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[Ksandor]

OK maybe there is a reason for Illusive Man wanting to kill Shepard. According to Mass Effect Evolution comic, Illusive Man has been partially assimilated by a Repaer device. Maybe a dormant indoctrination command had been translanted in his mind -- making him a sleeper agent if you will. Maybe the coming of Reapers triggered that command and now Illusive Man is totally indoctrinated and wants Shepard dead.

I would like to remind you that if Shepard saves the Collector Base there is no need for Illusive Man to be angry to Shepard. Then why he wants to kill him?

My theory could be simple wishful thinking. But it is a nice twist to the story. I mean Illusive Man's Reaper tech eyes should have some concequences right?

[ExtremeOne]

If there is a logical reason as to why then I will be happy but of not well then I hope Bioware has body bags in 3 because I plan on using them on my alliance enemies

[008Zulu]

I still reckon Shepard is ingredient number 1 in TIM's Reaper he plans to make using the commandeered base.

[GodWood]

I don't believe we have any information that says TIM wants to kill Shepard.

[didymos1120]

I'm partial to the notion that at some point TIM comes to think, for whatever reason, that Shep's anti-Reaper plan is actually going to get them all killed. This seems like it would offer some interesting opportunities choice-wise. I.e., you could manage to convince TIM you know what you're about and return to a state of detente and even cooperation, which in turn could give you an opening to betray him down the line and shatter Cerberus for good or even take it over. That sort of thing.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 07:34 .

[SennenScale]

Indoctrination feels kind of cheap. I'd prefer it that TIM just decides that you're a loose end or a liability rather than copy+paste Saren. Perhaps he learned something from the base that obsoletes the need for YOU to defeat the reapers.

[Fiery Phoenix]

GodWood wrote...

I don't believe we have any information that says TIM wants to kill Shepard.

To be honest, no, we don't. Casey Hudson said they want to "hunt and stop [Shepard]," Of course, one could argue that means killing Shepard, but it can also mean other things that don't necessarily involve killing her.

On the other hand, Retribution more or less explicitly stated that TIM has a tendency to kill his clients once he no longer needs them.

[lolwut666]

Maybe the Illusive Man has a plan to deal with the Reapers that would actually further their goals, but he doesn't know and won't acknowledge that, so Shepard is forced to stop him.

Or he just goes mad with power.

[didymos1120]

Oh, another thing I like about the "TIM thinks Shep will get us all killed" thing: for him, it'd be a sort of cruel irony. He brings you back precisely because "You're a leader, Shepard. You'll get who you need", so it'd be pretty galling that, from his POV, that's exactly the problem. Kind of a "Well...sh*t. They're following all right. Too bad Shep's leading 'em right off the damn cliff." He'd actually feel it was his duty to stop you, since he's the reason you still exist.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[DarthSliver]

Well right now all we can do is jump to conclusions that will ****** us off. Because to be honest I have to wait until we get more info to even want to decide why TIM is after us. I am bit with ExtremeOne on this matter in the sense that it doesnt make sense. This is from the Paragon point of view too, because as far as i know we are both aiming to stop the Reapers. So essential we are after the same goals and it doesnt make sense to me why TIM is after you in ME3.
My best guess,which is quite off, would be TIM found out why Harbinger has a thing for Shepard lol.

Modifié par DarthSliver, 02 mai 2011 - 08:31 .

[ExtremeOne]

didymos1120 wrote...

Oh, another thing I like about the "TIM thinks Shep will get us all killed" thing: for him, it'd be a sort of cruel irony. He brings you back precisely because "You're a leader, Shepard. You'll get who you need", so it'd be pretty galling that, from his POV, that's exactly the problem. Kind of a "Well...sh*t. They're following all right. Too bad Shep's leading 'em right off the damn cliff." He'd actually feel it was his duty to stop you, since he's the reason you still exist.

   


Thats how your Shepard feels but My Shepard will always do what ever it takes to make humanity's postion in the galaxy is strong . If the aliens want to work and understand my Shepard then fine . but those that get in My way will be dealt with . If it mean destroying most of the galaxy to save Earth then I will do it .  

[Fiery Phoenix]

Irony has been pretty prominent in the galaxy lately: See Bring Down the Sky vs. Arrival.

[Someone With Mass]

Then again, I'd want to control my four billion credit investment too.

[Ahriman]

didymos1120 wrote...

Oh, another thing I like about the "TIM thinks Shep will get us all killed" thing: for him, it'd be a sort of cruel irony. He brings you back precisely because "You're a leader, Shepard. You'll get who you need", so it'd be pretty galling that, from his POV, that's exactly the problem. Kind of a "Well...sh*t. They're following all right. Too bad Shep's leading 'em right off the damn cliff." He'd actually feel it was his duty to stop you, since he's the reason you still exist.

That sounds interesting, but as far as we know Shepard will try to gather united army to fight Reapers. Nothing suspicious and potentially evil [well, it's surely better than sit and wait for Reapers].

[corporal doody]

Indoctrinated? no way. I think TIM is bads*** bonkers. he has lost touch with humanity.

but the big question for me is...why go through the effort to bring Shep back..then want to kill him. Doesnt matter if you played ball in ME2...he wants you dead. Shep is all that is left of the Lazarus Project and that is TIM's potential fountain of youth? IS Shep to be used as bargaining chip for TIM to save himself from the Reapers? Does TIM want to suck the knowledge about the Reapers and Collector's out of Shep's head? Will TIM take all his vital info, the best human speciments, and the IFF and hide out cuz he knows fighting the Reapers is a lost cause...then when the Reapers are gone he is gonna MAKE SURE HUMANITY is in charge...spending the 50000 years to get ready for the next Reaper invasion?

i dunno...BioWare got a big dragon to slay here

Modifié par corporal doody, 02 mai 2011 - 08:46 .

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Oh, another thing I like about the "TIM thinks Shep will get us all killed" thing: for him, it'd be a sort of cruel irony. He brings you back precisely because "You're a leader, Shepard. You'll get who you need", so it'd be pretty galling that, from his POV, that's exactly the problem. Kind of a "Well...sh*t. They're following all right. Too bad Shep's leading 'em right off the damn cliff." He'd actually feel it was his duty to stop you, since he's the reason you still exist.

   


Thats how your Shepard feels but My Shepard will always do what ever it takes to make humanity's postion in the galaxy is strong . If the aliens want to work and understand my Shepard then fine . but those that get in My way will be dealt with . If it mean destroying most of the galaxy to save Earth then I will do it .  

That's not how "my" Shepard feels.  It has nothing to do with what any Shep feels.   Do you even read what people write?

[lolwut666]

ExtremeOne's posts are hilarious.

I think he is just pulling our legs.

[didymos1120]

lolwut666 wrote...

ExtremeOne's posts are hilarious.

I think he is just pulling our legs.

I don't know about that.  He's got a twitter URL listed on his profile page, and complains about Cerberus getting the shaft there too. 

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

I don't know about that.  He's got a twitter URL listed on his profile page, and complains about Cerberus getting the shaft there too. 

Enjoys being a rebel. Ha.

More like the forum's official fool.

[Seboist]

didymos1120 wrote...

I'm partial to the notion that at some point TIM comes to think, for whatever reason, that Shep's anti-Reaper plan is actually going to get them all killed. This seems like it would offer some interesting opportunities choice-wise. I.e., you could manage to convince TIM you know what you're about and return to a state of detente and even cooperation, which in turn could give you an opening to betray him down the line and shatter Cerberus for good or even take it over. That sort of thing.

I'd dig that but also an option to work side by side with him at the end and become Mrs.Harper in the case of femshep. =)

[darknoon5]

didymos1120 wrote...

I'm partial to the notion that at some point TIM comes to think, for whatever reason, that Shep's anti-Reaper plan is actually going to get them all killed. This seems like it would offer some interesting opportunities choice-wise. I.e., you could manage to convince TIM you know what you're about and return to a state of detente and even cooperation, which in turn could give you an opening to betray him down the line and shatter Cerberus for good or even take it over. That sort of thing.

Eh. It just seems to be a sharp U-turn. Especially seeing as TIM spent so much bring Shep back. It's on of the better theories, but realistically, I doubt Cerberus will have an alternative to Shepard's plan.

[Someone With Mass]

I doubt that Cerberus can gather all alien races or defeat the Reapers on their own, in any realistic fashion.

[didymos1120]

darknoon5 wrote...

Eh. It just seems to be a sharp U-turn. Especially seeing as TIM spent so much bring Shep back. It's on of the better theories, but realistically, I doubt Cerberus will have an alternative to Shepard's plan.

Why not?  That's practically all TIM does: hatch plans.  It doesn't have to be one that will work, just one TIM thinks will work. In fact, TIM having an alternate plan isn't necessary at all.  All that's required is that he becomes convinced Shep's will fail in the worst possible way: by practically guaranteeing the Reapers win.

[darknoon5]

didymos1120 wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Eh. It just seems to be a sharp U-turn. Especially seeing as TIM spent so much bring Shep back. It's on of the better theories, but realistically, I doubt Cerberus will have an alternative to Shepard's plan.

Why not?  That's practically all TIM does: hatch plans.  It doesn't have to be one that will work, just one TIM thinks will work. In fact, TIM having an alternate plan isn't necessary at all.  All that's required is that he becomes convinced Shep's will fail in the worst possible way: by practically guaranteeing the Reapers win.

I suppose, but it would have to be well-done to not make TIM look incompetent or stupid. Cerberus doesn't really have the resources to do another plan, unless it involves the collector/reaper tech.

[lolwut666]

Eh...

I don't see why so many people argue that there's no way TIM would ever kill Shepard because of what he went through to bring him back.

Shepard is, and has always been, a wild card. He also happens to be the best of the best, which is why TIM brought him back in the first place: no one else would be up to the challenge. But it's obvious that, sooner or later, Shepard will prove to be more trouble than he is worth.

It's a statement to his capacity for forward-thinking and confidence on his own schemes that he'd invest so much on Shepard even though he'd have to kill him eventually.

Modifié par lolwut666, 02 mai 2011 - 09:35 .