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TomY90 wrote...

the only thing I do not get is how VS survivor survived horizon when someone who was right next to him/her got captured and see died on the suicide mission it would be more logical if both survived.


Perhaps the VS and some colonists are somehow geneticially uninteresting or otherwise unsuitable for the creation of a human-reaper.  The Collectors were kind of picky about whom they'd adbduct before the events of ME2.

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mrsph wrote...

I hope Harbinger's lack of taking the VS when they were RIGHT THERE is explained in Mass Effect 3.


Harbinger will light his cigar, blow the smoke in Sheps face and tell him "I love it when a plan comes together" before he activates some crazy device the collectors implanted the VS.

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half the colony was saved.... you do remember bursting in and taking names right?

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I just hope my Shep gets to **** the holy crap out of Kaidan.

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SennenScale wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

the only thing I do not get is how VS survivor survived horizon when someone who was right next to him/her got captured and see died on the suicide mission it would be more logical if both survived.


Perhaps the VS and some colonists are somehow geneticially uninteresting or otherwise unsuitable for the creation of a human-reaper.  The Collectors were kind of picky about whom they'd adbduct before the events of ME2.


Or the collecting was done kinda haphazardly.  Which is exactly what we saw on the surface: empty coffins next to full ones next to people standing frozen out in the open.

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didymos1120 wrote...
Or the collecting was done kinda haphazardly.  Which is exactly what we saw on the surface: empty coffins next to full ones next to people standing frozen out in the open.


I bet they were too lazy to carry someone in full body armor. I know I'd put the heavy one at the bottom of my list.:P

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SennenScale wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
Or the collecting was done kinda haphazardly.  Which is exactly what we saw on the surface: empty coffins next to full ones next to people standing frozen out in the open.


I bet they were too lazy to carry someone in full body armor. I know I'd put the heavy one at the bottom of my list.:P


Newsflash: Reaper fail at capturing the VS because the Collectors are lazy bastards!

*chuckle* Harbinger really should have a better plan to motivate his minions than just assuming control and yelling at them Image IPB

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I'd ditch coffins too if a squad of armed commandos were shooting at me.

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TobiTobsen wrote...
Newsflash: Reaper fail at capturing the VS because the Collectors are lazy bastards!

*chuckle* Harbinger really should have a better plan to motivate his minions than just assuming control and yelling at them Image IPB



Ash's body armor is the key to Shepard's victory, apparently, just not in the way I'd expected.

Harby's an awful boss. Such a control-freak, yelling at everybody and his obsession with Shepard's body rivals the romance options.

But the Collectors are the kind of help one gets saddled with when you replace souls with tech, and not the lively sort like Legion.

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Oh please what the VS did on horizon was bull sh*t but of course Bioware wants to protect the little alliance princess and her punk ass buddy kaiden .  They will rot on My Ship in 3 and if they as so much get in my way I will have no problem in killing either one . No one from a group that refused to do anything about the collectors or the reapers has any right saying anything to My Shepard . Pay back is coming to those 2 and I frankly do not care how it is done . 


I pity your coworkers. If you are really that quick to kill over someone telling you off, I take it you are writing this from prison? Or are you out on parole? :)

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Lizardviking wrote...

No. The squad only real use was keeping the enemy incapable of fighting, which is why Kaidan and Liara totally dominated the game in the higher levels. And even then, barrier was decent enough for them to stay in the fight.


I wouldn't know about Kaiden, I never had on my team again when I got Wrex, Garrus and Tali on the Citadel. And I always selected him to die on Virmire.

Sometimes if you use the space bar to skip ahead, you can select Kaiden before they finish giving you the choice. Always cracks me up.

"Commander, your going to ha..."

"Kaiden will set off the bomb."

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Uh-oh. But we never see VS being unfrozen. And no other unfrozen people come to look at Shepard and ask questions. Maybe VS is truly indoctrinated. Who knows what Harbinger did to them, and why it left VS here?

Would explain some oddness in VS behaviour. The indoctrinated people tend to be confused about what side they're fighting on. Maybe VS' memories were urging them, "This is Shepard! Alive! Come and speak to him!" while Harbinger was screaming into VS' ear, "This is Shepard! Get away from him before he notices something strange!"

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didymos1120 wrote...

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But isn't that chick right next to them...Lilith I believe isn't she captured? She wasn't far away from the VS at all.


Yeah, but so what? Look around Horizon: you see packed coffins next to empty ones and then a short distance away, people just standing in the open. 


Yeah but I'd think the Collectors would have enough sense to go "oooh Shepard's teammate! Prime bait!" and kidnap him/her to use later. Not ignore him/her. 
Edit: ...wait a minute nevermind. the collectors have no damn sense. <_<

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twisty77 wrote...

...then how exactly did Kaiden/Ashley escape the Collectors? Was playing ME2 tonight while trying to get sleepy and came across Horizon, and saw Ash get "frozen" by a seeker. Having played ME2 before, I know that Ash is going to show up and confront me after taking down that damned Praetorian lol.

Anyway, this brings to question: how exactly did the VS escape the Collectors? All the other colonists ended up in those pods on the Collector base, yet Ash/Kaiden somehow escapes unharmed/unchanged? I don't buy it...


The Collectors only abducted 1/3 of the colony (according to mission debrief).  She was in the 2/3 that didn't.

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laecraft wrote...

Uh-oh. But we never see VS being unfrozen. And no other unfrozen people come to look at Shepard and ask questions. Maybe VS is truly indoctrinated. Who knows what Harbinger did to them, and why it left VS here?

Would explain some oddness in VS behaviour. The indoctrinated people tend to be confused about what side they're fighting on. Maybe VS' memories were urging them, "This is Shepard! Alive! Come and speak to him!" while Harbinger was screaming into VS' ear, "This is Shepard! Get away from him before he notices something strange!"


Um, see, normal human colonist behavior would have them running AWAY from the scene of collector battles with Shepard. Not hiding in the corner waiting for an oppurtunity to come say hi.

The VS was likely unfrozen as the collectors were leaving and moved towards the scene of battle, where she'd likely find Shepard or at least a collectors head to bash in.

Indoctrination has already been stated to act over time, as a passive ability, that takes time to take hold. The more willpower the longer it takes. Collectors don't even have the ability to indoctrinate others. A reaper has to be in proximity.

Short of finding out the VS mysteriously disappeared for a year while you were dead, only to show up and start acting weird, I see no plausible way for this to be the case.

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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

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Uh-oh. But we never see VS being unfrozen. And no other unfrozen people come to look at Shepard and ask questions. Maybe VS is truly indoctrinated. Who knows what Harbinger did to them, and why it left VS here?

Would explain some oddness in VS behaviour. The indoctrinated people tend to be confused about what side they're fighting on. Maybe VS' memories were urging them, "This is Shepard! Alive! Come and speak to him!" while Harbinger was screaming into VS' ear, "This is Shepard! Get away from him before he notices something strange!"


Um, see, normal human colonist behavior would have them running AWAY from the scene of collector battles with Shepard. Not hiding in the corner waiting for an oppurtunity to come say hi.


But that guy from the bunker jumps out and raves at Shepard to do something.

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The VS was likely unfrozen as the collectors were leaving and moved towards the scene of battle, where she'd likely find Shepard or at least a collectors head to bash in.

Indoctrination has already been stated to act over time, as a passive ability, that takes time to take hold. The more willpower the longer it takes. Collectors don't even have the ability to indoctrinate others. A reaper has to be in proximity.

Short of finding out the VS mysteriously disappeared for a year while you were dead, only to show up and start acting weird, I see no plausible way for this to be the case.


You're probably right. Pity, though.

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ME1's first mission on Earth (consisting of escaping the trial to reaching the Normandy) will give you these default squad; Kaidan/Ashley and Liara.

Liara is seen in two pics of the first mission fighting alo9ng with Shepard against Cerberus strike teams. Why the VS? because along with Anderson, they are on Earth and in the trial (pics from GI show Anderson in Earth before the Reapers arrive. The VS must escape with Shepard if he/she is to be a squadmember since Earth is going to hell.

That is all.

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TomY90 wrote...

the only thing I do not get is how VS survivor survived horizon when someone who was right next to him/her got captured and see died on the suicide mission it would be more logical if both survived.


I'm gonna laugh so hard but also be so pissed if the VS is implanted with Reaper tech in ME3. its the kinda thing that will make you go "duh, I shoulda seen that one coming"...

It might be like Vigil described it, where back when the Protheans were eradicated the Reapers indoctrinated some Protheans. They then released them back into the wild where they were sheltered by other Protheans. The indoctrinated then turned on the normal ones and ratted them out to the Reapers. I wouldn't be surprised if the VS serves a similar role, where you get a choice of "kill the VS" or "wait and try to take down the Reaper when it comes to get you."

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TomY90 wrote...

the only thing I do not get is how VS survivor survived horizon when someone who was right next to him/her got captured and see died on the suicide mission it would be more logical if both survived.


My best guess has been the VS wasn't  to be taken until the Collectors had Shepard.
Since ash/Kaidan's presence was part of the 'ploy' to get Shepard to Horizon ASAP.
Not to mention, the path we take in the colony was leading to their location. The "wrench", if you will, was EDI getting the Gaurdian Laser turrets working.

I say this because the majority of the collectors seem to be coming from were the VS was frozen, while we were defending the control station. Therefore they could have been laying in wait for Shep to come around the corner & spring their trap.

But, since there has been no 'official' word from BW on the subject, all anyone can do is speculate for now.
This is what works for me for now. 

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Pwener2313 wrote...

Liara is seen in two pics of the first mission fighting alo9ng with Shepard against Cerberus strike teams.


What gave you the notion that those were of the first mission?  Definitely wasn't the article.

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But that guy from the bunker jumps out and raves at Shepard to do something.

You're probably right. Pity, though.


I said normal colonist behavior. Not weird mechanic dudes that hang out in bunkers :P

It'd be an interesting story arc to navigate, don't get me wrong. But what they've told us about indoctrination just doesn't fit with it.

You even see part of it during ME2's derelect repeaer event. The scientest videos left behind show them gradually becoming more insane.

twisty77 wrote...

I'm gonna laugh so hard but also be so
pissed if the VS is implanted with Reaper tech in ME3. its the kinda
thing that will make you go "duh, I shoulda seen that one coming"...

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might be like Vigil described it, where back when the Protheans were
eradicated the Reapers indoctrinated some Protheans. They then released
them back into the wild where they were sheltered by other Protheans.
The indoctrinated then turned on the normal ones and ratted them out to
the Reapers. I wouldn't be surprised if the VS serves a similar role,
where you get a choice of "kill the VS" or "wait and try to take down
the Reaper when it comes to get you."


That all took place AFTER the reapers had started their invasion and cut off the Protheans from eachother via the Mass Relay's.

Unless the VS is on earth when it happens and then you don't see them for half the game, when they suddenly come back all helpful...I'd doubt it. But I could see them doing it with a more minor character.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Liara is seen in two pics of the first mission fighting alo9ng with Shepard against Cerberus strike teams.


What gave you the notion that those were of the first mission?  Definitely wasn't the article.


GI only posts pics of the first mission or first "10 minutes" in they're feature articles. I don't wanna fight. make the math and you'll see for yourself. GI has the same routine everytime for years now.

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Why not take him serious? I think just like that! damn Kaidan hits the board the first chance he geats. Spectre status my ass.