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[blauterranit]

If the hero of Ferelden met Liliana as a Sister of the Chantry on Lothering.... How is possible that Hawke never saw her face anytime before being neighbors both of them through by the years they lived on that mini-little-almost-uninhabited village?

They weren't living in The Apple, were they?

At least, I hoped hear from Hawke something like... Your face looks familiar to me... at Lothering perhaps?  when he/she met Liliana, Sister Nighingale. Just like Anders and Alistair, even though they met both of them just 30 seconds in the begining of The Awaking....
Too hard for my mind... don't find an answer :-)

[turian councilor Knockout]

Well, the only thing i can think of is that Hawke isn't the preaching type of person or that Leliana used her stealth every time she went outdoor other than that i too feel it is very strange that Hawke never met her (Lothering isn't exactly big).

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 02 mai 2011 - 01:26 .

[saresy]

Bethany does talk about Leliana telling the best stories in the Lothering Chantry. Nothing from Hawke, though.

[Maria Caliban]

Bethany and Aveline talk about her. Hawke asks why she isn't dead.

[TobiTobsen]

I never understood how Bethany could listen to Lelianas stories. Was Beth hanging around at the chantry and listened to her while the templars stood right next to her? I don't think so.
Even Aveline said that she knew the red haired trickster at the Lothering chantry. How so? I thought Aveline just traveled through Lothering with the army?
Maybe Hawke never went to the chantry and just prayed for himself (he IS andrastian after all, no matter what personality you choose for him), since he just knows her from the stories of the Hero from Ferelden.


I think it's just fan service that Bethany and Aveline both talk about Leliana, even without the Sebastian DLC.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 02 mai 2011 - 02:23 .

[blauterranit]

Strange that a teenager apostate goes to the chantry or a guard going to Lothering only once time for meet her husband can talk about the Sister...... but Hawke?

In my DAO plays, Leliana never died, so my Hawke never could ask for why she isn't dead...

Well, as Flemeth says... I'll never be a Dragon :-P so why being minded? ... but... although... that black hole of memory... Never, never a inkling of a casual met... strange ;-)

[Herr Uhl]

I remember my Hawke mentioning that she was a sister in Lothering, asking why she wasn't dead. Bethany knew every templar in the neighborhood, so why wouldn't she know of the sisters?

Aveline is the odd one, and might be a remnant from an earlier build where she was supposed to be from Lothering :shrugs:

[Shepard Lives]

TobiTobsen wrote...

I never understood how Bethany could listen to Lelianas stories. Was Beth hanging around at the chantry and listened to her while the templars stood right next to her? I don't think so.
Even Aveline said that she knew the red haired trickster at the Lothering chantry. How so? I thought Aveline just traveled through Lothering with the army?
Maybe Hawke never went to the chantry and just prayed for himself (he IS andrastian after all, no matter what personality you choose for him), since he just knows her from the stories of the Hero from Ferelden.


I think it's just fan service that Bethany and Aveline both talk about Leliana, even without the Sebastian DLC.

Aveline lived in Lothering with Wesley.

[TobiTobsen]

Wasn't that scrapped somewhere in the development?

Ingame it sounds like Aveline was traveling with the army through Lothering and Wesley was just passing through on his way to Ostagar to find Aveline. And the Hawkes don't know them.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 02 mai 2011 - 03:14 .

[Knight of Dane]

Aveline is from Denerim, and i think i remember someone metioning that Wesley is from Highever, but i haven't seen confirmation on this.

[Knight of Dane]

TobiTobsen wrote...

I never understood how Bethany could listen to Lelianas stories. Was Beth hanging around at the chantry and listened to her while the templars stood right next to her? I don't think so.
Even Aveline said that she knew the red haired trickster at the Lothering chantry. How so? I thought Aveline just traveled through Lothering with the army?
Maybe Hawke never went to the chantry and just prayed for himself (he IS andrastian after all, no matter what personality you choose for him), since he just knows her from the stories of the Hero from Ferelden.


I think it's just fan service that Bethany and Aveline both talk about Leliana, even without the Sebastian DLC.

You must remember that Templars in the chantry actually isn't anything custom, they mostly come there to pray like any other.
The reason why the chantry in Lothering is filled with them is because they are protecting the reugees and keeping order.
There's no templars in Redcliffe, and the only ones seen in Denerim just stand around in the city.
In Ameranthine there is one Knight Liutanant in the chantry.
In Kirkwall there isn't any templars in the chantry except when they hunt for Anders in act 1 and some of them join Petrice in act 2.

[Wulfram]

If you're an apostate it probably makes more sense to fit in and go to the chantry regularly than to shun it.

[Shacary]

still cant the templars " sense " magic like some sense lyrium.. O well I think all the templars in Kirkwall must have been dead drunk or something, cuz my Mage Hawke shot spells off everywhere and when Mage hawke didnt... Bethany did lol

[Michal256]

And don't forget about mage Hawke (or any of Hawke's companion being a mage) casting spells in front of Cullen during Enemies among us quest. There is something wrong about that.

As for Leliana - why would Hawke need to know everyone in Lothering? There was the same thing with workers in Hubert's mine. One claimed to be from Lothering, but why would Hawke know him?

Leliana wasn't really that important character before she joined hero of Ferelden. Perhaps Hawke could remember her, but he could also missed that she was the one, who once was in Lothering.

And don't forget that it was 7 years since they lived in Lothering.

[blauterranit]

But it seems that everybody knows Hawke family... even Barlin... or whatever is his name, who mailed the champion asking for giant spiders!!! The minerman also knows Hawke... and a person like champion personality doens't ever seen the face of one of few Sisters of that small Chantry in years?

Sorry, but Chantry never has been a cloister, hasn't it? And in all small villages, sooner or later along 3 or 5 years you will finally see the faces of every inhabitant, not knew them but saw them. In fact, the Hero met Leliana in the tavern!!!!, not in the chantry, so the sister one didn't quite hidden for Lothering people... I think :-D Did Hawke avoid drink there in his/her early 20 years???

What a Saint!!!

[blauterranit]

Michal256 wrote...

And don't forget about mage Hawke (or any of Hawke's companion being a mage) casting spells in front of Cullen during Enemies among us quest. There is something wrong about that.

As for Leliana - why would Hawke need to know everyone in Lothering? There was the same thing with workers in Hubert's mine. One claimed to be from Lothering, but why would Hawke know him?

Leliana wasn't really that important character before she joined hero of Ferelden. Perhaps Hawke could remember her, but he could also missed that she was the one, who once was in Lothering.

And don't forget that it was 7 years since they lived in Lothering.

Yes, and remember that the Hero made jobs of the anounces table, met the qunary, saved Boddan, helped templars facing villans from village entering, I mean... all  enterally chapter for the first adventure after Ostagar fall... and Hawke forgotten all that? Oh! For the holly unmemorized Maker!!!

As Fenris says:... I can't.. I can't... It's too much maddening...

[Michal256]

Well...

Depending on your character choice, Hawke could have either been in Ostagar and only just got back to Lothering so they could run, or was busy preparing to leave Lothering as soon as Carver returns from Ostagar. And we don't know when exactly did they begin their escape.

[blauterranit]

When I talk of DAO I call the NPC The Hero (of Ferelden) and when I talk about DA2 I say The Champion (of Kirkwall).

The Ostagar fall I refered is the one The Hero live beside Alistair (DAO).

In DA2 Hawke says to Fenris, in the first dialogue, part of Act 1 with him, that he/she grew up in Ferelding. If is so, Hawke must knew The hero and his/her companions (Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana and/or Sten...) during th chapter Lothering in DAO....

Let me know if I'm wrong....

[Icy Magebane]

blauterranit wrote...

When I talk of DAO I call the NPC The Hero (of Ferelden) and when I talk about DA2 I say The Champion (of Kirkwall).

The Ostagar fall I refered is the one The Hero live beside Alistair (DAO).

In DA2 Hawke says to Fenris, in the first dialogue, part of Act 1 with him, that he/she grew up in Ferelding. If is so, Hawke must knew The hero and his/her companions (Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana and/or Sten...) during th chapter Lothering in DAO....

Let me know if I'm wrong....

The Warden was only passing through, and Hawke claimed to have lived on the outskirts or "outside" Lothering (one of those...).  I think it's reasonable that Hawke never encountered the Warden's group, regardless of his origin (mage or warrior/rogue).

I remember hearing once that one of the farmers Sten murdered was one of Bethany's friends...

[Sanguinerin]

Hawke may not have had a presence in the Chantry that often. As for Bethany, it isn't like you can instantly tell who a mage is or not when they're not walking around in mage robes and carrying staves. The Hawkes lived in Lothering, so I imagine she tried to avoid the templars as often as possible, but also act/remain normal. She is an Andrastian, and perhaps she felt it important to visit the Chantry despite being a mage.

Modifié par HallowedWarden, 03 mai 2011 - 05:12 .

[Knight of Dane]

And again: Templars are not a patrolling unit, go through Kirkwall and you will only meet them when it's quest related and of course in the Blooming Rose, i doubt there has been many templars on any normal day in Fereden too, there was a blight during all og DA:O that calls for extra attention.

I really much doubt Bethany was in any danger in Lothering.

And of course they have been hunted before, it's mentioned several times that they had lived many places before Lothering.

[blauterranit]

yes, but Hawke "grew up in Lothering", let's say 10 years, 7 years? and Leliana (the issue of my first post) live in Lothering for 3 or 4 years escaping from Orlais. Forget all of you Chantries and Templars, and remember that Leliana was in the TAVERN of Lothering, not hidden, not anonymous.
Use your logical sense of chronologic avoidding all other personages.

Barlin, the farmer-merchant of the poisoning traps (DAO) who writte a letter to Hawke (DA2) (not to mother's Hawke) asking for giant spiders, so it indicates that Hawke (even as a mage) keep neighborship while hes living in Lothering.

Really, five years of your live and you never visit public places of the small village where you are living? When you want live an anonymous life for no arousing suspicious, you try to seem integratted in daily life of villagers. I think.... Story that Bioware presents us is no describing some days or weeks but a lot of years in a SMALL, very SMALL village with a few, very few inhabitants! Blide came after (so, probably didn't meet The Hero, but that was happen when Sten where there... dates are wrong??) Althpough LELIANA already live for years there...

Looks like unexplained LOST's misterious....

[Tielis]

HallowedWarden wrote...

As for Bethany, it isn't like you can instantly tell who a mage is or not when they're not walking around in mage robes and carrying staves.

The templars in Lothering sure picked Morrigan out for a mage just by looking at her (arguably it could have been her strange way of dressing, but still).

Also, when my Amell spoke to the head templar guy there in Lothering, she asked him, "You do know I'm a mage, right?" and his response was something along the lines of he wouldn't be a good templar if he couldn't tell who was and was not a mage.

You'll sleep better at night when you realize DA2's plot has more holes than swiss cheese.