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[TEWR]

The mirror didn't kill anyone. The taint within the mirror did, and she took care of that problem before she left Sundermount.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The mirror didn't kill anyone. The taint within the mirror did, and she took care of that problem before she left Sundermount.

Gaider already addressed that Merrill studied the lore about the Eluvian and extrapolated information from the shard, so I don't see the problem. The ancient technology may have been able to irrevocably change the lives of elves across all of Thedas, so I think her efforts were admirable. Merrill, in contrast to every Dalish elf at Sundermount, was proactive in her attempts to help the People.

[Ophir147]

ReallyRue wrote...

I think we should blow up Thedas for the lulz in DA3.

Hilarious in Hindsight.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The mirror didn't kill anyone. The taint within the mirror did, and she took care of that problem before she left Sundermount.

Gaider already addressed that Merrill studied the lore about the Eluvian and extrapolated information from the shard, so I don't see the problem. The ancient technology may have been able to irrevocably change the lives of elves across all of Thedas, so I think her efforts were admirable. Merrill, in contrast to every Dalish elf at Sundermount, was proactive in her attempts to help the People.

Whoa whoa there, Lob! I'm not arguing against what Merrill did nor refuting those facts! You know me, I'm an ardent Merrill supporter!

I'm stating to the previous poster that the mirror that killed Tamlen and possibly Mahariel actually isn't responsible for those deeds, but the taint that was held within. And Merrill took care of that prior to leaving Sundermount, though it was within the shard she took.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Whoa whoa there, Lob! I'm not arguing against what Merrill did nor refuting those facts! You know me, I'm an ardent Merrill supporter! 

I was backing you up!

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm stating to the previous poster that the mirror that killed Tamlen and possibly Mahariel actually isn't responsible for those deeds, but the taint that was held within. And Merrill took care of that prior to leaving Sundermount, though it was within the shard she took.

Yeah, I simply added those facts in response to your original statement because I feel like some people dismiss Merrill simply because she's a Dalish elf in an entirely alien (human) culture, and therefore think that culture shock = stupid. Despite the fact that we witness Merrill's intellect time and again. Some people also seem to think that Marethari's assumptions about the Eluvian (based on what she thinks their ancestors wanted) should trumph Merrill's actual research and investigation into the Eluvian.

[Ekemeister]

Merill is adorable! (except for the awkward moment after her sex scene. >_<) Unlike most of the Dalish she actively tries to improve their situation instead of reactionarily or even passively. Also, Merill is a very powerful blood-mage when used properly. So, Merill's cuteness should survive for the full thousand years or whatever.

On a side note, If Morrigan returns, so will her man/dragon/god baby. Not sure whether or not I want that.

[ladyofpayne]

She needs to die because she is the worst parody on Tali from ME3. And I want to kill her in DA 2 but I choose Orsion so she sirvived.

[Aren19]

I don't know how to feel about her. My Hawke and her are rivals, I killed her entire clan...and my Warden is a Dalish Elf. If possible, I want to keep Merrill around just to see what Hawke and my Warden would do to each other

[keesio74]

Unlike most of the Dalish she actively tries to improve their situation instead of reactionarily or even passively.

Yup. By any means possible. But sometimes that is not a good idea and must be argued against

[hussey 92]

After DA2, I pretty much hate all Dalish.

[danteliveson]

Worst thread ever.

[SirGladiator]

Merrill was pretty cool overall, I think the thing with her and the mirror is confusing to a lot of people because basicly if you never played DAO, especially the Morrigan DLC, you'd probably be inclined to think that blood magic and those mirrors were all inherently bad, and Merrill shouldnt be doing anything with either one, thus everything bad that happens is all her fault. However if you played DAO and the Morrigan DLC, you know that one can be a good person and use blood magic, and you also know that the mirrors arent dangerous, in fact they're quite cool, powerful, and very useful. As such, you'd naturally believe that Merrill was entirely right in what she was doing, and the people trying to get her to not do it were just dumb. In any event, I definitely kept her alive, and would want her to stay that way all the time. I don't think she's really anything like Tali, clearly before DA2 came out the info we had strongly suggested she was going to be the DA2 version of Tali, but honestly I dont see any similarities at all. She's pretty unique, and definitely cool.

[jbrand2002uk]

SoccerPlayer wrote...

 She's a blood mage and a Dalish elf who loves a shemlen

Thats ok Merril will turn you into a frog so hawke can use you for soup 

[RonixisJK]

SirGladiator wrote...

Merrill was pretty cool overall, I think the thing with her and the mirror is confusing to a lot of people because basicly if you never played DAO, especially the Morrigan DLC, you'd probably be inclined to think that blood magic and those mirrors were all inherently bad, and Merrill shouldnt be doing anything with either one, thus everything bad that happens is all her fault. However if you played DAO and the Morrigan DLC, you know that one can be a good person and use blood magic, and you also know that the mirrors arent dangerous, in fact they're quite cool, powerful, and very useful. As such, you'd naturally believe that Merrill was entirely right in what she was doing, and the people trying to get her to not do it were just dumb. In any event, I definitely kept her alive, and would want her to stay that way all the time. I don't think she's really anything like Tali, clearly before DA2 came out the info we had strongly suggested she was going to be the DA2 version of Tali, but honestly I dont see any similarities at all. She's pretty unique, and definitely cool.

When I played DA2, I had done the Witch Hunt DLC but not the Dalish origin, so I figured the mirror was perfectly fine and there was nothing wrong with it at all. A little suspicious just because of an association with Morrigan, but that was about it. Ultimately, as far as I saw Merrill's mirror does absolutely nothing throughout the entire game except give her something to do. Some say it's an obsession, but I don't think it's any more of an obsession than a graduate thesis project that's running a bit long due to some unforeseen problems (knife, demon).

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

My Hawke romancer her. Thankfully, she didn't turn into an abomination in bed! Lol

[ShadowAussie]

SoccerPlayer wrote...

 She's a blood mage and a Dalish elf who loves a shemlen

So??? That doesnt mean you should kill her off. thats kind of like falling in love with anders and your male hawk when hes a rebel haha he cant be a blood mage in awakening. magers started this war and bioware was gifted in making a perfect plot in the dragon age series. blight leads to corrupted mages,magers and templars lead to apostates and blood magers,Old Gods corrupted and ressurrect darkspawn. evenything goes to hell. seekers and the chantry. everything is base on magers any path weather their evil or good it have a good plot lined up. other corrupted countries in thadas makes it last longer like been controlled by apostates. having fleth and morrigan in the game really stirs it up and anders puts more chocolate fudge on top of that sponge cake. grey wardens fighting darkspawn remnants, Elf dalish dont believe in blood magic but they do have it ever since the tevintor emperuim. dont know how andraste didn't know about that. orlais army destroyes the dales. then there on the run like apostates.
there is alot in this game serious that mass effect couldn't compair to except for character graphics and better imports.

[ShadowAussie]

I have a female hawke that falls in love with her despite that shes a blood mage. I say I take full responsablilty for her action so I dont kill her hole tribe. she is a wonderful character I would like to see her again but not as a companion

[Zkyire]

I romanced Merril in both my playthroughs of DA2.

She seems a really cool person.

..until Blood Magic gets involved, then she's just an absolute moron.

Honestly, the only reason I didn't tell her to get ****ed was because she was my Hawke's LI. And I didn't kill her because she's just extremely naive. She truly believes making deals with demons can work out for the best.

Although she sort of has to believe that. She's probably tricking herself into believing it, as if she accepts that Demons will screw you over, then it basically invalidates everything she's trying to do, everything she's doing will backfire, all her sacrifices would have been for nothing, and her people's history would be truly lost. And she's not willing to accept that. At all.

Does she deserve to die? No.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

I have a question. Do the blood magic items give Merrill any benefits, or does the Mage have to be a full-fledged blood Mage with the bm specialization. I equipped her with items like the talisman of saaberas (sp?), but I wasn't sure if it would help her. It didn't seem to, but I might have overlooked it.

[ShadowAussie]

should work.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

ShadowAussie wrote...

should work.

One of the blood magic items said that it gave 1 mana for every health point, but her mana stats didn't change when I put it on her.

[RonixisJK]

That's not how they work; they improve the health/mana exchange rate.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

RonixisJK wrote...

That's not how they work; they improve the health/mana exchange rate.

I see. I didn't know if they were working since her specialization was technically "Dalish Pariah", and since she can't do the sorts of things that real blood mages can do like 'blood wound', 'blood control', etc.

[Cantina]

I do not agree with some peoples view on Merrill, my viewpoint
is she is an idiot. Does not matter how nice you are or understand the risks
when you use Blood Magic, bottom line is Blood Magic is wrong. Merrill may have
studied everything there is and “cleansed” the shard. The fact is in order for
her to cleanse the shard she associated herself with a demon and used blood
magic to do so. I do not see that as cleansing a shard. Just because the shard
was "cleansed" does not mean the mirror is no longer a danger. How dumb can you
be to want to restore a mirror that killed your clan mate (and nearly you if
you played a Dalish)? Hell she stood right there when Duncan said the mirror
was dangerous and he destroyed it. Yes, it would be grand for the Dalish to get
their history back but the way Merrill is choosing to go about it is wrong.

The poor clan is in complete disarray because of Merrill’s
actions and she is too blind to see it. I know she is trying to save her clan
and the history but she is going about it the wrong way. I refused to help her
restore the mirror, gave her a scolding during and after the quest and refused
to kill her clan. My character would have killed her for being such an idiot,
but, since that option was not available for my character, maybe down the road,
Merrill will wise up and not use Blood Magic anymore.

But alas this my opinion on the matter and nothing more.

Modifié par Cantina, 22 avril 2012 - 11:41 .