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[Sparrow44]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Corrected. It sells copies, does it really matter to the story if the final battle takes place on Earth or not? No, it does however sell to people with pride in humanity, and as a long time fan of Bioware I fully support them selling more units.

Ah so you'd take a standalone game with a cliched ending that sells well as opposed to an epic finale with an original and satisfying ending, your preference I suppose. Also pride is overrated.

At the very least Bioware should let players choose where to go/save in the finale, both sides win no?

[JeffZero]

There's always the possibility we'll be fighting somewhere post-Earth. I'm hoping for it.

[Rurik_Niall]

You realise one could argue that saving earth last is, in fact, placing the rest of the galaxy first, yes? Only after saving the Turians, the Quarians, the Krogan, the Asari, the Salarians and even the Geth, rallying them one by one to your side, do you then reclaim your own planet, does that really sound like you're putting the rest of the galaxy after earth?

[Rurik_Niall]

It's about self preservation, it's self-interest no matter how you slice it.

[Legbiter]

Earth and humanity is nothing special compared to the other Council races. The only races humanity could ride roughshod over is the hanar and maybe the elcor.

The Alliance would get it's ass handed to it by any of the three council races in a straight up fight. The salarians would know all our plans in advance and act accordingly, through the STG, the asari would cripple our war effort with their elite commandos and the turians would just get pissed off and curbstomp us with their massive fleets.

The volus would just crash humanity's banking system by shorting it or something or launch a covert operation to get most of humanity to take out a second mortage we couldn't afford

[Sparrow44]

I get that we're going to save the other homeworlds, my main issue is with putting Earth last as the "emotionally epic" ending.

Now don't get me wrong I'm sortof looking forward to what Earth looks like in Mass Effect but I don't want the storyline to revolve around it with the other worlds as stepping stones just to get to the end. Like JeffZero said hopefully we get to take the fight to the Reapers on their world wherever that may be.

[MajesticJazz]

Phaedon wrote...

ME3 SPOILERS Below: 

First of all, people worried that they would spend most of their game stuck on Earth.
Although the description of the game on the EA store should have dismissed that ages ago ("You will search for allies among the rest of the species in the galaxy, in order to retake Earth"), I think that the confirmed locations (London, New York, a city formed when Seattle and Vancouver sprawled into each other, Mars, Sur'Kesh,Palaven, Thessia, Illium and Rannoch) are self-explanatory.

Then, there were fears that Earth would be the only place that the Reapers would reap.
Considering that it has already been confirmed that turians had to evacuate Palaven due to the Reapers and that the Thresher Maw scene is probably taking place in Tuchanka, that seems unlikely.

So, are you satisfied with these news?

My question is why do we have to re-take Earth?

The greatest things about ME1 was the notion that we are just a small/new species and a much larger galactic community. Earth and it's culture seemed like nothing in comparison to the rest of the Galaxy. So why do we have to "re-take Earth back" in ME3? Why does the focus have to be on Earth? I thought Bioware would have been a bit more creative because didn't I already retake Earth back in Halo 3? I mean how many times are we going to go down the same road of playing as a Space Marine who saves Earth from galactic invaders?

I wanted there to be battles on Earth, but never did I want the final battle to be on Earth. To tell you the truth, I would rather have the final fight/battle take place on the Reaper's main base/fleet of operations. I want to take the fight to them!

[WizenSlinky0]

Legbiter wrote...

Earth and humanity is nothing special
compared to the other Council races. The only races humanity could ride
roughshod over is the hanar and maybe the elcor.

The Alliance
would get it's ass handed to it by any of the three council races in a
straight up fight. The salarians would know all our plans in advance and
act accordingly, through the STG, the asari would cripple our war
effort with their elite commandos and the turians would just get pissed
off and curbstomp us with their massive fleets.

The volus would
just crash humanity's banking system by shorting it or something or
launch a covert operation to get most of humanity to take out a second
mortage we couldn't afford

The STG are small in number and their military isn't exactly great. Humans are known for their flexibility. They would likely beat Salarians and Asari in a straight up fight. The Asari have the advantage ship to ship, but I believe their commando's are likely in limited numbers.

The turians would likely win with the current balance of power though.

Humanity is special, in the same sense the other council members are special. Each offer a very unique skill to the overall galactic community.

As for the topic at hand. I speculated from the start that retaking earth was going to be symbolic. There was nothing present to think the reapers would take so long to harvest one planet as to not even make it to any others.

It'll likely be an ongoing balance between putting together the final reaper puzzle before there's no planets left to save.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 01 mai 2011 - 09:35 .

[Rurik_Niall]

yorkj86 wrote...

That would depend upon whether or not that Shepard sees the other species as a means to an end for humanity's preservation.

And that would depend on whether or not Shepard is Paragon or Renegade. Paragon Shepard would save the rest of the galaxy first because Paragon Shepard wants to save everyone. Renegade Shepard does the same because he knows the best shot at saving Earth is the combined might of every race in the galaxy.

[WizenSlinky0]

MajesticJazz wrote...

My question is why do we have to re-take Earth?

The greatest things about ME1 was the notion that we are just a small/new species and a much larger galactic community. Earth and it's culture seemed like nothing in comparison to the rest of the Galaxy. So why do we have to "re-take Earth back" in ME3? Why does the focus have to be on Earth? I thought Bioware would have been a bit more creative because didn't I already retake Earth back in Halo 3? I mean how many times are we going to go down the same road of playing as a Space Marine who saves Earth from galactic invaders?

I wanted there to be battles on Earth, but never did I want the final battle to be on Earth. To tell you the truth, I would rather have the final fight/battle take place on the Reaper's main base/fleet of operations. I want to take the fight to them!

As a symbolic gesture that for the first time the cycle has been broken. Considering the invasion is starting with earth, it makes absolute sense for the battle to end there.

And there is no reaper main base. They hibernate in dark space until they are ready to harvest again. They have no real "home" that has been hinted at so far. There could be one, but I doubt it.

[Phaedon]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I think the disappointment centered more around the implied importance of Earth in the final battle.

"Rally the races, take back the Earth!" sort of seems anticlimactic as opposed to, "Rally the races, lead a desperate resistance for the survival of galactic civilization!" The latter sounds like a proper end to the trilogy-spanning arc, while the former represents Bioware's philosophy of having every game act as a standalone story.

Saying "Earth is under attack; save it!" is more marketable to new players than "The galaxy is under attack from an ancient enemy; fight for the survival of all civilization!"

Earth is not special in the terms that it's the only planet that you'll save, in fact, it will be the last.
It is special because it's where the final battle takes place.

You gather the species to save Earth as much as you do to save Palaven.

Why it has to be where the final battle takes place? You may call it marketing, but I think that it's pessimistic to expect it to be so shallow. Earth is a symbol. Mass Effect is about humanity's branches. The alien species, the futuristic cars, the citadels of galactic civilization. But what about the roots? Not the Alliance's roots, not Shepard's roots, your roots.

You began here. Everything began here.

MajesticJazz wrote...
My question is why do we have to re-take Earth?

The greatest things about ME1 was the notion that we are just a small/new species and a much larger galactic community. Earth and it's culture seemed like nothing in comparison to the rest of the Galaxy. So why do we have to "re-take Earth back" in ME3? Why does the focus have to be on Earth? I thought Bioware would have been a bit more creative because didn't I already retake Earth back in Halo 3? I mean how many times are we going to go down the same road of playing as a Space Marine who saves Earth from galactic invaders?

I wanted there to be battles on Earth, but never did I want the final battle to be on Earth. To tell you the truth, I would rather have the final fight/battle take place on the Reaper's main base/fleet of operations. I want to take the fight to them!=

You lost me at the intentional Halo reference.

You have to save Earth as much as you have to save every other planet. It's just that the final battle plays there.

Modifié par Phaedon, 01 mai 2011 - 09:42 .

[lolwut666]

If humans were not "special", people would complain too.

It can't be helped.

Best to ignore it.

[Sparrow44]

Phaedon wrote...

Why it has to be where the final battle takes place? You may call it marketing, but I think that it's pessimistic to expect it to be so shallow. Earth is a symbol. Mass Effect is about humanity's branches. The alien species, the futuristic cars, the citadels of galactic civilization. But what about the roots? Not the Alliance's roots, not Shepard's roots, your roots.

Earth is a symbol for who, the player? Shepard? His/her alien crewmates?

[JaegerBane]

Phaedon wrote...

What are you talking about.
We humans are so boring, I wish the Reapers would destroy were we live.

After all, it's not that much.

That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

Ah, good old Dr. Carl Sagan. He will be missed.

Maybe Harbinger *is* Dr Sagan....

[Phaedon]

Sparroww wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Why it has to be where the final battle takes place? You may call it marketing, but I think that it's pessimistic to expect it to be so shallow. Earth is a symbol. Mass Effect is about humanity's branches. The alien species, the futuristic cars, the citadels of galactic civilization. But what about the roots? Not the Alliance's roots, not Shepard's roots, your roots.

Earth is a symbol for who, the player? Shepard? His/her alien crewmates?

I said 'your roots'.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Legbiter wrote...

Earth and humanity is nothing special compared to the other Council races. The only races humanity could ride roughshod over is the hanar and maybe the elcor.

The Alliance would get it's ass handed to it by any of the three council races in a straight up fight...

Read the Codex. In the First Contact War, there were more turian casualties than human ones. And the turians were the most powerful military in Citadel space at the time. Your points are invalid.

[Phaedon]

The first contact war was humanity against turian patrols,though.

[Sparrow44]

What 'my roots' are have no meaning whatsoever in a game, in relation to the game's storyline they have no value at all.