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Why Merrill needs to die in DA3


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neppakyo wrote...

I say kill everyone but Varric and Cassandra. Kill hawke too.

Varric was the only good character.

@Aradace. I meant disregarding the VO as in not including it in my argument. Its not that big of a deal, while I prefer non VO, I can live with a VO. For the rest of the game I was saying if the next DA follows that path, I won't buy it.


Kill them with fire Nep?:lol:

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SoccerPlayer wrote...

She's a blood mage and a Dalish elf who loves a shemlen


Blood magic isn't evil. Without it, Thedas wouldn't have the Joining that creates Grey Wardens, and a result they would have no means of stopping the Archdemon and ending the Blights.

As for loving Hawke, it looks like the protagonist finally did something right.

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Romantiq wrote...

She is foolish so she fits the definition of ****** just perfectly. Naive ****** works too.


:lol:

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Never got the love for this chick. She is like a flanderized version of stupid naivety.

Reminds me of Fred from Angel, despite them being somewhat different. I hated her too.

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Romantiq wrote...

She is foolish so she fits the definition of ****** just perfectly. Naive ****** works too.


Is this when she proficiently uses blood magic for several years, can identify the type of demon in an abomination, can tell whether a person is possessed or not because she's adept at magic, or when she recreates an ancient piece of elven technology that's over two thousand years old and mystified even the Magisters of the Imperium?

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Merrill is cute and gullible ... LadyHawke approves!

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SoccerPlayer wrote...

She's a blood mage and a Dalish elf who loves a shemlen


wow this is great logic! [/sarcasm]

She's using magic that isn't inherently evil and she's in love with Hawke is your reasoning for why she should die? It's not like elf-human children haven't existed before (Feynriel, OGB if you're an elven Warden, Slim Couldry).

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I agree Ethereal! It makes PERFECT since!

If I was a complete idiot.

Agreed, Merrill for one, was just trying to protect and benefit her clan and the Dalish on a whole. THAT is why she became a blood mage, and dur? She LOVES Hawke? So your saying that different races mean that you can't fall in love? RACIST! XD

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Merril didn't get the clan killed. Merril's former clan got itself killed when the keeper told the clan all about Merril's Blood Magic and pact with  the demon yet the Keeper  failed to mention to the clan what she had done with the demon that Merril had made a pact with. That led to assumption among the rest of the elves and that is what got them all killed. Bottom line is, the Keeper got her own clan killed.

Rockworm503 wrote...

I don't understand why people like Merril to be honest. Shes funny a little bit here and there but her obsession with fixing that mirror no matter the cost just ruins any chance of her being like able.
The mirror alone wouldn't be bad but know its relation to demons and how she even had a demon help seals the deal. If it was just affecting her than I'd be ok people can learn from her mistakes but she drags Hawke into this and it gets her whole clan killed.
If she felt any regret or sadness then she never showed because as soon as we get back to Kirkwall she's acting like nothing happened.
One of the worst characters on DA2 and my only regret is she survived the end.



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neppakyo

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erynnar wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

I say kill everyone but Varric and Cassandra. Kill hawke too.

Varric was the only good character.

@Aradace. I meant disregarding the VO as in not including it in my argument. Its not that big of a deal, while I prefer non VO, I can live with a VO. For the rest of the game I was saying if the next DA follows that path, I won't buy it.


Kill them with fire Nep?:lol:


Just to be safe we'd better do this...

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How in blazes could you advocate killing Merrill? The OP needs to be re-educated by Harbinger.

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ReallyRue wrote...

I think we should blow up Thedas for the lulz in DA3.


Please, it's a Dragon Age game!

An NPC will do it and you'll be left standing there with no choice in the matter.

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Being a blood mage doesn't mean she should die.
My warden was a blood mage and he only acted in a way that would benefit others.

Except maybe the part where he killed Leliana on the mountains and joined a dragon cult, but since that's the only way to kill Leliana it had to be done. But since it prevented the chantry from increasing it's influence over others, it was well worth it.

"There is only one good, knowledge and one evil, ignorance."


If she is in good terms with shemlen that doesn't mean either that she needs to die.
It only means that she would be better off living as a city elf.

Modifié par Mahtisonni, 03 mai 2011 - 10:01 .


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I would of liked Varric better if he didn't have a fully automatic crossbow that could rain down hundreds of bolts with one shot, that kind of ruined it for me. It's just dumb, it really puts the "high" in a high fantasy adventure. They should of just given him a gold plated AK-47, it would of made about as much sense.

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Harid wrote...

Never got the love for this chick. She is like a flanderized version of stupid naivety.

Reminds me of Fred from Angel, despite them being somewhat different. I hated her too.


Atleast Fred had reason to be like she was being a bookwork who got sent over to another dimension where she was threated as cattle for a good part of her live.

Though for the comparison all that is missing is for merril to become possesed by an ancient demi god that can manipulate time and space  :lol:.

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Meh, Merrill was kinda cute, and kinda funny but easily ignored. I mean, a future Keeper without healing magic? In a nomadic society? Iirc, Marethari kept dalishWarden alive until Duncan could do his "thang" and more or less cure her. So she's kinda odd, but like I said, easily ignored.

I don't want Hawke back. She's not my toy anyways, so you can have her back now, I'm finished playing. And I don't want to play with her any more, so just keep her, m'kay?

If they keep the bare-bones dialogues, companion interaction, and companion customization as it is now, I'll simply take my money elsewhere. No problem. I'm not purchasing goods that don't suit my needs, tastes, and preferences. They can do whatever they want, making *their* game. However, I can do whatever *I* want with my money. Win/win.

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Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would of liked Varric better if he didn't have a fully automatic crossbow that could rain down hundreds of bolts with one shot, that kind of ruined it for me. It's just dumb, it really puts the "high" in a high fantasy adventure. They should of just given him a gold plated HK-47, it would of made about as much sense.


I fixed that for you.

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Merrill 2.0 was clearly an attempt to recreate the appeal of Liara and Tali from ME. As if her story blunders weren't tragic enough, it was further aggravating to to entertain romance with this irritatingly "adorkable" "cute clumsy girl" [see tvtropes.org].

But perhaps Merrill 2.0 can suffer a metaphoric death and continue the DA story in tune with her original self.

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Merrill is generic BioWare Joss Whedon "Rambling and saying whats on the top of your mind without thinking = Funny (not really)" clone #1701.

And the end of her quest I was like "WTF? That's what happens when you pick the good route? Jesus Christ, this loon just made me massacre an entire village and I'm supposed to be the good guy! How the hell wrote this???"

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 04 mai 2011 - 05:30 .


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andyr1986 wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

I would of liked Varric better if he didn't have a fully automatic crossbow that could rain down hundreds of bolts with one shot, that kind of ruined it for me. It's just dumb, it really puts the "high" in a high fantasy adventure. They should of just given him a gold plated HK-47, it would of made about as much sense.


I fixed that for you.


Rofl. Meatbag.

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>> Merrill is absolutely adorable you kidding me? Then again I've always had a soft spot for stupidly adorable lost kitten types. As far as blood magic is concerned, there's the risk of possession from using it yes, but that doesn't mean blood mages go into it evil to start with.

Also if anyone is more annoying then Merrill it's Fenris. Gawd that boy is an emo child if I ever saw one. Yes I understand he felt tortured and so forth as a slave, and I wouldn't want that sort of life too but the constant brooding and blaming and hating on everything and everyone is a bit emo. Especially when mage Hawke (if you play them as such) tries to help him out.

Modifié par RPT, 11 mai 2011 - 02:36 .


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oh you mean the tali copypasta... yeah it got old fast

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neppakyo wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Only reason it's a good "educated guess" at this point is because they're already commited to a "voiced" protagonist (which I personally enjoyed as well as I enjoyed DA2).  For them to bring the warden back, that would mean they'd have to go back to the "voiceless" protagonist again and it's pretty clear at this point that it's not going to happen any time soon.  As far as the second half of my post on companion conversations, thats actually already fact.  Wish I remembered where I saw that thread with the link on that. 

As far as DA3 being "bad" because of that;  That's your opinion and you're welcomed to it.  I dont agree with you, but I understand where you're coming from none the less.


I dont mind the voiced protagonist. It just wasn't done very well in DA2, and in my opinion doesn't fit well in the DA universe. I prefer the silent protagonist, mind you I have a pretty decent imagination, and can supply my own voice, and roleplay the way I want to. A voiced protagonist limits the immersion and role-play to me.


While I do understand that argument but lately I have found it a lot harder to play a silent protagonist in a talking world. I would rather play as a silent protagonist if there is no spoken dialoge in the game.
Having a silent protagonist in a talking world (without a reason to be silent) kills a lot of the immersion for me, it looks and sounds stupid. Now if you have a reason why the character can't talk and have a means where s/he can communicate with other characters I would be for it, but otherwise if everyone else can talk with a voice so should my character. And spare me the whole "well you co do the voice by reading the dialoge options" line. I'm a man and I can't do a woman's voice to save my life. I tried that when I was playing DA:O and I realized doing that really hurt the immersion for me.    



I didn't like the ME dialogue wheel, or the ME UI in DA2. The wave of enemies was stupid and poorly done. The combat while more balanced, was anime, on meth, and over the top animations. Not to mention the childish baloon bag body explosions. I would of preferred if they fixed/tweaked, sped up a little bit, the DA:O combat. I wasn't too fond of the skills/spells, I think there was more variety and fun with DA:O's.


I disagree with you 100% on this. I liked what Bioware did in Dragon Age II in terms of dialoge wheel and the combat. It was the most fun BW game I played to date. It's not the greatest BW game but in terms of combat in was the most fun.  


As too the topic on hand I liked Merrill and she great LI but I perfer Isabella.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 11 mai 2011 - 03:07 .


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I found Merrill and Varric to be the only 2 likeable companions in the game. The others were all bland. Isabella and Fenris I found to be the most annoying of the bunch. Didn't realize I necro'd this thread till after I posted. haha

Modifié par Syphor77, 07 août 2011 - 10:05 .


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neppakyo wrote...

I pretty much vote for everyone to die from DA2, but Varric. And that inculdes hawke.


Hawke is Don Quixote. Completely insane. And Dragon Age 2 is his hallucination.