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#201
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I really don't understand why people have such an issue with this, as it falls in line with the 'avian' thing. I.E. males being "prettier" than females.

It does, and I wouldn't mind females being less showy than males, but Dark Horse has a habit of doing bad things to Mass Effect.  See Wrex in OP.

But I really really do like some of that fanart better, and I don't care really as long as we see ONE at least in ME3.

Couldn't agree more.

#202
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Why does every female have to fit the humanities standard of beauty?

Because the gaming industry seems to think that Pwener2313 is an accurate representation of everyone that buys their games.

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I meant that I want Bioware to develop what they feel is an accurate representation of Turian females - not Darkhorse. If Bioware approves of the design, then fine. 

I still don't though.


I thought the DH version was approved by Bioware...

I'm perfectly happy with it.  I'm glad that, apart from the fringes, they look the same - they're supposed to be just as hardened and militarised as the men, plus it's usually very difficult to tell males and females apart.


Just a note to how these things sometimes work: I cannot confirm whether or not things work this way for Bioware properties! These are based on anecdotal evidence from people I've known who have worked on non-Bioware game/comic tie-ins!

Usually the comic writer is given some guidelines. Something like "Turian women don't have breats, have shorter fringe." If the IP in general is tightly controlled (like WoW), the artist won't be allowed to show or use anything that doesn't already have a pre-determined dev-approved design bible. If something is more loosely controlled, the artists will be given guidelines, as described above.

There is sometimes little-to-no review time between the comic pages being delivered and the date they need to be finalized. At GDC, I heard some devs talk about tie-in comics and novels that directly contradicted their current lore, but went to print anyway, because the time and cost associated with changing the comic was more than it was worth to have some minor lore details remain consistent. (One dev actually said "If you've read any of our tie-in novels, I'm sorry.") I'd guess that Bioware has a level of control over their comics that is significantly lower than at Blizzard, but higher than the average game company. So while that design may be "approved," I'd say "approved for the comic" does not necessarily equal "approved final development design."

I doubt if they would have mentioned having issues designing female turians in that video if they had a finalized design, and it was the Dark Horse one. It just doesn't make sense to do that, from a marketing, community, or design statndpoint. So I expect the "final" design to share some descriptive qualities with the Dark Horse version (shorter fringe, wider waist, no breasts), but not to echo it completely.

In other words, I expect Female Turians to look as much like the Dark Horse version as Jacob Taylor looks like Jacob Taylor: 
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Only in the opposite direction... hopefully.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 03 mai 2011 - 12:50 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Because the gaming industry seems to think that Pwener2313 is an accurate representation of everyone that buys their games.


Then shouldn't Tali be hideous under the mask too?

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Then shouldn't Tali be hideous under the mask too?

Perhaps, but I think not showing her face again would be more fun.

Bioware, you sneaky bastards.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Why does every female have to fit the humanities standard of beauty?

Because the gaming industry seems to think that Pwener2313 is an accurate representation of everyone that buys their games.


I object. Im only saying they're ugly. This is the kind of girls Im into.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

In other words, I expect Female Turians to look as much like the Dark Horse version as Jacob Taylor looks like Jacob Taylor: 
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Only in the opposite direction... hopefully.

This makes me less afraid.  Thank you.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

kill_switch_423 wrote...

I really don't understand why people have such an issue with this, as it falls in line with the 'avian' thing. I.E. males being "prettier" than females.

It does, and I wouldn't mind females being less showy than males, but Dark Horse has a habit of doing bad things to Mass Effect.  See Wrex in OP.


That's true - but how Wrex and Akimbo-Garrus looked is rather immaterial regarding how they would make a female turian when they've already made one...  And, imho, they actually did a good job with the female turians.

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AwesomeName wrote...

That's true - but how Wrex and Akimbo-Garrus looked is rather immaterial regarding how they would make a female turian when they've already made one...  And, imho, they actually did a good job with the female turians.

Whatever happens, what's in-game is bound to look better than DH's material, even if they follow that design to a T.

At this point, it's not a matter of what they look like, but whether or not BW has the balls to include them.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I meant that I want Bioware to develop what they feel is an accurate representation of Turian females - not Darkhorse. If Bioware approves of the design, then fine. 

I still don't though.


I thought the DH version was approved by Bioware...

I'm perfectly happy with it.  I'm glad that, apart from the fringes, they look the same - they're supposed to be just as hardened and militarised as the men, plus it's usually very difficult to tell males and females apart.


Just a note to how these things sometimes work: I cannot confirm whether or not things work this way for Bioware properties! These are based on anecdotal evidence from people I've known who have worked on non-Bioware game/comic tie-ins!

Usually the comic writer is given some guidelines. Something like "Turian women don't have breats, have shorter fringe." If the IP in general is tightly controlled (like WoW), the artist won't be allowed to show or use anything that doesn't already have a pre-determined dev-approved design bible. If something is more loosely controlled, the artists will be given guidelines, as described above.

There is sometimes little-to-no review time between the comic pages being delivered and the date they need to be finalized. At GDC, I heard some devs talk about tie-in comics and novels that directly contradicted their current lore, but went to print anyway, because the time and cost associated with changing the comic was more than it was worth to have some minor lore details remain consistent. (One dev actually said "If you've read any of our tie-in novels, I'm sorry.") I'd guess that Bioware has a level of control over their comics that is significantly lower than at Blizzard, but higher than the average game company. So while that design may be "approved," I'd say "approved for the comic" does not necessarily equal "approved final development design."

I doubt if they would have mentioned having issues designing female turians in that video if they had a finalized design, and it was the Dark Horse one. It just doesn't make sense to do that, from a marketing, community, or design statndpoint. So I expect the "final" design to share some descriptive qualities with the Dark Horse version (shorter fringe, wider waist, no breasts), but not to echo it completely.

In other words, I expect Female Turians to look as much like the Dark Horse version as Jacob Taylor looks like Jacob Taylor: 
Posted Image vs Posted Image

Only in the opposite direction... hopefully.


Fair enough - I guess this means they could end up looking like anything... Although, regarding your example there - let's be fair, Galaxy was stylistically different across the board, whereas the DH material tries to look fairly accurate instead (I don't mean poses, but as far anatomy is concerned, etc.).

In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.

Modifié par AwesomeName, 03 mai 2011 - 01:01 .


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AwesomeName wrote...
In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.


Because ugly = cool?
I don't mind such inconsistency when getting something fixed. I hope they won't simply change the male turian's head morph and say it's a female... I expect that but I still hope it won't happen.

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ReconTeam wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Because the gaming industry seems to think that Pwener2313 is an accurate representation of everyone that buys their games.


Then shouldn't Tali be hideous under the mask too?


I wouldn't mind if she was hideous, however I would by far prefer if she was ALIEN.

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In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.

By "closely" you mean as closely as this...

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... resembles this...

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... then I'm cool with it.

I mean, it's "accurate" as far as this goes:

1. White bodysuit
2. Long, dark hair
3. Works for Cerbrus

So I expect DH to nail FemTurians in ME3 in these respects:

1. Short fringe
2. Wide hips
3. No boobs

Yes, I can deal with that.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 03 mai 2011 - 01:07 .


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Mr.Kusy wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...
In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.


Because ugly = cool?
I don't mind such inconsistency when getting something fixed. I hope they won't simply change the male turian's head morph and say it's a female... I expect that but I still hope it won't happen.


Pretty much - but more because consistency is cool.  Why do you think it's inconsistent?

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I honestly don't understand why this a big deal at all.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.

By "closely" you mean as closely as this...

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... resembles this...

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... then I'm cool with it.

1. Short fringe
2. Wide hips
3. No boobs

Yes, I can deal with it.


That's close enough for me :)

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AwesomeName wrote...

That's close enough for me :)

Awesome.  High-five.

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AwesomeName wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...
In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.


Because ugly = cool?
I don't mind such inconsistency when getting something fixed. I hope they won't simply change the male turian's head morph and say it's a female... I expect that but I still hope it won't happen.


Pretty much - but more because consistency is cool.  Why do you think it's inconsistent?


I'm saying that it would be inconsistent to change how female turians look drasticaly (yes, to apeal to average human male's taste) and that I wouldn't mind it at all in this case. Perhaps it's because I consider the comic that introduced them a waste of paper and would preffer if it never happened, and no, not only because I don't like how they made the female turians. It is also possible I would defy anything that was in it, even if the female turians would look decent.

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I'm saying that it would be inconsistent to change how female turians look drasticaly (yes, to apeal to average human male's taste) and that I wouldn't mind it at all in this case. Perhaps it's because I consider the comic that introduced them a waste of paper and would preffer if it never happened, and no, not only because I don't like how they made the female turians. It is also possible I would defy anything that was in it, even if the female turians would look decent.


Ah, right - I getcha now ;)

Modifié par AwesomeName, 03 mai 2011 - 01:11 .


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AdmiralCheez wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

That's close enough for me :)

Awesome.  High-five.


I am on team shorter fringe, no boobs, supportive waists.

(I would prefer if that shorter fringe, or some kind of visible plating, does cover the top of their heads even if it doesn't extend far past it, simply because on a radiation-heavy planet, that is the part that needs the most protection. It's why bald men have to use sunblock on their heads, whereas I can go hatless all summer.) 

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AwesomeName wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...
In any case, I hope whatever final design they have for them in ME3 will at least closely resemble the DH version.


Because ugly = cool?
I don't mind such inconsistency when getting something fixed. I hope they won't simply change the male turian's head morph and say it's a female... I expect that but I still hope it won't happen.


Pretty much - but more because consistency is cool.  Why do you think it's inconsistent?


Because the comic was inconsistant with in game lore. Apparently Garrus likes the dudes, and think sheps a dude.

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Seems to be the unwritten rule at BioWare that every female, regardless of race, must have wide hips.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

(I would prefer if that shorter fringe, or some kind of visible plating, does cover the top of their heads even if it doesn't extend far past it, simply because on a radiation-heavy planet, that is the part that needs the most protection. It's why bald men have to use sunblock on their heads, whereas I can go hatless all summer.) 

Yeah, that was really my only beef with the design...

@Someone With Mass: Are you complaining?

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Seems to be the unwritten rule at BioWare that every female, regardless of race, must have wide hips.


Oddly enough, Quarians actually don't have remarkable hips, its just their waist is very thin which enhances the other parts of their body.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...
@Someone With Mass: Are you complaining?


Not at all. I simply find it amusing. ^_^