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[Bi_Winning]

 I do not have Collector AR as I would consider it. I am really having a hard time deciding which AR is best to use while in Adrenline Rush mode. I had to change my gameplay style since Heightened does not have a -50% enemy damage bonus. I'm leaning towards the Geth Pulse Rifle since it has good accuracy, high fire rate, and is effective against shields and barriers. It is less effective against armor. But since it has high rate of fire and Heightened Adrenaline rush gives you a 140% damage bonus when used, I think it wouldn't be a problem. I haven't tried it in action yet but I want to know what experienced Insanity Soldiers who've used Heightened AR use as their primary assault rifle. 

Modifié par Bi_Winning, 01 mai 2011 - 08:53 .

[lolwut666]

Revenant for great justice.

Mattock is also good, but not as fun.

[Faust1991]

MATTOCK, lord when that harbinger comes down all he ever gets to say before i finish him is "ASSUMI-". Just a beast gun, to the guy above me though i agree the Revenant is WIN, but as someone who loves a good assault rifle and has shot weapons a lot before. You want to be your own fire rate (meaning you control how  that gun shoots and when) and having a restricted burst can get a bit annoying in a big firefight.

Modifié par Faust1991, 01 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[lolwut666]

The Revenant is what makes the Soldier class fun, IMO.

Without it, it is just not as entertaining as the other classes (I'm not saying it's boring, though).

It's loads of fun to go Rambo on a group of enemies.

[termokanden]

I think technically, nothing beats Mattock+Widow. I tried comparing it with the Revenant and the Mattock alone just clearly won. It's blatantly overpowered with Adrenaline Rush and clearly the best AR. Technically. For some people it's not so fun for the very same reason.

I won't judge you if you want to use it though. It's your game, you can do what you want. Single-player games are about having fun on your own terms.

[termokanden]

Yeah I thought so too when I read it. I actually meant it when I said I wouldn't judge, but I guess it actually makes it sound even worse.

And who am I to judge anyway, I spammed Storm Dragon through half of Jade Empire

[Whereto]

Mattock, works with anything really. If you want to play it safe, go with the mattock, if u want fun go with the revenant

[jamesp81]

The Mattock goes exceptionally well with with heightened AR. However, I do not like the Mattock without adrenaline rush, so I will rarely choose assault rifle training on my non-soldier characters.

[jamesp81]

lolwut666 wrote...

The Revenant is what makes the Soldier class fun, IMO.

Without it, it is just not as entertaining as the other classes (I'm not saying it's boring, though).

It's loads of fun to go Rambo on a group of enemies.

It sure is nice on missions with loads of husks.  Revenant + Inferno ammo = husk repellant even on Insanity difficulty.

[jamesp81]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

The Revenant is what makes the Soldier class fun, IMO.

Without it, it is just not as entertaining as the other classes (I'm not saying it's boring, though).

It's loads of fun to go Rambo on a group of enemies.

But on the other hand, ... Mattock+Widow is just ... it's Mattock+Widow. There is no other way of accurately describing it. Revenant is more fun, hands down. But in in headpopping capacity, nothing, NOTHING beats out Mattock+Widow.

It's like drugs, you just can't get away from that after you've tasted it

I can.  I've come to prefer the Revenant + Mantis combo with hardened AR.  The Mattock, IMO, only really shines and is worthwhile when using it with Heightened AR.  AFAIC, without heightened AR, I'd prefer the Vindicator or a shotgun.

[spacehamsterZH]

I've only tried the Mattock a few times, but I fail to see the advantage of combining it with Adrenaline Rush. The Revenant, though... HARRHARRHARR. It's easy as pie to stay on target and tears through the bad guys like butter.

[jamesp81]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I've only tried the Mattock a few times, but I fail to see the advantage of combining it with Adrenaline Rush. The Revenant, though... HARRHARRHARR. It's easy as pie to stay on target and tears through the bad guys like butter.

Heightened AR gives you +140% damage to your weapon.  Seeing how the Mattock can be fired as quickly as you can click the mouse, the simple math tells us that the Mattock can lay more hate and discontent on the target faster than the Revenant.

[IMNWME]

Heightened AR nerfs the Mattock's ROF. If you're using the Mattock as your primary weapon, I'd suggest using Hardened.

[spacehamsterZH]

jamesp81 wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I've only tried the Mattock a few times, but I fail to see the advantage of combining it with Adrenaline Rush. The Revenant, though... HARRHARRHARR. It's easy as pie to stay on target and tears through the bad guys like butter.

Heightened AR gives you +140% damage to your weapon.  Seeing how the Mattock can be fired as quickly as you can click the mouse, the simple math tells us that the Mattock can lay more hate and discontent on the target faster than the Revenant.

Oh, okay. I've actually always used Hardened, so I forgot about that. Guess I shoulda kept my mouf shut.

[Bi_Winning]

Thanks, guys. Good stuff here. I went with Mattock as my primary weapon because it deals a massive amount of damage to headshots while at the same time, use of less bullets. Geth pulse rifle just doesn't work out.

[termokanden]

The Mattock works well with the Widow. And Heightened AR is the best choice for that. Therefore, I would suggest using that combination.

Edit: Oh that's what Neofelis was saying. Well that's what I get for not reading the thread properly.

The absolutely worst weapon for use with Heightned AR I would say is the GPS. Drives me absolutely nuts. With Hardened I belive you can comfortably fire two shots.

Modifié par termokanden, 02 mai 2011 - 07:09 .

[mcsupersport]

IMNWME wrote...

Heightened AR nerfs the Mattock's ROF. If you're using the Mattock as your primary weapon, I'd suggest using Hardened.

No it doesn't, Mattock is the only rapid fire gun that isn't really effected by AR in a negative way.  The mattock will fire as fast as you press the mouse, not at a set speed, so basically the heightened AR actually increases damage in a set time, by giving a damage boost and with the increased slow down, faster rof.

[termokanden]

It does have a maximum RoF that's very hard to achieve without AR. Perhaps he means you can reach it with Hardened and thus do not need Heightened? I don't know.

But it seems to me you're still getting better efficiency when dealing more damage per shot. Which is actually important with this gun. And REALLY important with the Widow.

[IMNWME]

mcsupersport wrote...

No it doesn't, Mattock is the only rapid fire gun that isn't really effected by AR in a negative way.  The mattock will fire as fast as you press the mouse, not at a set speed, so basically the heightened AR actually increases damage in a set time, by giving a damage boost and with the increased slow down, faster rof.

Wrong.  Heightened AR nerfs Mattock's RoF, period, end of story.  Post vid if I'm wrong.

[IMNWME]

termo - Yes, Heightened does more damage/bullet. I'm purely talking about RoF (how many bullets you can fire under Adrenaline Rush). Also, Widow only needs Hardened to one-shot mooks.

[AK404]

IMNWME wrote...
Heightened AR nerfs the Mattock's ROF. If you're using the Mattock as your primary weapon, I'd suggest using Hardened.

Wait, that's not right: you're either confusing your assault rifles or you haven't learned how to feather the Mattock's trigger.  The Mattock's ROF isn't influenced by Adrenaline Rush at all, thus, Heightened AR is absolutely broken when used with the Mattock, provided you can switch targets fast enough.  Also, while I'd usually suggest turning on the game and doing it yourself, here's the video that proves that the Mattock's ROF is immune to Adrenaline Rush, making it the most broken weapon in the game.  (watch the ammo counter during adrenaline rush.)

On the other hand, Heightened AR is a nerf on the Revenant; as per Gatsby's suggestion, it's best to use the Revy in conjunction with Hardened AR; here's the post that backs that argument up.

Modifié par AK404, 02 mai 2011 - 10:03 .