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After the latest news, are you still worried of Earth being "special"?


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Sparroww wrote...

What 'my roots' are have no meaning whatsoever in a game, in relation to the game's storyline they have no value at all.

I can't say what has meaning for you and what has not.

I know that most players will recognize (and expect) the reference and be moved by it.
That's the point of symbols. In all mediums.

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Anyway, that's all from me for tonight, g'night all.

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Phaedon wrote...

The first contact war was humanity against turian patrols,though.


Correct. And one turian patrol was enough to subjugate an entire human colony into submission.

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Speaking purely in terms of the game's storyline let's remember one thing, humans are the only race the Reapers have deemed to have the prerequisites to become the sweet nougaty centre of a new Reaper, we're their priority, the rest of the galaxy are mere vermin to be exterminated. Within that context Earth makes far more sense as the final planet to reclaim. It will be the most heavily defended by the Reapers, and unlike the others they're not going to outright slaughter the inhabitants, making Earth pretty low in priority on the "Planets I need to save today." list.

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Rurik_Niall wrote...

Speaking purely in terms of the game's storyline let's remember one thing, humans are the only race the Reapers have deemed to have the prerequisites to become the sweet nougaty centre of a new Reaper, we're their priority, the rest of the galaxy are mere vermin to be exterminated. Within that context Earth makes far more sense as the final planet to reclaim. It will be the most heavily defended by the Reapers, and unlike the others they're not going to outright slaughter the inhabitants, making Earth pretty low in priority on the "Planets I need to save today." list.

Actually, the Reapers choosing the humans as the best species over the turians, asari and salarians (the rest are hardly competition), means that it makes sense for Earth to be the first planet to be hit and the last to be reclaimed. Why are humans special?


Because Shepard is special.

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That's what I just said, yes. :huh:

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sounds senseful

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Rurik_Niall wrote...

That's what I just said, yes. :huh:

*cough*

I had to read your post pretty quickly, sorry.

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My question is why do we have to re-take Earth?

The greatest things about ME1 was the notion that we are just a small/new species and a much larger galactic community. Earth and it's culture seemed like nothing in comparison to the rest of the Galaxy. So why do we have to "re-take Earth back" in ME3? Why does the focus have to be on Earth? I thought Bioware would have been a bit more creative because didn't I already retake Earth back in Halo 3? I mean how many times are we going to go down the same road of playing as a Space Marine who saves Earth from galactic invaders?

I wanted there to be battles on Earth, but never did I want the final battle to be on Earth. To tell you the truth, I would rather have the final fight/battle take place on the Reaper's main base/fleet of operations. I want to take the fight to them!


This more or less sums up my feelings on the matter.

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Phaedon wrote...

The first contact war was humanity against turian patrols,though.


Actually it was alliance patrols against turian patrols. The only time an actual human fleet was used, was to retake Shanxi I believe. It was more of a skirimish than a war. Neither side really displayed any real military muscle.

I still believe the Turians would have won up until the battle of the Citidel. Turians made up a good portion of the Citidel fleet, which means they were left weakened by the battle, far more then humans who only arrived for the final Huzzah.

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Correct. And one turian patrol was enough to subjugate an entire human colony into submission.


This is true but very misleading. Human colonies are left with very very minor garrisons. Humans concentrate their power on relay hubs that have good access to all the systems their colonies are present.

When colonies come under attack, rather than defend them, they instead respond in overwelming force.

Personally I wouldn't want to be a human colonist. But it DOES work.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 01 mai 2011 - 10:14 .


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I just wish that Bioware would get away from ME3 being a "stand-alone" game. With all platforms on-board now. Just work on making it an epic part 3. Besides If ppl bought ME3 that was epic then they would go and buy the other ME games and DLC.

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Earth is only special in the since that Palevon and the Salarian homeworld is special. Center of power, and more than likely in human case to be were most of their species are.

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Phaedon wrote...

What are you talking about.
We humans are so boring, I wish the Reapers would destroy were we live.

After all, it's not that much.

That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors, so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.



+1

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It's very poetic to quote Carl Sagan but if he lived in the Mass Effect Universe, he would agree with me when I say that the survival of galactic civilization is more important than one blue dot. That we must stand united against a common enemy because if we don't then nowhere will be safe.

Humanity is the most stubborn civilization in the galaxy and I don't think losing our home planet is going to stop us from expanding nor any of the other races will. They owe that much to us. We can handle it. We can take it. Let Earth burn if it means saving everyone everywhere else, whether Humans, Asari, Turians or Quarians

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I am satisfied, and i'm glad they took this route. Reapers deciding to strike Palaven too at the same time shows how big their numbers are and that they are not stupid, since making holes into turians warfleet really hurts Shepards effort to save the galaxy.

The turian moon is probably the meeting area with shops and such and the missions will actually take place on Palaven. I hope we will meet the turian councillor on the moon and get to say to him " ah yes, reapers.." . Hopefully there is an option to kick that guy out of the council, rest of the turians should be furious at him if we tell them how he took our warnings.

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Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Correct. And one turian patrol was enough to subjugate an entire human colony into submission.


You make it sound like Shanxi was somehow large and well-developed with this "entire human colony" stuff.  It wasn't. In Revelation it's described as an "outpost". And it was a turian patrol fleet, not just a few fighters or something.  Also, the initial group of turian ships that wiped out the humans messing with the relay and then followed the lone survivor back to Shanxi were in turn wiped out once they got there.  Then the turians sent in a larger force, and that's what was used to capture the colony.

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Confused-Shepard wrote...
Humanity is the most stubborn civilization in the galaxy and I don't think losing our home planet is going to stop us from expanding nor any of the other races will. They owe that much to us. We can handle it. We can take it. Let Earth burn if it means saving everyone everywhere else, whether Humans, Asari, Turians or Quarians


Judging by the numbers mentioned in the codex losing Earth would mean losing about half the species. If you expect that to be an acceptable loss for a human living in the Mass Effect universe, I'd advise you to think through the implications of that.

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Yhea... The Reapers are looking for the Ark. Thus allowing them to make the great journeyB)

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shnizzler93 wrote...

No.

Partially related: I have grown tired of seeing these threads and posts where people are saying that the Reapers should just go ahead and destroy Earth because humans are boring, Earth is boring. It boggles my mind that they don't realize that the lowest common denominator of every species is going to be boring. What we see throughout the ME games are naturally more fantastical than what would be considered "normal" life.

People that you describe are likely environmental extremists, and self hating people. Those people shouldn't play ME3 because, well... they're stupid. I hate those people

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Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

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I think the disappointment centered more around the implied importance of Earth in the final battle.

"Rally the races, take back the Earth!" sort of seems anticlimactic as opposed to, "Rally the races, lead a desperate resistance for the survival of galactic civilization!" The latter sounds like a proper end to the trilogy-spanning arc, while the former represents Bioware's philosophy of having every game act as a standalone story.

Saying "Earth is under attack; save it!" is more marketable to new players than "The galaxy is under attack from an ancient enemy; fight for the survival of all civilization!"


This. I was never afraid that we would spend most of ME3 on Earth, for example. What is bugging me a bit is that "Rally the races, take back the Earth!" slogan feels less grand and climactic for the end of Galactic-scale trilogy  than "Rally the races, lead a desperate resistance for the survival of galactic civilization!" is. To me, at least.

I would've preferred to save (insert alien planets here) > save Earth > fight in a final awesome battle in some location that would make sense Galaxy-wise. (Almost a shame Citadel was taken by a fight with Sovereign.)

But well, what I've said is just a matter of personal preference. And I understand this 'save-Earth' buzz from the marketing point of view, so...


This, basically.  I, too, have never been worried about the whole thing taking place on Earth; I've only ever been worried that the whole game will amount to saving it, with the galaxy being secondary to that.  I'm also hoping that regardless of where the galaxy's fleets are fighting the Reapers, I'm hoping that Shepard has to venture into Reaper territory on her own in order to save everyone back in the galaxy. 

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Yes, satisified i am. though i feel for my Turian amigos v.v poor poor palaven.....just like florida(RvB refence from Blood Gulch Chronicles? anyone?)

I was never too concerned about the earth being special trope though in ME, universe is too big for it and too fleshed out. Maybe it will have some sort of maigcal solution to the reaper problem (ala Halo's Ark being located in New Mambassa Was it?) but considering Humans have already been explained or at least shown to be the peak interest of the reaper threat it wouldn't suprise me if Humans some how had teh key to killing them and ending the cycle. I'd almost expect it. 

But i'm all good hear. Can't wait till release. Any confirmed date yet?

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AwesomeName wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

I think the disappointment centered more around the implied importance of Earth in the final battle.

"Rally the races, take back the Earth!" sort of seems anticlimactic as opposed to, "Rally the races, lead a desperate resistance for the survival of galactic civilization!" The latter sounds like a proper end to the trilogy-spanning arc, while the former represents Bioware's philosophy of having every game act as a standalone story.

Saying "Earth is under attack; save it!" is more marketable to new players than "The galaxy is under attack from an ancient enemy; fight for the survival of all civilization!"


This. I was never afraid that we would spend most of ME3 on Earth, for example. What is bugging me a bit is that "Rally the races, take back the Earth!" slogan feels less grand and climactic for the end of Galactic-scale trilogy  than "Rally the races, lead a desperate resistance for the survival of galactic civilization!" is. To me, at least.

I would've preferred to save (insert alien planets here) > save Earth > fight in a final awesome battle in some location that would make sense Galaxy-wise. (Almost a shame Citadel was taken by a fight with Sovereign.)

But well, what I've said is just a matter of personal preference. And I understand this 'save-Earth' buzz from the marketing point of view, so...


This, basically.  I, too, have never been worried about the whole thing taking place on Earth; I've only ever been worried that the whole game will amount to saving it, with the galaxy being secondary to that.  I'm also hoping that regardless of where the galaxy's fleets are fighting the Reapers, I'm hoping that Shepard has to venture into Reaper territory on her own in order to save everyone back in the galaxy. 


couldn't that also be taken to mean that Earth is the final battle of the conflict though? Wouldn't shep have had to help nearly every other race with their own porblems so they could form a fleet worth doing anything with? Honestly i think this interpretation, that earth is simply the final battle waged against the reapers, is more likely than the whole game building specifically to save earth.

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darth_lopez wrote...

couldn't that also be taken to mean that Earth is the final battle of the conflict though?


It could, but I'd prefer not, really, since it would mean that Earth/Humanity is somehow special.

Wouldn't shep have had to help nearly every other race with their own porblems so they could form a fleet worth doing anything with?


Yes... I'm not sure what that has to do with this, though.

Honestly i think this interpretation, that earth is simply the final battle waged against the reapers, is more likely than the whole game building specifically to save earth.


Even if the game isn't focussed on saving Earth, having the final battle happen on Earth is going to strongly imply Humanity's importance over everyone else's.  If it happens there, there's going to be a reason for it - a symbolic one at least; it isn't merely going to be a coincidence that it happened there.

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Confused-Shepard wrote...

It's very poetic to quote Carl Sagan but if he lived in the Mass Effect Universe, he would agree with me when I say that the survival of galactic civilization is more important than one blue dot. That we must stand united against a common enemy because if we don't then nowhere will be safe.

Humanity is the most stubborn civilization in the galaxy and I don't think losing our home planet is going to stop us from expanding nor any of the other races will. They owe that much to us. We can handle it. We can take it. Let Earth burn if it means saving everyone everywhere else, whether Humans, Asari, Turians or Quarians

So? You will have to help other races take their planets too as well. I don't see where the problem lies.

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Confused-Shepard wrote...

It's very poetic to quote Carl Sagan but if he lived in the Mass Effect Universe, he would agree with me when I say that the survival of galactic civilization is more important than one blue dot. That we must stand united against a common enemy because if we don't then nowhere will be safe.

Humanity is the most stubborn civilization in the galaxy and I don't think losing our home planet is going to stop us from expanding nor any of the other races will. They owe that much to us. We can handle it. We can take it. Let Earth burn if it means saving everyone everywhere else, whether Humans, Asari, Turians or Quarians


You do know that 99% of human population is on Earth?

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Phaedon wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

It's very poetic to quote Carl Sagan but if he lived in the Mass Effect Universe, he would agree with me when I say that the survival of galactic civilization is more important than one blue dot. That we must stand united against a common enemy because if we don't then nowhere will be safe.

Humanity is the most stubborn civilization in the galaxy and I don't think losing our home planet is going to stop us from expanding nor any of the other races will. They owe that much to us. We can handle it. We can take it. Let Earth burn if it means saving everyone everywhere else, whether Humans, Asari, Turians or Quarians

So? You will have to help other races take their planets too as well. I don't see where the problem lies.


Again, it's the idea that saving them are merely the foundations to saving us that's the problem.  If, however, we can save humanity before saving another race (i.e. if we can save each race in any order we want), then I don't see a problem either.  But if we actually have to save Earth last, then that will mean that humanity is for some reason more important than everyone else.  I'd prefer that not to be the case - if it is, I hope they've pulled it off well...  In any case, I hope Shepard's final mission is a solo gig that happens deep in enemy territory while everyone's fighting in the galaxy.