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The thing that puts me off the most with the DH design is the lack of head plates or whatever they're called. Plus, I'd imagine that bald spot is pretty sensitive to radiation.
The rest? Eh. I guess it's okay.
Turian Ladies: THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN
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The thing that puts me off the most with the DH design is the lack of head plates or whatever they're called. Plus, I'd imagine that bald spot is pretty sensitive to radiation.
The rest? Eh. I guess it's okay.
I wrote a post just a bit above you to try and explain that.
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The DH version doesn't really have any fringe going on, there is the faceplate yes but no fringe and no plating on the neck or back of the head (which should be consistent with protecting one of the most vulnerable areas of the body from radiation). It is NOT consistent with what Garrus says ("If you were a turian I would compliment your fringe..") and it's not very consistent with the asari head tentacles either. I'm not sure we're looking at the same picture?
Garrus never said what the female fringe looked like. Ever. And they DO have fringes. A fringe is just the outer most edge of something. What they have just didn't conform to the pre-conceived idea that you had (I had the same pre-conceived idea too, but I recognise it was based on a slight misinterpretation). Why people keep insisting they don't have fringes, Idon't know *shrugs*.
With regards to the similarity between the asari and female turian fringes, I'll just repeat myself, and underline the part that I think is most important:
"There is a similarity to the asari head fringe in that the female turian fringe shares the quality of gently curving up at the tips; but the similarity is tenuous enough (to human eyes) to make it consistent with the bachelor party conversation, which showed that the visual similarity between the asari and a given species is only particularly noticeable to members of that species."
To go into a bit more detail:
"I think most people had it in their heads that the female fringe was supposed to look the same as the male one, mainly because of what the bachelor party turian said - to paraphrase, "Asari look most like turians because of the head fringe". He never said HOW they looked similar - but obviously everyone assumed that he was referring to the length of the asari fringe, rather than any other quality (e.g. the way the asari fringe curve upward at the tips), simply because that was the main similarity anyone could see between the male turian fringe and the asari one; no one thought to consider that perhaps it was a more subtle similarity that is incidental to a human, but prominent to a turian. For one thing, the turian and salarian failed to see the how the asari body is identical to the human body. Identical. If they can't see that similarity, I think it's safe to assume that the similarity between the female turian fringe and the asari fringe is tenuous to us. Which could be due to asari mind control or a difference in the way the visual cortex works for different species or any number of other things. The fact is, different species, for whatever reason, don't see these similarities between their species and the asari the same way as each other."
In other words, they're meant to look barely consistent with each other.. that's the point.
Genetically speaking it doesn't make sense, plenty of turians still live on Palaven or in environments that have high radiation. It would take several, several thousands of years to lose that kind of protective plating.. there should be SOME remnants of the plating still there if that was the case. And if this was happening, why are the men not affected?
Well... maybe it did (it doesn't have to though). Why do women lack chest hair and men don't? How did we survive without so much body hair during an ice age? How did blue eyes so quickly become prominent in Europe despite being a recessive gene? Why can't the baldness of those female turians similarly be due to a recessive gene too? Why is it so impossible for a species to survive without being perfectly evolved. It seems to be that turians, as an intelligent race like us, are very able to adapt to harsh environments, despite any evolutionary shortcomings they may have.
And other than the schoolgirl fanart, what fanart has been disturbing in this thread? There have been beautiful interpretations here, again, most people don't want the female turians to be humanified or "sexed up". Most of them look very close to the males.
Some of it is hilariously bad/creepy, but that's subjective - nothing I would be offended by
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And other than the schoolgirl fanart, what fanart has been disturbing in this thread? There have been beautiful interpretations here, again, most people don't want the female turians to be humanified or "sexed up". Most of them look very close to the males.
Indeed, some of it is nice and tastefully done.
I personally find a picture of a Turian dressed in a checked mini-skirt slightly creepy but, as AN said, it's subjective. If that's what you like, that's what you like
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With the exception of the Japanese School Girl Fetish Turian, the concepts in this thread are pretty damned good. Hopefully Bioware is taking notes.
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I agree with everything AwesomeName said. He's a smart little cookie that one, but I could be biased...
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DuckSoup wrote...
I agree with everything AwesomeName said. He's a smart little cookie that one, but I could be biased...
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@AwesomeName: As I said before, the DH design is perfectly valid and I'm sure it will look much better rendered in-game. I, too, would really like to see some alien females that break the whole "sex-ay lay-dee" mold. My only two problems with it are:
1. Taken as it is, the bald spot doesn't make sense lore-wise without providing some long-winded "recessive trait" explanation like you have, and even then most females shouldn't have it, just like most people don't have blue eyes. The only exception to this would be if we visited an isolated, low-radiation colony, but we're not--we're going to Palaven('s moon). There needs to be some plating there, at least.
2. I have a personal vendetta against Dark Horse.
Otherwise, infinite high-fives. You da bomb.
1. Taken as it is, the bald spot doesn't make sense lore-wise without providing some long-winded "recessive trait" explanation like you have, and even then most females shouldn't have it, just like most people don't have blue eyes. The only exception to this would be if we visited an isolated, low-radiation colony, but we're not--we're going to Palaven('s moon). There needs to be some plating there, at least.
2. I have a personal vendetta against Dark Horse.
Otherwise, infinite high-fives. You da bomb.
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Some brilliant concept art in here, if fans can make female turians so easy i don't understand why BioWare can't do it.
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Thankies, AdmiralCheez If they decide to keep the DH design, but simply add some neck plating to extend over the top, I'll be perfectly happy - just as long as they don't change anything else about it - I think that would be pandering too much to some people's unwillingness to understand why it's not inconsistent.
If they do keep the bald scalp, I'll obviously be fine with that too - I still don't think it doesn't make sense; anymore than our lack of body hair doesn't. Why be bothered about that, if we're going to take our lack of body hair for granted? As for having to provide an explanation - personally, I don't think it's long-winded when you consider how much info goes into a typical codex entry. And it doesn't have to be a recessive trait explanation either; e.g. they could just say it's a whole bunch of genes and other factors, but that it's unclear how it happened, just as it's unclear how we lost so much hair despite being in an ice-age at one point.
Having said that, if it was a recessive gene, that wouldn't mean that it would be impossible to see a bald turian on Palaven - just as it's not impossible for an Ethiopian to be in Sweden. Furthermore, recessive traits can become more common than dominant traits in a given population if there's enough sexual preference for it (e.g. blue eyes in Europe).
As for Dark Horse.. yeah... Can't say I'm happy with all the insane action poses, either
. But they're not always bad - at least for the majority of the time, they can draw the aliens properly (activates flame shield) - sometimes they're even really good at it (really hopes we see Tazzik).
Thankies, AdmiralCheez
If they decide to keep the DH design, but simply add some neck plating to extend over the top, I'll be perfectly happy - just as long as they don't change anything else about it - I think that would be pandering too much to some people's unwillingness to understand why it's not inconsistent.If they do keep the bald scalp, I'll obviously be fine with that too - I still don't think it doesn't make sense; anymore than our lack of body hair doesn't. Why be bothered about that, if we're going to take our lack of body hair for granted? As for having to provide an explanation - personally, I don't think it's long-winded when you consider how much info goes into a typical codex entry. And it doesn't have to be a recessive trait explanation either; e.g. they could just say it's a whole bunch of genes and other factors, but that it's unclear how it happened, just as it's unclear how we lost so much hair despite being in an ice-age at one point.
Having said that, if it was a recessive gene, that wouldn't mean that it would be impossible to see a bald turian on Palaven - just as it's not impossible for an Ethiopian to be in Sweden. Furthermore, recessive traits can become more common than dominant traits in a given population if there's enough sexual preference for it (e.g. blue eyes in Europe).
As for Dark Horse.. yeah... Can't say I'm happy with all the insane action poses, either
. But they're not always bad - at least for the majority of the time, they can draw the aliens properly (activates flame shield) - sometimes they're even really good at it (really hopes we see Tazzik).
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Ehhhh... Yeah, I guess so. But turians are pragmatic, and female baldness as a really common trait on Palaven? They'd probably relate that to weakness. Kind of like, "great, she'll get brain cancer unless she wears a hat all the time. No thanks." I don't know--just speculating here. Yeah, modern medical science could fix it, but it'd be like if humans considered nearsightedness or peanut allergies attractive. Then again, aliens may have different standards of beauty, but I just don't think turians would find a potential weakness appealing, especially if they expect every single citizen to be a soldier, and then get married and make little soldiers, etc.
Not that I'll freak out if they're all bald. I just think it'd be better if they weren't.
Not that I'll freak out if they're all bald. I just think it'd be better if they weren't.
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Ehhhh... Yeah, I guess so. But turians are pragmatic, and female baldness as a really common trait on Palaven? They'd probably relate that to weakness. Kind of like, "great, she'll get brain cancer unless she wears a hat all the time. No thanks." I don't know--just speculating here. Yeah, modern medical science could fix it, but it'd be like if humans considered nearsightedness or peanut allergies attractive. Then again, aliens may have different standards of beauty, but I just don't think turians would find a potential weakness appealing, especially if they expect every single citizen to be a soldier, and then get married and make little soldiers, etc.
Not that I'll freak out if they're all bald. I just think it'd be better if they weren't.
Fair enough, it's certainly possible that they find baldness less attractive, but again, that may not matter since it doesn't have to be due to a recessive gene anyway - e.g. if could be for a similar reason why we lack of body hair (which we're still not sure about).
And I doubt turians would think wearing hats is ridiculous if it's necessary and normal for them
Psychologically it would be no different to how we view wearing clothes.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:00
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Personally, I always thought they wore hats so they didn't poke someone's eye out in crowded public places...
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Man, I'm away for a day and we get six pages? Good on y'all!
I'm not going to bump that schoolgirl Turian because I find her disconcerting, but I did notice one awesome thing in that illustration: her "hair clips" appear to be giant metal staples driven straight into her plates!
Now that's a freaking Turian-style accessory right there.
I'm not going to bump that schoolgirl Turian because I find her disconcerting, but I did notice one awesome thing in that illustration: her "hair clips" appear to be giant metal staples driven straight into her plates!
Now that's a freaking Turian-style accessory right there.
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Posté 04 mai 2011 - 08:16
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I'll just leave this here..
Pwener2313 wrote...
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Deebe wrote...
I'll just leave this here..
I really like this.
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100k wrote...
Deebe wrote...
I'll just leave this here..
I really like this.
YES
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I want some female turians! I wonder though on how ME will explain on how and why the Citadel is full of turian women all the sudden after a decade of no lady turians in sight...
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100k wrote...
Deebe wrote...
I'll just leave this here..
I really like this.
meh ... could improve with softer skin and some pretty girly tattoos
![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
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NO! OH HELL NO! <_<Jademoon121 wrote...
100k wrote...
Deebe wrote...
I'll just leave this here..
I really like this.
YES
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Be honest. You'd totally hit it.Alexander Kogan wrote...
NO! OH HELL NO! <_<
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Be honest. You'd totally hit it.Alexander Kogan wrote...
NO! OH HELL NO! <_<
With a stick.
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To be fair, that was a pretty ugly turian to begin with.
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I think the devs should design a turian female without caring about making it appealing to the player (humans). They're aliens.
