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[ipgd]

How exactly does blood magic work? I'd gotten the impression that blood was simply a substitute for mana/lyrium for fueling powerful spells, albeit an infinitely more convenient and available resource. Or are there spells that specifically require blood as an ingredient, separate from/in addition to the general mana/lyrium/blood fuel? Both?

Would menstrual blood work in blood magic? That seems like it would be a pretty damn convenient and relatively inconspicuous way to get away with it. I am actually especially curious about this.


Also: Varric is responsible for this, right? Or do blood mages really staff themselves through the chest and blast gallons of blood out of their nipples to fight?

Modifié par ipgd, 01 mai 2011 - 11:04 .

[LobselVith8]

Blood magic is when a mage uses blood instead of mana to fuel spells. According to the legends of the Imperium, it was instructed to Archon Thalsian, who created the Tevinter Imperium, by one of the Old Gods: Dumat, the God of Silence. The Joining can be viewed as a form of blood magic, as can the phylacteries used by the templars and the ritual performed by Finn in Cadash Thaig.

Regarding different types of blood (specifically a female mage), I suppose it's possible...

[ipgd]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Blood magic is when a mage uses blood instead of mana to fuel spells. According to the legends of the Imperium, it was instructed to Archon Thalsian, who created the Tevinter Imperium, by one of the Old Gods: Dumat, the God of Silence. The Joining can be viewed as a form of blood magic, as can the phylacteries used by the templars and the ritual performed by Finn in Cadash Thaig.

That's what I figured, but the games also seem to suggest blood mages are capable of doing things normal "mana-based" mages can't (i.e. mind control). Are those kinds of spells specifically tied to blood, or just functionally unavailable to the common mage who doesn't have a wagon of full of lyrium to cart around?

[Nerdage]

Blood magic codex.

As for stabbing yourself with a staff... I don't know. The first time I saw it when Grace does it in Best Served Cold (I think it's that one) I thought it was a bug, that it was meant to switch to a dagger or something, but oh well.

Modifié par nerdage, 01 mai 2011 - 11:24 .

[Dave of Canada]

ipgd wrote...

That's what I figured, but the games also seem to suggest blood mages are capable of doing things normal "mana-based" mages can't (i.e. mind control). Are those kinds of spells specifically tied to blood, or just functionally unavailable to the common mage who doesn't have a wagon of full of lyrium to cart around?

Reading the description of Blood Control in Origins, it seems more like they control their targets by controlling their blood. I don't think the mana-based mage could do it without blood magic because of what it does.

[frustratemyself]

Cutting yourself with a dagger (like Merrill & Alain) would be more practical than stabbing yourself with a staff. The staff Grace uses doesn't have a bladed end either so it would be like stabbing yourself with a spoon - slow & painful.
But then Hawke is a bit of a masochist who seems to have a thing for slow & painful...

[ipgd]

frustratemyself wrote...

Cutting yourself with a dagger (like Merrill & Alain) would be more practical than stabbing yourself with a staff. The staff Grace uses doesn't have a bladed end either so it would be like stabbing yourself with a spoon - slow & painful.
But then Hawke is a bit of a masochist who seems to have a thing for slow & painful...

Merrill likes penetrating herself with her staff, too:

Filament wrote...

Unless the mage is menstruating in a rather unhealthy way, there probably wouldn't be enough blood to do anything significant.

You'd be surprised.

[Maria Caliban]

ipgd wrote...

How exactly does blood magic work? I'd gotten the impression that blood was simply a substitute for mana/lyrium for fueling powerful spells, albeit an infinitely more convenient and available resource. Or are there spells that specifically require blood as an ingredient, separate from/in addition to the general mana/lyrium/blood fuel? Both?

Both.

Would menstrual blood work in blood magic?

I got a thread locked for daring to ask the same.

Just so you know, this thread now belongs in the darkest depths of the internet where no light shines.

[Statulos]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ipgd wrote...

How exactly does blood magic work? I'd gotten the impression that blood was simply a substitute for mana/lyrium for fueling powerful spells, albeit an infinitely more convenient and available resource. Or are there spells that specifically require blood as an ingredient, separate from/in addition to the general mana/lyrium/blood fuel? Both?

Both.

Would menstrual blood work in blood magic?

I got a thread locked for daring to ask the same.

Just so you know, this thread now belongs in the darkest depths of the internet where no light shines.

I see your post and that leads me to think... If blood from non-mages work, why don´t Blood Mages use slaughterhouses and power plants?

[mesmerizedish]

Statulos wrote...

I see your post and that leads me to think... If blood from non-mages work, why don´t Blood Mages use slaughterhouses and power plants?

Perhaps it needs to be human blood? I'm not aware of any animals possessing magic.

[frustratemyself]

Ah, I don't always get wounds of the past for Merrill so I missed this. I was thinking on Sundermount in act 1 when she's trying to be dainty & impress you.

As for the menstruation/blood magic I don't think it would be practical. Since it happens over days a woman would have to have a genuine medical condition for it to be workable into blood magic unless they were only doing very minor spells.

[ipgd]

frustratemyself wrote...

As for the menstruation/blood magic I don't think it would be practical. Since it happens over days a woman would have to have a genuine medical condition for it to be workable into blood magic unless they were only doing very minor spells.

Couldn't she, um, collect it? ... I know painters who do this, so I figure...

[leggywillow]

The blood mage animations are a bit ridiculous.  Some palm-cutting here and there, okay.  But literally impaling yourself?  Geez.

Arishok: Uh-huh.  So that's an average day for you then?
Hawke: No doubt.
Arishok: You impale yourself with a staff and bleed out?
Hawke: Hell yeah.
Arishok: And I think at one point you said something about perforating vital organs?
Hawke: Nope!
Arishok: Actually I'm pretty sure you did.
Hawke: Nah, that ain't me.
Arishok: Okay, well this has been eye-opening for me.
Hawke: I'M THE BAS.

[frustratemyself]

ipgd wrote...

frustratemyself wrote...

As for the menstruation/blood magic I don't think it would be practical. Since it happens over days a woman would have to have a genuine medical condition for it to be workable into blood magic unless they were only doing very minor spells.

Couldn't she, um, collect it? ... I know painters who do this, so I figure...

This would make for some nasty phylactories, but again practicality? Perhaps an option for the very long term planner.

[mesmerizedish]

leggywillow wrote...

Hawke: I'M THE BAS.

Epic

[BubbleDncr]

The first time I saw Hawke impale herself I was like, "Holy Crap!!"

It kind of made me wonder how everyone missed the fact that she was a blood mage. I mean, I get people maybe missing that fact that I cut my hand open before every battle in Origins...but stabbing a giant staff through your chest every battle...kind of hard to miss. But Anders and Fenris only berated Merrill for blood magic, not me.

[mellifera]

leggywillow wrote...

The blood mage animations are a bit ridiculous.  Some palm-cutting here and there, okay.  But literally impaling yourself?  Geez.

Arishok: Uh-huh.  So that's an average day for you then?
Hawke: No doubt.
Arishok: You impale yourself with a staff and bleed out?
Hawke: Hell yeah.
Arishok: And I think at one point you said something about perforating vital organs?
Hawke: Nope!
Arishok: Actually I'm pretty sure you did.
Hawke: Nah, that ain't me.
Arishok: Okay, well this has been eye-opening for me.
Hawke: I'M THE BAS.

Lol, my blood mage was incredibly unimpressed when Qunari start throwing spears at him. He's done worse to himself , hahahaha.

[ipgd]

yukidama wrote...

He's done worse to himself , hahahaha.

Like Synthol.

[leggywillow]

yukidama wrote...
Lol, my blood mage was incredibly unimpressed when Qunari start throwing spears at him. He's done worse to himself , hahahaha.

Hawke is unimpressed by giant, hard Qunari spears.

[mellifera]

ipgd wrote...

yukidama wrote...

He's done worse to himself , hahahaha.

Like Synthol.

If people like you weren't judging him all the time maybe he wouldn't have to resort to such extreme measures, gosh.

[Ulicus]

I'm choosing to chalk the OTT staff impaling up to Varric exaggerating or Cassandra having a weird imagination. I'll concede I thought it was pretty cool the very first time I saw it... but I grew tired of it quickly. I'd have preferred an animation akin to Jowan's palm slitting.

[ipgd]

yukidama wrote...

If people like you weren't judging him all the time maybe he wouldn't have to resort to such extreme measures, gosh.

Aww, Anders would still sniff his jock even if he looked like Emile.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Statulos wrote...

I see your post and that leads me to think... If blood from non-mages work, why don´t Blood Mages use slaughterhouses and power plants?

Perhaps it needs to be human blood? I'm not aware of any animals possessing magic.

If animal blood doesn't work because they don't have magic, wouldn't that rule out dwarves too? Or would dorfs be special?

Modifié par ipgd, 02 mai 2011 - 12:31 .

[mesmerizedish]

ipgd wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Perhaps it needs to be human blood? I'm not aware of any animals possessing magic.

If animal blood doesn't work because they don't have magic, wouldn't that rule out dwarves too? Or would dorfs be special?

If my guess about the reason is correct, then I'd assume that dwarves couldn't be used either. I've also never heard of dwarves being used to power blood magic. Just human and elf slaves as sacrifices, or the caster herself (who's always a human or an elf, since dwarf mages don't exist).

But, my guess is just that, and my reasons are cicrumstancial.