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[Destroy Raiden_]

I've talked about this subject before on another thread but I agree w/ OP realistically he/she should be infertile but sense this is a game BW if they go with that other thread who's just dying to have their sheps have kids then shep will magically be able to have them reality be damned. Finding out Miranda was sterile was sad and as many people know I hate this girl but even I was saddened by her news. If shepard ended up finding out he/she was sterile I would be sad but it fits with all that has happened and thus is a plus 1. Maybe shep can have the option in game to go get tested him/herself and player later in game finds out he/she is infertile due to unknown reasons the scientist could even remark there is no life and the items are dead much to the doctor's confusion.

For longevity I've never heard of shep saying to Jacob he felt that bad but if it was a ren option I wouldn't have chosen it. I didn't talk to Miranda much so I never heard on her longevity but it makes sense she was a genetic construct after all so shep would life along time or like the protagonist in advent rising die from complications. We don't know crap about cyborgs other then the fact the collectors are cyborgs so using them as a basis so long as the parts are maintained you can live forever the problem then becomes would you want to?

EDIT: On the issue of cryofreezing genetic tissue the isotopes or the chemicals used in the cryo process overtime have a negative effect on the tissue stored. IE it breaks down the tissue and instead of preserving it harms it beyond the ability to fix so even a clone couldn't be made of it. Now I've got no clue on time wise how long this takes but it does occur so all those people who froze their bodies in cryo by the time we figure out how to get them out the first batch who went under will = unviable.

Just like your CD, DVDs, Film, Tapes, and other such materials will erase themselves over time due to the processes used to make them so will dna become useless from a frozen corpse.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 02 mai 2011 - 10:47 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't get this idea that he/she would be infertile. Considering the whole unlikeliness of the scenario anyway, we can presume Cerberus magic left him with a functioning package.

I don't see how the subject would play a role in ME3 anyway with the exception of these rather cheesy "Shepard has a family and lives happily ever after" endings some want.

[008Zulu]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Go listen to the Lazarus station tapes again - the idea was to rebuild Shepard without any modifications whatsoever.

Re OP: In theory they could have re-grown pretty much all of Shepard in a vat (which is common enough for limbs as of Revelation) so 150 years is not unlikely, maybe twice that with the medigel lattice and implants. He might be brain dead as a result but that probably doesn't affect fertility.

Besides, think about the implications of your ideas. Do you also think that people reliant on a pacemaker are "not human"?

That bit about brain dead is spot on. Unless they have a means to conjure a person's soul from the ether, ME1's Shep died either from hypoxia or slamming in to the planet after being caught in the gravity well.

After 6 minutes without oxygen the brain suffers permenant damage, Shepard is dead.

[Sapienti]

You know you're in too deep when you're discussing the reproductive properties of a fictional character...in a universe where he died and was resurrected.

[xI extremist Ix]

I didn't read your whole post OP because of the first paragraph. First thing, GAMETES do not have all of your DNA, only half of it because meiosis is different than mitosis. Plus it is a game, my Shepard didn't die, his mortal vessel did.

[Bluko]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Shadow Borker

Ha ha! Oh that slaps me on the knee!

*Ahem* Anyways I see no reason why Shepard can't reproduce. If most of Shepard's cells and body tissue can be regenerated I'm sure all their key organs are functional. Besides not being able to have kids is generally rather demoralizing to most people, so I'm sure Cerberus bothered to make Shepard was functional in that regard as well.

Shepard's longetivity on the other hand is a far more interesting question. On one hand Shepard was rebuilt with numerous biological enhancements. Also Shepard is more or less someting of a cyborg given that a number of biological features have technical parts included in them. We see some of Shepard's bones being fixed with braces and it's also known that Shepard's eyes are partly mechanical. This probably means part of the brain are as well. Generally speaking you'd think all of these modifications would allow Shepard to live much longer since there's less risk of his/her body degrading.

However at the same time Renegade Shepard seems to have issues holding their face together. It does seem somewhat possible that some of Shepard's implants may interfere with natural healing processes, which would not help Shepard live longer. Also it could be discovered that the Illusive Man made it so Shepard has much shorter lifespan, in that after a few years and once the Reapers are likely defeated Shepard will die. I can't see The Illsuive Man wanting to have Shepard outlive him or threaten his post-Reaper plans.

Still my take on things is that the numerous improvements made to Shepard will allow them to live as long as any other Human, maybe even a little longer.

[Zabaniya]

008Zulu wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Go listen to the Lazarus station tapes again - the idea was to rebuild Shepard without any modifications whatsoever.

Re OP: In theory they could have re-grown pretty much all of Shepard in a vat (which is common enough for limbs as of Revelation) so 150 years is not unlikely, maybe twice that with the medigel lattice and implants. He might be brain dead as a result but that probably doesn't affect fertility.

Besides, think about the implications of your ideas. Do you also think that people reliant on a pacemaker are "not human"?

That bit about brain dead is spot on. Unless they have a means to conjure a person's soul from the ether, ME1's Shep died either from hypoxia or slamming in to the planet after being caught in the gravity well.

After 6 minutes without oxygen the brain suffers permenant damage, Shepard is dead.

What about burning up in the atmosphere?

[PMC65]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Prince of Kemet wrote...

This would definitely explain why Shepard was hacked during Overlord.

and if a VI can hack Shepard just imagine what an AI with knowledge spanning hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years could do to him/her.

This isn't looking good for my Shepard!

[Computer_God91]

008Zulu wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Go listen to the Lazarus station tapes again - the idea was to rebuild Shepard without any modifications whatsoever.

Re OP: In theory they could have re-grown pretty much all of Shepard in a vat (which is common enough for limbs as of Revelation) so 150 years is not unlikely, maybe twice that with the medigel lattice and implants. He might be brain dead as a result but that probably doesn't affect fertility.

Besides, think about the implications of your ideas. Do you also think that people reliant on a pacemaker are "not human"?

That bit about brain dead is spot on. Unless they have a means to conjure a person's soul from the ether, ME1's Shep died either from hypoxia or slamming in to the planet after being caught in the gravity well.

After 6 minutes without oxygen the brain suffers permenant damage, Shepard is dead.

Unless they found the technology to reverse the effects the lack of oxygen has on the brain then yea he's probably dead. Strange though cause if they recovered the body and didn't add anything organic but somehow brought all the dead tissue back to life its weird to say that ME1's Shep is dead and someone else is in control of the exact same body. If he didn't crash into the planet but remained in orbit it's possible that he froze and we know that you can be revived from being frozen so at that point all thats left is reversing the damage that was done via lack of oxygen.

[Clonedzero]

i write off his reentry into the planet as a low gravity / thin atmosphere planet and his kinetic barriers remaining active to absorb most of the impact and his suit keeping his body mostly intact.

and his resurrection as sci-fi medical mojo. i mean people are making arguments using todays technology as evidence how it isnt possible. and yeah, by todays standards its impossible.

faster than light travel is impossible by todays standards too. so is artificially altering somethings mass (which is pretty much the corner stone of most of ME's technology)

bioware didn't go into the details on how exactly the process works because in the grand scheme of things, its not really important. its super sci-fi medical miracle.

i find it sorta odd that people arguing that its impossible to bring him back are freely accepting biotics, faster than light travel, and instantaneous travel between two places that are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. but i guess having super advanced medical technology is too unbelievable huh? lol

[Last Vizard]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I've talked about this subject before on another thread but I agree w/ OP realistically he/she should be infertile but sense this is a game BW if they go with that other thread who's just dying to have their sheps have kids then shep will magically be able to have them reality be damned. Finding out Miranda was sterile was sad and as many people know I hate this girl but even I was saddened by her news. If shepard ended up finding out he/she was sterile I would be sad but it fits with all that has happened and thus is a plus 1. Maybe shep can have the option in game to go get tested him/herself and player later in game finds out he/she is infertile due to unknown reasons the scientist could even remark there is no life and the items are dead much to the doctor's confusion.

For longevity I've never heard of shep saying to Jacob he felt that bad but if it was a ren option I wouldn't have chosen it. I didn't talk to Miranda much so I never heard on her longevity but it makes sense she was a genetic construct after all so shep would life along time or like the protagonist in advent rising die from complications. We don't know crap about cyborgs other then the fact the collectors are cyborgs so using them as a basis so long as the parts are maintained you can live forever the problem then becomes would you want to?

EDIT: On the issue of cryofreezing genetic tissue the isotopes or the chemicals used in the cryo process overtime have a negative effect on the tissue stored. IE it breaks down the tissue and instead of preserving it harms it beyond the ability to fix so even a clone couldn't be made of it. Now I've got no clue on time wise how long this takes but it does occur so all those people who froze their bodies in cryo by the time we figure out how to get them out the first batch who went under will = unviable.

Just like your CD, DVDs, Film, Tapes, and other such materials will erase themselves over time due to the processes used to make them so will dna become useless from a frozen corpse.

I'd love to live forever however i remember there being a chromosome that depletes slowly when your cells replicate and thats why you start falling apart...... the only reason people give for not wanting to live forever is the loss of loved ones, people die and its as simple as that.

[Last Vizard]

Clonedzero wrote...

i write off his reentry into the planet as a low gravity / thin atmosphere planet and his kinetic barriers remaining active to absorb most of the impact and his suit keeping his body mostly intact.

and his resurrection as sci-fi medical mojo. i mean people are making arguments using todays technology as evidence how it isnt possible. and yeah, by todays standards its impossible.

faster than light travel is impossible by todays standards too. so is artificially altering somethings mass (which is pretty much the corner stone of most of ME's technology)

bioware didn't go into the details on how exactly the process works because in the grand scheme of things, its not really important. its super sci-fi medical miracle.

i find it sorta odd that people arguing that its impossible to bring him back are freely accepting biotics, faster than light travel, and instantaneous travel between two places that are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. but i guess having super advanced medical technology is too unbelievable huh? lol

A friend and i have laughed about this too, i think it comes from starwars and those types of sci-fis where you can jump from one point in the galaxy to another but people don't have nanomachines inside their body rembuilding them... like Lukes hand, why the hell is it robotic and not regrown by injecting the stump with nanomachine/his own genetic goop so his body doesn't reject it?

Most people can't think outside of their own little worlds.

[008Zulu]

Zabaniya wrote...

What about burning up in the atmosphere?

The ice planet the Normandy crashed on has a very thin atmosphere, his armour would have provided protection from the worst of it, the fall however, at terminal velocity he'd look like chilli con carne. The armour would keep all the pieces more or less in one place.

[JunMadine]

Maybe they pulled off a Halo 3 moment? Like when master chief crashed to Earth and was knocked out but other wise unharmed. Granted he was a super soldier, but still you never know.

[didymos1120]

008Zulu wrote...

The ice planet the Normandy crashed on has a very thin atmosphere...

No, sorry:

Alchera's crust is composed of carbon and water ice. While low density, its large size allows it to retain a thick atmosphere of methane and ammonia.

[008Zulu]

didymos1120 wrote...

008Zulu wrote...

The ice planet the Normandy crashed on has a very thin atmosphere...

No, sorry:

Alchera's crust is composed of carbon and water ice. While low density, its large size allows it to retain a thick atmosphere of methane and ammonia.

Alchera's atmospheric pressure is 0.85 at the surface, Earth's is 101 at the surface. The higher up, the less the pressure. Compared to earth, its thin.

[LorDC]

Don't see a point i discussing it. Bioware didn't give any clues about this matter and they can bend it pretty much anywhere they want. "He is cyborg and thus immortal" makes as much sense as "We managed to patch him up but he'll die in next couple of years because our tech is imperfect".

[Avalon Aurora]

Shepard will use technology from project overlord and the way bio-amps and stuff work to create a mind-machine interface and upload his consciousness to a Geth, and then use a program blender to have children with Legion.

[celuloid]

008Zulu wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

008Zulu wrote...

The ice planet the Normandy crashed on has a very thin atmosphere...

No, sorry:

Alchera's crust is composed of carbon and water ice. While low density, its large size allows it to retain a thick atmosphere of methane and ammonia.

Alchera's atmospheric pressure is 0.85 at the surface, Earth's is 101 at the surface. The higher up, the less the pressure. Compared to earth, its thin.

No. Alchera's atmospheric pressure is 0.85 Earth atmospheres, Earth's atmospheric pressure is 1 Earth atmosphere.

Modifié par celuloid, 03 mai 2011 - 10:41 .

[008Zulu]

celuloid wrote...

No. Alchera's atmospheric pressure is 0.85 Earth atmospheres, Earth's atmospheric pressure is 1 Earth atmosphere.

The standard measurement scale used is kPa (Pascal), why would Bioware use a non-standardized system?

[didymos1120]

008Zulu wrote...

The standard measurement scale used is kPa (Pascal), why would Bioware use a non-standardized system?

What does it matter? They do. It's not like it's hard to check this for yourself: just go examine any random planet in either game. They all use that relative unit. Even Earth is listed at "1 Earth Atmosphere". 

[Ieldra]

Clonedzero wrote...
i write off his reentry into the planet as a low gravity / thin atmosphere planet and his kinetic barriers remaining active to absorb most of the impact and his suit keeping his body mostly intact.

and his resurrection as sci-fi medical mojo. i mean people are making arguments using todays technology as evidence how it isnt possible. and yeah, by todays standards its impossible.

faster than light travel is impossible by todays standards too. so is artificially altering somethings mass (which is pretty much the corner stone of most of ME's technology)

bioware didn't go into the details on how exactly the process works because in the grand scheme of things, its not really important. its super sci-fi medical miracle.

i find it sorta odd that people arguing that its impossible to bring him back are freely accepting biotics, faster than light travel, and instantaneous travel between two places that are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. but i guess having super advanced medical technology is too unbelievable huh? lol

Yeah, there's that. People go bonkers when anything interesting happens in the life sciences. Me, I'd rather go bonkers at the sheer implausibility of asari looking exactly like human women.

Anyway, the problem with FTL is that it is needed to have a functioning and understandable SF universe. You can do without it, but that makes the universe far less accessible. I would wish they'd have used less nonsensical method, like traversable wormholes, which are at least known to not be physically impossible (yet). ME's reasoning for FTL travel is just silly.

Biotics - if you adhere strictly to lore and ignore some aspects of game mechanics, the only thing I'd say about them is that they're not economical. If you can have an organic doing all that basically telekinetic stuff just with a  little added eezo in its body, you can sure build a device that does the same thing more reliably. Of course that would be far less cool.... and I'm sure in-world some people would prefer the built in stuff even if it is less efficient.

Shepard's coming back from the dead I justify by his body being frozen fast enough that little permanent damage was done to his brain. Yeah, that's a stretch, but what alternative is there? Basically, the only one is that he isn't Shepard. Which would open a big can of worms I'm sure Bioware doesn't want opened and will blithely ignore in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 mai 2011 - 12:01 .

[didymos1120]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Shepard's coming back from the dead I justify by his body being frozen fast enough that little permanent damage was done to his brain. Yeah, that's a stretch, but what alternative is there?

Throw in "The suit flooded Shep's system with a massive medi-gel dose which greatly aided tissue preservation."

[Computer_God91]

didymos1120 wrote...

Alchera's crust is composed of carbon and water ice. While low density, its large size allows it to retain a thick atmosphere of methane and ammonia.

Oh, cool, so it's atmosphere is composed of farts and urine.