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[Dean_the_Young]

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@Dean_the_Young

I feel like I'm being trolled...[/quote]You're aren't.
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I'm gonna stop talking to you after this post,[/quote]And yet you wish for an extensive last word? 

How magnanimous. Let's see how long this will last.


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First of all, there is *no* Collector technology. [/quote]And you missed the point of categorical differentiation between what people know the Collectors have and what the Collectors actually had. Yes, we've established that.

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Anyway, like I said, those who were killed were actively hostile. If you are going to accuse Shepard of genocide, then you must also agree that the USA committed genocide of the germans in WW2, as well as of the iraqi not long ago, and that everytime one side of a conflict kills members of the other side, that's genocide.[/quote]Those have all been accused. Certainly the US involvement and responsibility in the post-war Japanese famine can not be denied, nor forgotten.

But then, as I said, there is the matter of justified genocide. It remains genocide all the same. Anything you associate with that, of course, is your own cultural hanger-ons.

(Though, quite frankly, there's no reason other than plot that Shepard had to kill the Thorian: Shepard could have called the colony a lost cause and quarantined the place.)
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Also, the "genocide" of the Collectors committed by Shepard was under The Illusive Man's orders, so there goes your claim that Cerberus never committed genocide.[/quote]First, no 'scare quotes': the elimination of the Collectors is genocide, and a total one at that. Second, Shepard wasn't 'under orders': Shepard was out for the Collector's end on his own volition as well.

Third, I don't recall denying Cerberus had been involved in genocide, if I did I do sincerely apologize, but you yourself have already brought up a most helpful argument between the difference of the Collectors (not only in the morality, but also the numbers) versus those of the Nationalist Socialist regime, the comparison of which I was denying.

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Also, Cerberus is responsible for thousands of deaths. They have bombared entire colonies with eezo, and killed hundreds in their many experiments.[/quote]Thousands is to millions what you are to an entire school building of students. Less, actually, given that by the analogy Cerberus went on to save the entire town the school is in.

Again, Shepard is directly responsible for far, far more deaths both directly (Arrival, the Destiny Ascension delimma) without even factoring in hostile Geth.

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And I never said that the others do not deserve any credit; I just said that Shepard is the most important factor. You can deny all you want, but that does not change the fact that Shepard is the one who saves the galaxy in the end. The others deserve credit, of course, but they are always in a supporting role.[/quote]That's a rather vain, self-important interpretation of events. You might as well argue that the galaxy revolves around Shepard as well.

Someone else might point out that Cerberus was a far more active player in addressing, planning, and arranging the Collector's fall than Shepard ever was, and that Shepard was glorified hired-muscle.  Which was Shepard's primary role in the Collector Conflict. Why consider the hired help the most important factor?