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[Abispa]

I don't think DA2 changed blood magic rules, but rather focused on a story where it was abused with disastrous results.

I see blood magic as a short cut or a loaded gun. If you're raised in an environment where blood magic is studied and used properly, it could be a useful, if dangerous form of magic. If you were raised in an environment that teaches mages that they are superior and that non-mages are simply tools to be used, like Tevinter, it can be discipline easily abused. If you are raised among the Dalish or the Chantry, it is the forbidden art and only the criminals or the desperate are going to use, and the mages doing so are ill equipped to deal the demons ready to take advantage of them.

I see it like the argument over gun control. Many, like myself, will argue that gun ownership is a right that shouldn't be taken away despite the fact that so many people suffer from their misuse. Others argue very well that the many victims resulting from the misuse of firearms far and away outweighs the desires of hunters or the number of cases where guns were used successfully for self-defense.

Thus I equate, clumsily I admit, blood magic by "normal" apostates to be like rural Americans with guns, BM in Tevinter like the "Wild West," and BM in Kirkwall like so many American inner cities.

EDITED for grammar.

Modifié par Abispa, 02 mai 2011 - 12:06 .

[Serpieri Nei]

CandleJack wrote...

beware of the merrill fans....

The only fans I fear are the Talimancers...

Please Don't Kill me.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.

I'd extend that to Varric & Cassandra.

[Abispa]

Hmm, short, petite, long neck, big eyes...

Wait a second! Take Tali's mask off and you'll see...

Merrill! After she got the mirror to work, I assume.

[neppakyo]

Abispa wrote...

I don't think DA2 changed blood magic rules, but rather focused on a story where it was abused with disastrous results.

I see blood magic as a short cut or a loaded gun. If you're raised in an environment where blood magic is studied and used properly, it could be a useful, if dangerous form of magic. If you were raised in an environment that teaches mages that they are superior and that non-mages are simply tools to be used, like Tevinter, it can be discipline easily abused. If you are raised among the Dalish or the Chantry, it is the forbidden art and only the criminals or the desperate are going to use, and the mages doing so are ill equipped to deal the demons ready to take advantage of them.

I see it like the argument over gun control. Many, like myself, will argue that gun ownership is a right that shouldn't be taken away despite the fact that so many people suffer from their misuse. Others argue very well that the many victims resulting from the misuse of firearms far and away outweighs the desires of hunters or the number of cases where guns were used successfully for self-defense.

Thus I equate, clumsily I admit, blood magic by "normal" apostates to be like rural Americans with guns, BM in Tevinter like the "Wild West," and BM in Kirkwall like so many American inner cities.

EDITED for grammar.

Didn't really come across as "abused" to me. Illogical more like it.

*hawke walks up to a nervous mage*

hawke: "Hey, how are you?"
mage: "BLAARGH GERRP DERP *cut cut cut, abomination*"

I think I got it word for word in the game.

EDIT: @McCrusty

Oh ya, Cassandra. She was hot for a french chick. Decent character too.

*spares the murder knife on Cassandra, goes back to happily stabbing Merril in the face repeatedly*

Modifié par neppakyo, 02 mai 2011 - 12:13 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

neppakyo wrote...

Didn't really come across as "abused" to me. Illogical more like it.

*hawke walks up to a nervous mage*

hawke: "Hey, how are you?"
mage: "BLAARGH GERRP DERP *cut cut cut, abomination*"

I think I got it word for word in the game.

Purple Hawke makes fun of the craziness of it all.

[Aradace]

neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.

Well if that's the case, then that means it'll be a new protagonist for DA3 but I can say with about 85% certainty that you are NOT getting your warden back in DA3.  I can also say with 100% certainty (btw) that those of you who like the "companion conversations" from DA:O wont be getting them back in DA3.  Dont remember where I saw it but there was a thread on it a few days ago with one of the Devs essentially saying that if anything it's going to be more like DA2 in that regard.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Aradace wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.

Well if that's the case, then that means it'll be a new protagonist for DA3 but I can say with about 85% certainty that you are NOT getting your warden back in DA3.  I can also say with 100% certainty (btw) that those of you who like the "companion conversations" from DA:O wont be getting them back in DA3.  Dont remember where I saw it but there was a thread on it a few days ago with one of the Devs essentially saying that if anything it's going to be more like DA2 in that regard.

How is possible that DA 3 going to be more like DA 2 than DA 2?

Anyways, I don't think the new protagonist matters. It's just that neppakyo doesn't like Hawke.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 02 mai 2011 - 12:16 .

[neppakyo]

Aradace wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.

Well if that's the case, then that means it'll be a new protagonist for DA3 but I can say with about 85% certainty that you are NOT getting your warden back in DA3.  I can also say with 100% certainty (btw) that those of you who like the "companion conversations" from DA:O wont be getting them back in DA3.  Dont remember where I saw it but there was a thread on it a few days ago with one of the Devs essentially saying that if anything it's going to be more like DA2 in that regard.

Heh if that's true, then expect (if its even made) the next DA game to do worse than DA2.

[Giant ambush beetle]

 

Abispa wrote...
Hmm, short, petite, long neck, big eyes....

Check your eyes, Merrill is is tall as all the other women in DA. And Tali petite? Don't make me laugh, have you seen her hips? Damn, they're wide.

Modifié par The Woldan , 02 mai 2011 - 12:33 .

[element eater]

SoccerPlayer wrote...

She's a blood mage and a Dalish elf who loves a shemlen

problem with her needing to die for being ablood mage is that for alot of people so were Hawke, the warden, wynne and Morrigan. Also the Dalish

but i have to admit while i dislike a fair few da2 chars and as Nep comments i would be quite happy to see Hawke die Merril is one of the few i genuinely liked. I think it adds a little to the story having a Blood mage who isn't just completely mad i felt the game suffers for making so many mage's crazy kind off makes it makes it harder to feel sympathetic for there plight.

That said, her obsession with that mirror is incredibly annoying at times I did kind of hope for a renegade interrupt on several occasions

[neppakyo]

I like my Merril how I like my coffee...




















Ground up and in a plastic cup.

[Ulicus]

bEVEsthda wrote...

No. DA2 corrupted lore on blood mages. DA3 should correct that and then there is no need to fear Merril will be possessed.

The fear Merill may be possessed comes from the fact she uses her blood magic to deal with demons. I don't see any corruption of the lore, there. If she were just using her blood to power spells, there wouldn't be a problem.

But she's not.

[Aradace]

neppakyo wrote...

Aradace wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.

Well if that's the case, then that means it'll be a new protagonist for DA3 but I can say with about 85% certainty that you are NOT getting your warden back in DA3.  I can also say with 100% certainty (btw) that those of you who like the "companion conversations" from DA:O wont be getting them back in DA3.  Dont remember where I saw it but there was a thread on it a few days ago with one of the Devs essentially saying that if anything it's going to be more like DA2 in that regard.

Heh if that's true, then expect (if its even made) the next DA game to do worse than DA2.

Only reason it's a good "educated guess" at this point is because they're already commited to a "voiced" protagonist (which I personally enjoyed as well as I enjoyed DA2).  For them to bring the warden back, that would mean they'd have to go back to the "voiceless" protagonist again and it's pretty clear at this point that it's not going to happen any time soon.  As far as the second half of my post on companion conversations, thats actually already fact.  Wish I remembered where I saw that thread with the link on that. 

As far as DA3 being "bad" because of that;  That's your opinion and you're welcomed to it.  I dont agree with you, but I understand where you're coming from none the less.

[brigantine]

mrcrusty wrote...

How is possible that DA 3 going to be more like DA 2 than DA 2?

I'm pretty sure he was saying DA3 will be more like DAII than DA:O! 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

neppakyo wrote...

I like my Merril how I like my coffee...
Ground up and in a plastic cup.

Real men use mugs.

brigantine wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

How is possible that DA 3 going to be more like DA 2 than DA 2?

I'm pretty sure he was saying DA3 will be more like DAII than DA:O! 

Lol, I know. I just like being a jerk sometimes.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

But DA 3 being more like DA 2 than DA:O makes me sad.



I can live with a voiced protagonist, the wheel, etc etc if it's done well, but there's a lot about Dragon Age 2 that didn't *click* with me.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 02 mai 2011 - 12:51 .

[neppakyo]

Aradace wrote...

Only reason it's a good "educated guess" at this point is because they're already commited to a "voiced" protagonist (which I personally enjoyed as well as I enjoyed DA2).  For them to bring the warden back, that would mean they'd have to go back to the "voiceless" protagonist again and it's pretty clear at this point that it's not going to happen any time soon.  As far as the second half of my post on companion conversations, thats actually already fact.  Wish I remembered where I saw that thread with the link on that. 

As far as DA3 being "bad" because of that;  That's your opinion and you're welcomed to it.  I dont agree with you, but I understand where you're coming from none the less.

I dont mind the voiced protagonist. It just wasn't done very well in DA2, and in my opinion doesn't fit well in the DA universe. I prefer the silent protagonist, mind you I have a pretty decent imagination, and can supply my own voice, and roleplay the way I want to. A voiced protagonist limits the immersion and role-play to me.

I didn't like the ME dialogue wheel, or the ME UI in DA2. The wave of enemies was stupid and poorly done. The combat while more balanced, was anime, on meth, and over the top animations. Not to mention the childish baloon bag body explosions. I would of preferred if they fixed/tweaked, sped up a little bit, the DA:O combat. I wasn't too fond of the skills/spells, I think there was more variety and fun with DA:O's.

Taking the VO out, I'm just saying if the next DA game follows this path, its not a game for me. I already play a game like that and its called Mass Effect.

[brigantine]

mrcrusty wrote...




Lol, I know. I just like being a jerk sometimes. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Ahh I see!

mrcrusty wrote...

But DA 3 being more like DA 2 than DA:O makes me sad.



I can live with a voiced protagonist, the wheel, etc etc if it's done well, but there's a lot about Dragon Age 2 that didn't *click* with me.

I had some issues with DAII but for the most part loved it. I would like to see a few things from DA:O returned but all in all I'm happy with DAII.

Modifié par brigantine, 02 mai 2011 - 12:55 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

i don't wish for anyone to die in DA2 with the exception of DuPuis and Quintin they deserve to die 10 times

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

SoccerPlayer wrote...

 She's a blood mage and a Dalish elf who loves a shemlen

Yeah, that pretty much killed the character for me as well. In DA 3, she'll probably have horns just like the qunari and wings and a tail to make sure no one confuses the ever-changing lore of Thedas with that of Middle Earth. Oh yeah, she'll be pink too. She needs to disappear. Either that or Merrill from DA:O needs to appear and kill her.

[orpheus333]

SirGladiator wrote...

I like Merrill, I don't really understand why almost all the blood mages in DA2 were evil, certailny it wasn't that way in DAO. Either way, Merrill is still a good person, if she's around in DA3 she should probably be joining forces with Morrigan, they both are very interested in those mirrors and all .

I think in DA2 Bioware were trying to get teh point across that Blood Mage was infact a corrupting, dangerous form of magic mostly learnt from trafficing with demons (demons use blood magic as a door into the mages psyche). Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely as they say. However that isn;t to say that some mages with significant willpower and personal control can't use the skill without turning to the darkside. 

[smooth_operator]

The only thing good about Merrill is the woman who did her voice acting, that was impressive voice acting. Other than that... Merrill was a bum, even on a high level.

[yaw]

neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.