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[Sajuro]

jamesp81 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

They are one and the same.

-looks to world leadership, looks back to the post, looks back to world leadership-......
Seriously though, there is more to leadership, effective leadership, than ordering people around and I think Humans still have too Humancentric view of the galaxy (applying our own values to alien cultures) to be effective leaders without the other races on the council balancing us out. They are not ideal, but their concern for their own species are balanced out and since the Turians have client races, they are likely to look out for those races as well. My ideal solution after the Reaper War would be to give each race with an embassy representation on the council proportionate to their responsibilities in the galactic workings.

Right, because the Council doesn't apply it's standards to humanity.

The very worst human leadership could result in is more of the same old same old.

yes, how mean are they for pointing out that you shouldn't build colonies in the terminus systems and then act surprised when they are getting attacked.
I disagree, at the very worst human leadership could result in a revolt and a rise of anti-human sentiment in Citadel Space. The current Council could also result in a revolt if they managed to screw it up on a grand scale but given that Aliens probably view the new human council as have had staging a violent overthrow (by letting the council and everyone on the Destiny Ascension die) their threshold for such an event to occur is probably lower.
The point is that sentient creatures will judge others by their own standards, but the council being made up of multiple races is better than a one race council for a multi-race society.

[jamesp81]

Sajuro wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

They are one and the same.

-looks to world leadership, looks back to the post, looks back to world leadership-......
Seriously though, there is more to leadership, effective leadership, than ordering people around and I think Humans still have too Humancentric view of the galaxy (applying our own values to alien cultures) to be effective leaders without the other races on the council balancing us out. They are not ideal, but their concern for their own species are balanced out and since the Turians have client races, they are likely to look out for those races as well. My ideal solution after the Reaper War would be to give each race with an embassy representation on the council proportionate to their responsibilities in the galactic workings.

Right, because the Council doesn't apply it's standards to humanity.

The very worst human leadership could result in is more of the same old same old.

yes, how mean are they for pointing out that you shouldn't build colonies in the terminus systems and then act surprised when they are getting attacked.
I disagree, at the very worst human leadership could result in a revolt and a rise of anti-human sentiment in Citadel Space. The current Council could also result in a revolt if they managed to screw it up on a grand scale but given that Aliens probably view the new human council as have had staging a violent overthrow (by letting the council and everyone on the Destiny Ascension die) their threshold for such an event to occur is probably lower.
The point is that sentient creatures will judge others by their own standards, but the council being made up of multiple races is better than a one race council for a multi-race society.

The Council encouraged humanity to colonize the Terminus and the Traverse.  The reason being this would motivate humanity to fight the Terminus thugs so they wouldn't have to.  This is mentioned in conversations in ME1.  The Council wants the Terminus and Traverse pacified, and are willing to let us do all the bleeding and dying to do it so they can reap the benefits.

[TobyHasEyes]

It would be great if we could get the original scripting from Anderson in Mass Effect 1, because from what I remember he says that the Council was more than happy for the Alliance to colonise the borders of the Terminus Systems; to me that doesn't sound like a statement of fact but rather his interpretation of events. Seeing as we are also told that the Council has warned humanity against such colonising, I think its far less clear cut than people are making out

[Reapinger]

The Council is a political entity and as such cannot condone violence against any one race or favor any one race over the other. It's sad to say but I feel like the politics of the council make them seem like bad people when really they are a victims of their position. Spectres are their only agents of violence that I can think of and hopefully your Shepard took the Spectre status back.

[Clonedzero]

my very first playthrough i focused on sovereign because it seemed like the tactically wise choice.
almost every other playthrough i save them though.

i'm still SHOCKED that a galactic government of that scope and importance doesnt have "vice council members" so if one were to die or get gravely sick or something, the next in line could step up and take over. i mean our government has a crazy like 16+ chain of command of who'd take over should the president and vp die god forbid. it goes pretty far and covers almost any circumstance. i figured the council would have some sort of back up plan should anything happen to them. but i guess not lol.

[TobyHasEyes]

Clonedzero wrote...

my very first playthrough i focused on sovereign because it seemed like the tactically wise choice.
almost every other playthrough i save them though.

i'm still SHOCKED that a galactic government of that scope and importance doesnt have "vice council members" so if one were to die or get gravely sick or something, the next in line could step up and take over. i mean our government has a crazy like 16+ chain of command of who'd take over should the president and vp die god forbid. it goes pretty far and covers almost any circumstance. i figured the council would have some sort of back up plan should anything happen to them. but i guess not lol.

 It really is crazy. I wonder if they did but the military presence of the Alliance at that time meant they buckled and let Anderson, Udina and co. play out their fantasy of being human overlords

[BarrelDrago]

Well i can say that am not looking forward seeing any of the counsil member playing volleyball in thin bikini with bouncing graphique >.>

[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

Oh look, politics.

I'd rather have the United Nations rather than an all American World Domination, thanks. As a citizen of a weak country, I feel identified with the minor races who don't even have a seat in the council yet, having to become important enough to be able to negotiate their way in first.

you realize that any one of the 5 super powers that have controlling seats at the UN can veto anything with a single vote? and how all the other nations in the UN are effectively powerless compared to them? and how the UN rarely passes anything of any significance due to how rare it is that all 5 super powers actually agree on something.

not saying american imperialism is the answer or anything, but the UN is a beurocratic nightmare lol

[Sebby]

Human dominance is clearly the answer. TIM has it right.

[Congelar]

Mass Effect 2 wouldn't be complete without "Ah, yes 'reapers'"

[TheOtherTheoG]

I usually save them. They're funny. Not intentionally, of course, but I still enjoy conversations with them, for the idiocy of it all.

[Someone With Mass]

Last Vizard wrote...
No we'd win, It'll shock the Turian when they discover the power of Carriers.  The strength of Carriers was a lesson learned by Humanity during WW2 when the more chaotic period of the Human race was coming to an end.  Also Thanix cannon can be fitted to Frigates and large fighters.

Too bad that the turians came up with that cannon, then.

And I'd like to see carriers survive long range artillery fire from the dreadnoughts. People are giving the new boat way too much credibility than it deserves.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 02 mai 2011 - 10:19 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...


And I'd like to see carriers survive long range artillery fire from the dreadnoughts. People are giving the new boat way too much credibility than it deserves.

...I'm assuming the irony isn't intentional?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 02 mai 2011 - 10:21 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
That's defeatist talk. Seditionist, actually.

The Council races, combined, may have a larger fleet, but they don't have the guts to use it. Nor do they have the incentive. They are as much rivals with each other now as they are with us.

Or it's simply because they don't think we're worth the time or effort.

I bet they're just laughing at humanity's incompetence.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 02 mai 2011 - 10:55 .

[Dean_the_Young]

michaelrsa wrote...

People overestimate our race and underestimate the aliens. The Council races together have a fleet ten times the size of our own.

Had, in a Renegade's universe. As much as the arbitrary inconsistent numbers are often inconsistent, the post-Citadel report focuses on that.

[Sajuro]

So are people now assuming that Turians or other races wouldn't have started developing carriers the first time they saw humans field them?