  It's been adopted by everyone.

I remembered the codex saying the alliance retrofitted their own guns. Didn't think they did the same to everyone else's, and I asummed finding them everywhere is just game generosity.

Even if everyone else is in on it too, a properly outfitted ME1 gun felt like it could keep up with the ME2 ones (some you can fire forever, lol). I recognize that that's a matter of perspective, but it's just what I would do personally. Keep the upgraded, infinite ammo versions that you can fire forever without overheating. Why shouldn't Shepard of all people have this, at the least?

[Someone With Mass]

twisty77 wrote...

...then how exactly did Kaiden/Ashley escape the Collectors? Was playing ME2 tonight while trying to get sleepy and came across Horizon, and saw Ash get "frozen" by a seeker. Having played ME2 before, I know that Ash is going to show up and confront me after taking down that damned Praetorian lol.

Anyway, this brings to question: how exactly did the VS escape the Collectors? All the other colonists ended up in those pods on the Collector base, yet Ash/Kaiden somehow escapes unharmed/unchanged? I don't buy it...

I say crappy writing. That whole mission is a mess.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Can you come up with some new material already?

Dude, look who you're talking to.

The guy is a broken record.

[Clonedzero]

you save roughly half the colony.
the bug shield freezy thingy isnt permanent so it'll wear off, and she shows up after the ship takes off further supporting the "it wore off" theory. probably takes alot of power to generate those stasis fields, without the ship there it probably all turned off.

also, i wouldnt be surprised if her armor made the stasis field alittle weaker dealing with the kinetic barrier she would have up. interference and all that jazz

[Hepzi3]

Ashley/Kaidan will be on our squad in ME3. I look forward to this very much, the gunnery Chief was one of my favorite characters from ME,right up there with Garrus and Wrex. Frankly I would be very disappointed if the Chief does not return. What im curious about is what Ash and Garrus will do on the SR2, as I figured that Garrus replaced Ashley on the SR2 in ME2.

Either way I am very excited for ME3

[SennenScale]

Hepzi3 wrote...

Ashley/Kaidan will be on our squad in ME3. I look forward to this very much, the gunnery Chief was one of my favorite characters from ME,right up there with Garrus and Wrex. Frankly I would be very disappointed if the Chief does not return. What im curious about is what Ash and Garrus will do on the SR2, as I figured that Garrus replaced Ashley on the SR2 in ME2.

Either way I am very excited for ME3

It would be really interesting to see the two butt heads over that. Assuming Ash took over her old role rather than took a new, more equal one, anyhow. Agree or disagree?

[TomY90]

the only thing I do not get is how VS survivor survived horizon when someone who was right next to him/her got captured and see died on the suicide mission it would be more logical if both survived.