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[Hepzi3]

He has been blocking Shepard's path every step of the way! In ME he lobbied the Council to ground the Normandy pre Illos, thus creating the potential for an early Reaper invasion. If not for the heroism of a one David Anderson, we would all be Reaper chow!

In ME2 he denies existence of Reaper, but also makes Turian Councilor even more of an ****! Not only that but he encourages the Council to discredit Shepard,the Savior of the Citadel! In truth the Council not believing Shepard is somewhat understandable, but Udina is the Human Ambassador to the Council, he is supposed to represent Humanity's interests, I do not see how he does this EVER during the 2 games,unless he does it during the novels and I am simply unaware of it.

In short, once the Reapers hit the Citadel,and/or Palaven and or/Earth and or Thessia and or Tuchanka, Donnel Udina needs to be arrested by a Spectre or otherwise an Agent of the Council.

Not even for an "I told you so" moment, but morein just an "This guy is crazy, he has delayed our response to this impending threat." Sort of like what the Council is making Shepard out to be.


Thanks for responses. Im not even trying to say Udina is a bad character,he is the typical Proantagonist. He is a great character and somewhat compelling even. I actually do like him,just a little, but every time he grounds the Normandy SR1 after Virmire I am angry. Dude,I just lost one of my crewmates(R.I.P Kaidan Alenko:crying:), and I havent been wrong thus far. please just take one more leap of faith on one of my hunches, if im wrong,take away my Spectre status.

[SennenScale]

Damn right Udina needs to be arrested. He all by his lonesome nearly damned the galaxy. At least the council's guilt is split three ways.

[ExtremeOne]

I disagree

[lolwut666]

You can't arrest someone for that, though.

Fire, maybe.

Modifié par lolwut666, 02 mai 2011 - 08:08 .

[Hepzi3]

No it isnt! All three of them had reasonable suspicion to not believe Shepard,he was basically pulling a Saren 2.0 in ME. Udina is different though, his job wasnt to be suspicious, but to represent Humanity's best interests! Trusting Shepard facilitates representing Humanities best interests, he has not done so at any point during the entire series.

What im trying to say: Given The Council's job, they have a right to be suspicious, their decisions (as the Asari Councilor says) impact the GALAXY, the decisions of Udina impact Humanity. 2 different things.

The Council is absolved of their sin, but Udina can NOT be.

[Hepzi3]

lolwut666 wrote...

You can't arrest someone for that, though.

Fire, maybe.

I think you can. Especially with the special circumstances.

I keep reiterating myself. In ME, Udina's job is to project humanities best interests,he has never and probably never will do this.

I really cant argue my point right,its 4:13 AM I havent slept yet.

[lolwut666]

Well, Udina probably figured that pampering to the Council would be more benefical to humanity, because that might mean gaining a Council seat sooner.

[ExtremeOne]

Hackett needs to be arrested for stupidity

[TheChris92]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Hackett needs to be arrested for stupidity

Please specify. You seem to have an undeniable hatred for the alliance, so I would like to hear what exactly your arguments are for this.

Modifié par TheChris92, 02 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[Ryzaki]

Can't we just shoot him?

No?

[Someone With Mass]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Hackett needs to be arrested for stupidity

If you're honestly trying to say that the Alpha relay incident was his fault, then you should really stop posting on this forum, since nothing but childish crap comes out of your mouth.

[SennenScale]

Hepzi3 wrote...

No it isnt! All three of them had reasonable suspicion to not believe Shepard,he was basically pulling a Saren 2.0 in ME. Udina is different though, his job wasnt to be suspicious, but to represent Humanity's best interests! Trusting Shepard facilitates representing Humanities best interests, he has not done so at any point during the entire series.

What im trying to say: Given The Council's job, they have a right to be suspicious, their decisions (as the Asari Councilor says) impact the GALAXY, the decisions of Udina impact Humanity. 2 different things.

The Council is absolved of their sin, but Udina can NOT be.

Is this in response to my comment?

I meant in terms of...have you heard of the Swiss Messenger trope? Udina, aside from the short period before you are a spectre, barely matters as far as the game was concerned and has a disproprotionate ability to derail your plan to save galaxy compared to his role. At least the council stalling you makes sense, having that kind of power over you and it is split between three people.

Modifié par SennenScale, 02 mai 2011 - 08:26 .

[Babli]

Look at it from his point of view. Probably raised in rich family, growing up in best schools, great carrier ahead of him.

And suddenly, some Shepard starts rumbling about race of sentient god-like starships from his/her..ehm...visions.

Modifié par Babli, 02 mai 2011 - 08:26 .

[008Zulu]

Wasn't Udina forced to retire from that smear campaign you can fund from the Shadowbroker DLC?

[Hepzi3]

Ryzaki wrote...

Can't we just shoot him?

No?

Shepard will face a trial, possibly with the option of facing a firing squad at the conclusion of that trial.

Shepard has done 10000000% more than Udina.

Udina's worst crime is incompetence leading to the deaths of some in the Citadel fleet.

Shepard's worst crime is (possibly) destruction of the Rachni,Geth and 300,000 batarians. Shepard is a mass murderer at best,a misguided imbecile at worst.

No,I do NOT want Udina to face a firing squad. Shepard,though, damn well should. But its the fate of the galaxy at stake, and hence such his punishment should be delayed until after ME3.

Edit: Udina should face at most 1 year in a Council incarcerational facility, with the option instead of 3 years probation as ordered by the Council.

Modifié par Hepzi3, 02 mai 2011 - 08:33 .

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I disagree

But he's a career Alliance politician.  By ExtremeOne definition, that means he's deserving of Extreme punitive measures.  You should make him sit on the ship the entire game, I say. 

[CroGamer002]

After she get's arrested for incompetence, we can talk.

[SennenScale]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I disagree

But he's a career Alliance politician.  By ExtremeOne definition, that means he's deserving of Extreme punitive measures.  You should make him sit on the ship the entire game, I say. 

Not to mention, doesn't ExtremeOne always go on about how Cerberus is doing stuff and the Alliance is not going up against the Reapers? Udina does less than Anderson to try and stop the Reapers.

[didymos1120]

008Zulu wrote...

Wasn't Udina forced to retire from that smear campaign you can fund from the Shadowbroker DLC?

No.  People only think that because they used an image with him in it to say "This about galactic politics and stuff", but the identity of the person was never stated, and Udina is just fine in Inquisition and Retribution.  Also, look at what the text there says:

“A corrupt politician is trying to levy heavy taxes on all Earth-manufactured goods coming into his system in exchange for kickbacks from local businesses. Ruin the politician's reputation with a smear campaign so that his proposal doesn't pass.”

Udina doesn't have "a system" and he certainly wouldn't be shaking down local small businesses. Not grandiose enough for a guy like him. I mean, he's either the Alliance ambassador to the Citadel or the Councilor.  And whatever else he is, he wouldn't act against Earth interests in that way.  I doubt the politician involved was even human.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 08:37 .

[Hepzi3]

Mesina2 wrote...



After she get's arrested for incompetence, we can talk.

Who is that?

And totally different circumstances, I highly doubt she holds the fate of the entire galaxy in her hands.

[TheChris92]

SennenScale wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I disagree

But he's a career Alliance politician.  By ExtremeOne definition, that means he's deserving of Extreme punitive measures.  You should make him sit on the ship the entire game, I say. 

Not to mention, doesn't ExtremeOne always go on about how Cerberus is doing stuff and the Alliance is not going up against the Reapers? Udina does less than Anderson to try and stop the Reapers.

He would make the Alliance pay, for the actions of the Illusive Man even if he would want Shepard dead. Perhaps he would elaborate on why he thinks this way. I'm curious none the less.

Modifié par TheChris92, 02 mai 2011 - 08:40 .

[Vanaer]

It's obvious most of you haven't been in active RL politics. When you don't have a majority position, the best thing you can do is polishing the rough edges of decision making. Anyone who has been in a minority position/opposition knows how frustrating it is (and it makes you very cynical - well, it did that to me anyway) that you can not forward your own visions and that you will have to lift on the vision of others (and should be happy when you receive the gifts of having a small point scored by yourself).

In other words: Udina should probably give a lot, to get some small rewards for humanity. If that's playing along with the council, he'll rightly do so. Is Udina a dick? Yea, he is - he's no sympathetic friend of Shepard. But incompetent? No...

Modifié par Vanaer, 02 mai 2011 - 08:45 .

[Hepzi3]

Vanaer wrote...

It's obvious most of you haven't been in active RL politics. When you don't have a majority position, the best thing you can do is polishing the rough edges of decision making. Anyone who has been in a minority position/opposition knows how frustrating it is (and it makes you very cynical - well, it did that to me anyway) that you can not forward your own visions and that you will have to lift on the vision of others (and should be happy when you receive the gifts of having a small point scored by yourself).

In other words: Udina should probably give a lot, to get some small rewards for humanity. If that's playing along with the council, he'll rightly do so. Is Udina a dick? Yea, he is - he's no sympathetic friend of Shepard. But incompetent? No...

I hate to flatly call someone wrong. But I have to with you,and please dont take any offense,none is intended nor implied.

Udina deliberately risked the lives of the entire Citadel fleet. Suppose the Reapers had broke through the Citadel Relay. Then what? Everyone is dead. Grounding the Normandy is akin to telling every living being on Earth to commit suicide right now, because we think...

Udina did not protest the potentially suicidal actions of the Council. The Council had reason to be suspicious, he did not. He is incompetent at worst. I am NOT ASKING for a firing squad for him, he does not deserve it. He is a minor criminal at best, but he is still a criminal none the less.

He has consistently sided with the majority,when doing so could have proved fatal to the cause of mankind.

[Someone With Mass]

Then again, all Udina had to go on when he decided to ground the Normandy was Shepard's word. And for a guy who got zapped in the coconut on multiple occasions, Shepard probably didn't sound sane to Udina.

[lolwut666]

Like the Council, Udina doesn't believe the Reaper threat.

He never even considered the possibilty that the Reapers could use the Citadel relay, or that the Citadel fleet would be no match for Sovereign and his geth.

Therefore, you can't blame what happened on his incompetence, but rather on his and the Council's ignorance and stubborness.

Udina is as much to blame as the Council.

And yes, Udina *did* have reasons to be suspicious, because he doesn't work for Shepard. He is a politician dealing with politicians in politics. He does what's best from a political standpoint, and from a political standpoint it was a good decision to use the situation with Shepard to get on the Council's good graces.

His goal from the start was to give humanity a seat on the Council, and not for a moment did he detract from that goal.

You don't like it; I don't like it, but that doesn't mean what he did was wrong or that he deserves to be punished.

Modifié par lolwut666, 02 mai 2011 - 09:00 .