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[Icinix]

Udina may be an arse...but he is fantastic at his job...if a little narrow (human) minded (which he should be funny enough).

Incompetent, far from it.

[Hepzi3]

I feel like im banging my head against the metaphorical wall. Ill post my argument one last time and then give up.

Its not Udina's job to determine if Shepard is sane or not in ME. If you (stupidly) made him a Councilor in ME2, then it is.

It is the Council's job to determine if Shepard is sane or not in ME. Udina formally protesting the decision,understandably would not have made ALL the difference to the Council,but it would have at least registered as a blip on their metaphorical radar. By not protesting the decision, Udina is essentially asking for Humanity's interests to go to the wayside.

It doesnt matter if Shepard is wrong about the Reapers or not. Through metagaming,we all know he is not. Udina and the Council do not know what Shepard knows. And as such, the Council not understanding is reasonable. Shepard is the first Human spectre. By not advocating for Shepard, Udina is hurting humanities cause. It doesnt matter if he is wrong, Udina's job is clear,to advance Humanity.

If Udina went with Shepard and did not shut the Normandy down, its possible to think proof of the Reapers could have been found,which would have mobilized the Council (HOPEFULLY) in time for ME3.

[lolwut666]

You're meta-gaming.

Udina, like the Council, didn't even consider the possibility of the Reapers existing, so something like you described would make absolutely no sense.

And I repeat myself: Udina doesn't work for Shepard, so he has no more reason to believe him than anyone else does.

And standing up for Shepard would not advance the cause of humanity as much as gaining a seat on the Council would, which is what Udina was trying to do by siding with the Council.

Modifié par lolwut666, 02 mai 2011 - 09:07 .

[Hepzi3]

lolwut666 wrote...

You're meta-gaming.

Udina, like the Council, didn't even consider the possibility of the Reapers existing, so something like you described would make absolutely no sense.

And I repeat myself: Udina doesn't work for Shepard, so he has no more reason to believe him than anyone else does.

And standing up for Shepard would not advance the cause of humanity as much as gaining a seat on the Council, which is what Udina was trying to do by siding with the Council.

Finding proof of the Reapers on Illos changes EVERYTHING. **** a Council seat, we get a Fleet named after Anderson,Udina,Shepard,Williams,Alenko,Moreau,Pressly etc.

[Hepzi3]

Forget it,I realize my argument is fundamentally flawed since Shepard still cant find evidence of the Reapers even with an extra hour on Illos.

[CroGamer002]

Hepzi3 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

*snip*

After she get's arrested for incompetence, we can talk.

Who is that?

And totally different circumstances, I highly doubt she holds the fate of the entire galaxy in her hands.

True, but she is holding fate of fate of my country but keeps putting in bigger dept and more unemployment.

Only thing I can see on bright side that she wasn't elected but in position since previous prime minister quit and currently in jail for corruption.


But now I'm going too off-topic and too political so I think I should stop here.

[lolwut666]

Hepzi3 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

You're meta-gaming.

Udina, like the Council, didn't even consider the possibility of the Reapers existing, so something like you described would make absolutely no sense.

And I repeat myself: Udina doesn't work for Shepard, so he has no more reason to believe him than anyone else does.

And standing up for Shepard would not advance the cause of humanity as much as gaining a seat on the Council, which is what Udina was trying to do by siding with the Council.

Finding proof of the Reapers on Illos changes EVERYTHING. **** a Council seat, we get a Fleet named after Anderson,Udina,Shepard,Williams,Alenko,Moreau,Pressly etc.

I fail to see how having a Fleet named after Shepard and cia. advances the cause of humanity more than holding a position of ultimate authority in Citadel space.

Modifié par lolwut666, 02 mai 2011 - 09:13 .

[Hepzi3]

The Council seat is useless. The Turian Councilor STILL doesnt listen to anything ANYONE says,Even Udina!

[Gabey5]

Indeed

[didymos1120]

Hepzi3 wrote...

The Council seat is useless. The Turian Councilor STILL doesnt listen to anything ANYONE says,Even Udina!

I'll laugh if the turian councilor turns out to be a secret mastermind.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 09:31 .

[TobiTobsen]

TheChris92 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Hackett needs to be arrested for stupidity

Please specify. You seem to have an undeniable hatred for the alliance, so I would like to hear what exactly your arguments are for this.

Did you just ask the ExtremeOne for arguments? EO isn't arguing. Arguments are just some kind of Alliance propaganda!!1

Seriously, EO seems to have some anger management problems regarding the Alliance, because they dare to question Shepards affiliation with Cerberus.

Don't feed the troll.

[008Zulu]

didymos1120 wrote...


No.  People only think that because they used an image with him in it to say "This about galactic politics and stuff", but the identity of the person was never stated, and Udina is just fine in Inquisition and Retribution.

You'd think they would have just picked some random dude instead of an image of Udina.

[SalsaDMA]

The previous ambassador was much better than Udina too. why couldn't they have kept her?

[didymos1120]

008Zulu wrote...

You'd think they would have just picked some random dude instead of an image of Udina.

I suppose, but they likely wanted someone that instantly said "Politics!" and Udina is pretty much that guy in ME-land.  Not that I don't think it wasn't a little bit of an odd choice, but I can see what they were thinking. 

[didymos1120]

SalsaDMA wrote...

The previous ambassador was much better than Udina too. why couldn't they have kept her?

She was in her early 60s in Revelation, which would put her at ~80 in ME1, so she probably just retired.  Or who knows? Maybe the Alliance places term limits on Citadel Ambassadors or something.  But the real reason?  Bioware wanted someone in the job who wasn't particularly likable or a Shep fan because it serves the plot.  Goyle wasn't really the type to pull the Normandy lockdown stunt or get on Shep's case like Udina did.

[Zulu_DFA]

He is the president of the Council and the best man for the job at that.

Who needs to be arrested and hanged for treason is David Anderson for his actions in Retribution.

And the Turian Cuincillor is already dead, as he should be.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 mai 2011 - 10:52 .

[Merchant2006]

Oh god here we go *rolls eyes*

[corporal doody]

incompetence is not a crime. negative results which are directly related to incompetence may be considered a crime.

Udina hasnt shown incompetence at all. He is a shrewd politician. Love him or hate him.
I THINK.....When all is said and done...Udina is either gonna try and suck up to Shepard to convince him he (Udina) is the right man to lead the rebuilding of civilization...or he is going to retire in shame.

Modifié par corporal doody, 02 mai 2011 - 12:20 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Hepzi3 wrote...

He has been blocking Shepard's path every step of the way! In ME he lobbied the Council to ground the Normandy pre Illos, thus creating the potential for an early Reaper invasion. If not for the heroism of a one David Anderson, we would all be Reaper chow!

In ME2 he denies existence of Reaper, but also makes Turian Councilor even more of an ****! Not only that but he encourages the Council to discredit Shepard,the Savior of the Citadel! In truth the Council not believing Shepard is somewhat understandable, but Udina is the Human Ambassador to the Council, he is supposed to represent Humanity's interests, I do not see how he does this EVER during the 2 games,unless he does it during the novels and I am simply unaware of it.

In short, once the Reapers hit the Citadel,and/or Palaven and or/Earth and or Thessia and or Tuchanka, Donnel Udina needs to be arrested by a Spectre or otherwise an Agent of the Council.

Not even for an "I told you so" moment, but morein just an "This guy is crazy, he has delayed our response to this impending threat." Sort of like what the Council is making Shepard out to be.


Thanks for responses. Im not even trying to say Udina is a bad character,he is the typical Proantagonist. He is a great character and somewhat compelling even. I actually do like him,just a little, but every time he grounds the Normandy SR1 after Virmire I am angry. Dude,I just lost one of my crewmates(R.I.P Kaidan Alenko:crying:), and I havent been wrong thus far. please just take one more leap of faith on one of my hunches, if im wrong,take away my Spectre status.

I don't think you understand what 'incompetence' means.

Though arguing that galactic policy should be changed to accomodate for one person's emotional stress when one person is already increasingly and widly viewed as crazy is a good example of it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Edit: Never mind, ninjad four hours ago.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 02 mai 2011 - 12:20 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Hepzi3 wrote...

Finding proof of the Reapers on Illos changes EVERYTHING.

Except, you know, that Vigil broke down after Shepard got there, and Shepard had no claim for there being proof of the Reapers on Illos before charging off. Shepard didn't even know what the Conduit was.

**** a Council seat, we get a Fleet named after Anderson,Udina,Shepard,Williams,Alenko,Moreau,Pressly etc.

We get no such fleets.

[Reapinger]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Hackett needs to be arrested for stupidity

I think you need to be arrested for stupidity.

[jamesp81]

Udina should be taken out and shot.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

That's something for those who hate him ^^

[Moiaussi]

lolwut666 wrote...

You're meta-gaming.

Udina, like the Council, didn't even consider the possibility of the Reapers existing, so something like you described would make absolutely no sense.

And I repeat myself: Udina doesn't work for Shepard, so he has no more reason to believe him than anyone else does.

And standing up for Shepard would not advance the cause of humanity as much as gaining a seat on the Council would, which is what Udina was trying to do by siding with the Council.

The Reapers are a red herring. The conduit was plausable and worth investigating and a single stealth frigate is really unlikely to start any wars, particularly when sent into a region the Alliance already officially claims.

Even if Sovereign was just a Geth Dreadnaught, the Conduit could still have been a weapon and not investigating Illos could still have cost them the Citadel, which in turn could have cost them control of the Relays leading to a Geth/Saren victory.

The Normandy was docked in the Alliance embassy. The Council didn't even formally ask for it to be locked down. If there was a question of Shepard's sanity, a psych exam could have been ordered. If there was a question of Shepard's command, the ship could have been sent out with an observer or under alternative command.

There was no reason not to at least investigate. Udina's refusal to advocate for such an investigation speaks to incompetence. It is also questionable exactly what he reports home. He is just the ambassador after all. He is supposed to be just a liason but routinely acts as if he is a lot more.