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[Augustei]

Hey all, just replaying the Witcher and watched all the endings and I got to thinking as many of us do who should we side with even if we plan to go neutral at the end we are still sort of forced to pick sides on the way there.

Ive come to the conclusion that The order of the flaming rose is easily the best choice, especially since they will be under the command of Siegfried of Denesle who is known to be far more merciful, caring and far less of a fanatic than the rest of the order.

The Scoia'tael are the worst choice as the bring disunity and pointless fighting to the kingdom, I mean they already have been granted their own lands within the Nilfgaardian Empire and yet they aren't happy with that and they continue to persue their acts of terror, killing innocents etc. to try and get their point.. A point they aren't even sure of across.

If going Neutral the Sorceresses gain much power and influance in Tameria.. This to me seems like a bad thing, I mean they try out those twisted experiments which created those of Elder blood and Alvin who well.. Turned out disasterous as you will find out at the end of the game. They will use their extreme power to gain political influance through their magic giving them the unfair advantage, plus theres that known statistic that all mages who dont get schooled young turn insane.. Where if they do get schooled are lucky and only turn out half insane.

The Order of the flaming rose = best choice, Sorcerors dont gain influance the order does - which anyone can join and makes it their primary goal to hunt down monsters. They are known to be racist but just look at the Scoia-tael they take Racism to a whole new level "We left some ape-people (Humans) in the crypt to die,, You can either kill us or save them" Plus Non-humans annoyingly have their noses so high that they fail to realise all others around them thinking themselves better than everyone else.

I have no Sympathy for the elves, but I do a bit for the dwarves whose most notable members are actually against the Scoia'tael anyway...

So
neutral = sorcerers political influance = bad

Scoia'tael = Stupid fanatics who refuse to sign the peace treaty even though it means them being given their own lands, the "racist order" being punished and all violance against nonhumans being severely punished and why do they refuse to sign? Simple.. Because they are the epitome of stupidity

Order of the flaming rose: = Stop sorcerer influance, get new compassionate friendly merciful leader of the order, Order and stability within the realm. And yeah

Thats my opinion anyway, if you have a differing one or feel the same way feel free to share =D

Also.. CANT WAIT FOR WITCHER 2!!! =D rofl

[Drake Sigar]

There are fanatics on both sides. Defending the status quo just because it prevents immediate bloodshed and interferes far less in the lives of average citizens isn’t necessarily the best option. I’m not declaring my support for the Scoia’Tael, but the situation isn’t as black and white as you make it out to be, and that ambiguity is what makes the Witcher so great.

[Archaven]

Oooh.. another witcher thread? Although this one is about the 1st game of the Witcher series, i'm not sure you get lots of flame by the BW fan..atics.

[Dannybare]

Why did you post this on the Bioware forums and not The Witcher forums. Seems like you wanted Bioware fans to react to this. (Not that theres nothing wrong with the Witcher, its one of my favorite game).

Anyway to awnser your post. I joined the Scoia'tael because I sorta agreed them, there fed up of the prejudice and violence seems like the only path for them to take.

[Druss99]

Archaven wrote...

Oooh.. another witcher thread? Although this one is about the 1st game of the Witcher series, i'm not sure you get lots of flame by the BW fan..atics.

Your on the Bioware forums. What exactly do you expect? I don't see anyone flaming it so far either just you trying to get things started with comments about Bioware fans.

[slimgrin]

Should be merged with the 'legend' thread: http://social.biowar...4483/42#7266597

At any rate, most discussion of this type was done years ago on the TW forums. Now they are mostly dead. With people just finishing the game, they want a place to banter about the choices. As to this particular choice, it's the biggest can of worms in the game. So lets open it.

Siegfried seems noble, till you ****** him off. Then he's downright stubborn and willfully ignorant. Yeavin is a ruthless murdering S.O.B who: *spoiler*

..............shoots down Rayla from the shadows. I hated that.

But he seemed more accommodating to me when it came time for the meeting in chapter 3.

Modifié par slimgrin, 01 mai 2011 - 05:22 .

[DarthCaine]

They're both ****holes, that's why neutral is best

Modifié par DarthCaine, 01 mai 2011 - 05:23 .

[slimgrin]

Choosing neutral can have worse consequences than the other two, ie: the blue eyes quest in chapter 3.

[Damariel]

maybe but I can live with this consequences without nightmares where I see myself killing innocents because they're humans or nohumans

Modifié par Damariel, 01 mai 2011 - 05:36 .

[Augustei]

I didn't post on the witcher forums since they are mostly dead and i cant be bothered signing up lol. I finished the game like 2 weeks after the Enhanced edition came out but never had a chance to really play it again, now with the second one coming out in a few weeks I thought it was a good time to replay =D

Regarding Neutral, its also a bad option since the Sorcerers gain a tonne of influance in Tameria.. And they aren't to be trusted what with their dodgy experiments that resulted in a maniac escaping their grasp and one of its descendents being jacque de aldersberg the crazy guy.
Not to mention they will use their magic to their advantage to get unfair political gain and a foothold on the nothern kingdoms.

Neutral imo = worst choice

Damariel wrote...
maybe but I can live with this consequences without nightmares where I
see myself killing innocents because they're humans or nohumans

Wow, really? or is that just a figure of speech? If not.. you know they aren't real right? lol

slimgrin  wrote...
Choosing neutral can have worse consequences than the other two, ie: the blue eyes quest in chapter 3.

Yeah...... I may have done that lol. I mean I wanted the sex card but when I saw one of them turn into a vampire I freaked the hell out.. I was like "This thing needs to die!!!" plus geralt says something like "What kind of witcher am I?" if I spare them... But I didn't want to be known as a turncoat so I picked the neutral option lol

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 01 mai 2011 - 07:19 .

[Chromie]

I chose Scioatel. Like the Order they both kill who ever but I prefer the nonhumans reason for fighting. They just want to be equal and free. The order is a religious fantic groups that was started by the Nilfgaards to combat the growing mage groups because of their political power.

[Augustei]

Ringo12 wrote...

I chose Scioatel. Like the Order they both kill who ever but I prefer the nonhumans reason for fighting. They just want to be equal and free. The order is a religious fantic groups that was started by the Nilfgaards to combat the growing mage groups because of their political power.

Its foundations are from the Nilfgaard order, its a Tamerian order though isn't it? The mage groups and their political power are a problem in my opinion.. Not to mention the Scioa'tael are fighting for freedom when they already have their own lands in Nilfgaard granted to them from the wars when that elf became a baron.. So they are just getting greedy and probably wouldn't stop until they got the whole world back, I mean they wont even accept lands in Tameria because they have to lay down their arms to get it even when the order is disbanded they wont do it because laying down their arms means they wont be able to fight for more lands.

The Scoia'tael dont want to be equal and free, they want to be dominant and ruling. The order kills monsters and greedy terrorists as well as keeping the questionable mages from gaining even more political influance than they already have.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 01 mai 2011 - 07:24 .

[Damariel]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Damariel wrote...
maybe but I can live with this consequences without nightmares where I
see myself killing innocents because they're humans or nohumans

Wow, really? or is that just a figure of speech? If not.. you know they aren't real right? lol

Yes I know that ... I just saying this from Geralt's perspective.

[Augustei]

One thing that just happened to me that sort of bugged me was upon helping the order stop the bank robbery Siegfried tells me how he is getting a medal from the Grand-Master but I cant get one since you have to be a Knight for one......... Geralt is a Knight! Wasn't he Knighted by the queen of Rivia? (dispite calling himself Geralt of Rivia before this)

[Augustei]

Damariel wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Damariel wrote...
maybe but I can live with this consequences without nightmares where I
see myself killing innocents because they're humans or nohumans

Wow, really? or is that just a figure of speech? If not.. you know they aren't real right? lol

Yes I know that ... I just saying this from Geralt's perspective.

In a few of his dialogues like one with Zoltan he talks of how there a new monsters he doesn't know how to deal with, as they hide within politics and factions and pretty much talks of how many humans and elves etc. can be seen as monsters

[slimgrin]

XxDeonxX wrote...

One thing that just happened to me that sort of bugged me was upon helping the order stop the bank robbery Siegfried tells me how he is getting a medal from the Grand-Master but I cant get one since you have to be a Knight for one......... Geralt is a Knight! Wasn't he Knighted by the queen of Rivia? (dispite calling himself Geralt of Rivia before this)

But that's just it. The order asks that you join, to become one of them. The scoia'tael just want your help as a mercenary. 

Sound familiar?  

[Chromie]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

I chose Scioatel. Like the Order they both kill who ever but I prefer the nonhumans reason for fighting. They just want to be equal and free. The order is a religious fantic groups that was started by the Nilfgaards to combat the growing mage groups because of their political power.

Not to mention the Scioa'tael are fighting for freedom when they already have their own lands in Nilfgaard granted to them from the wars when that elf became a baron..

Shouldn't mean they should all head there. That's like saying all the illegal aliens in America should leave because they face hardship. No they deal with it and try to change it why they are here in the first place. (My parents came here illegally and are citizens now so calm down)

[Damariel]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Damariel wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Damariel wrote...
maybe but I can live with this consequences without nightmares where I
see myself killing innocents because they're humans or nohumans

Wow, really? or is that just a figure of speech? If not.. you know they aren't real right? lol

Yes I know that ... I just saying this from Geralt's perspective.

In a few of his dialogues like one with Zoltan he talks of how there a new monsters he doesn't know how to deal with, as they hide within politics and factions and pretty much talks of how many humans and elves etc. can be seen as monsters

mhm I forget to add this so I fix my last post.... I saying this from my Geralt's perspective ... You draw your own conclusions from what Geralt saying and you think what he thinks in some places or situations.

Modifié par Damariel, 01 mai 2011 - 07:42 .

[Addai]

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Scoia'tael dont want to be equal and free, they want to be dominant and ruling. The order kills monsters and greedy terrorists as well as keeping the questionable mages from gaining even more political influance than they already have.

I don't know much about Witcher lore, but how I understood it was they are reacting to oppression they see in Temerian lands against nonhumans which they see as an injustice.

I sided with the Scoia'tel, even though some of the things they did made me sick.  But not only is the Order just as corrupt as it turns out, it also didn't seem to me to be a Geralt thing to do to join an order of knights with prissy uniforms and rah rah slogans.  If anything I'd probably replay neutral, but may just keep my Scoia'tel ending.  Sometimes you can do more good by choosing one of two evils and trying to work from within to change things.

[Anathemic]

I chose neutral though I leaned toward the Order through most of the game starting in Chapter 2. Yaevinn struck me as an arrgoant douche and Siegfried was alright until the end where he's sadly brainwashed in his duty. I killed him out of mercy/

[NvVanity]

I prefer Neutral.

The Scoia'tael ending is just more violence and Yaevin's superiority complex annoys the crap out of me. Hence why I enjoy killing him.

[Loup Blanc]

The only true Witcher way is the neutral way. A Witcher does not get involved whenever possible, and in the game it is possible :-)

[naughty99]

I went with Scoia'tel ending. something about these violent elven revolutionaries appealed to me during the playthrough.

Hopefully someone will create a Witcher save generator tool similar to the one for DAO/DAA that will allow us to easily create different Witcher 1 save games without having to play through the entire game again. 

Modifié par naughty99, 01 mai 2011 - 11:57 .

[slimgrin]

naughty99 wrote...

I went with Scoia'tel ending. something about these violent elven revolutionaries appealed to me during the playthrough.

Hopefully someone will create a Witcher save generator tool similar to the one for DAO/DAA that will allow us to easily create different Witcher 1 save games without having to play through the entire game again. 

There's the save game market at the TW2 site.