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[antique_nova]

Who passed through the conduit and changed the Citadel slightly, as i believe that they would have done something else than just change the signal recieve for the Keepers and then die off due to starvation etc. I would like their fates to be explored in greater detail in ME3

Anyone else with me?

[AlexMBrennan]

Interesting theory. Maybe they managed, through mediation and prayer, to ascend to another plane of existence and no longer needed food as a result - they could still be around today. Or maybe we'll find drawings of reapers in maintenance shafts.
Edit: On a more serious note, why do they need to do something else? I'd have thought that going through the relay knowing that they wouldn't be able to return (and that they'd almost certainly die of dehydration and/or starvation) and doing it anyway was sufficiently heroic.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 02 mai 2011 - 06:04 .

[Rivercurse]

I'd like to think that a bunch of scientists advanced enough to reverse engineer Reaper mass relay technology would be resourceful enough to find food and water on the citadel. The Keepers are programmed to integrate any newcomers to the station right? Regardless of the cycle status.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Shep: Did the Prothean scientist survive longer than you think?

Vigil: Nah man, dey dead.

Shep blinks rapidly before leaning in and screaming: Did the Protheans scientists survive!

Vigil: Nah man, what wrong wit you, I told you dey dead!

Shep blinks again: THE PROTHEAN SCIENTISTS!

[Rivercurse]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I'd like to think that a bunch of scientists advanced enough to reverse engineer Reaper mass relay technology would be resourceful enough to find food and water on the citadel. The Keepers are programmed to integrate any newcomers to the station right? Regardless of the cycle status.

And survive time probably worth several millenia with a genepool of about a dozen people or so? I don't think so.

Of course not, but thats not what I said is it?

No one expected them to repopulate, but Vigil said he didn't even expect they would find any food or water on the station.  I can't see why that would be the case.  As soon as the Reapers withdrew the Keepers would start repairing any damage, re-readying the citadels systems and getting ready to integrate whoever showed up next.

[DarthSliver]

I agree, i imagine they wouldve done more than just change the Keeper thing so they wouldnt send the signal. I expect they did more that we might find out in ME3.

[aimlessgun]

Ok, so say they don't starve and live for a couple decades more or whatever. Still doesn't suggest that they accomplished any grand secret in that time. If it's just some remains we're talking here, Keepers would have cleaned up any traces of them since.

Occam's Razor: they did their mission and then died. The end.

[Rivercurse]

I agree theres no greater significance to their mission in terms of the overarching story. They were just a plot device to nullify the keepers role in future invasions.

Realistically though, they could have survived on the Citadel. Its obvious that they didnt in terms of canon though, otherwise much clearer messages would have been left for the next group of races than what we actually ended up with.

[Avissel]

They died of starvation or dehydration. Take your pick.

At that point the Citadel would have been barren, set back to "blank slate" status for whoever found it next.

[aimlessgun]

Rivercurse wrote...
Realistically though, they could have survived on the Citadel. Its obvious that they didnt in terms of canon though, otherwise much clearer messages would have been left for the next group of races than what we actually ended up with.

I wonder if they tried to set up a message and failed. It would have to be something self-propagating otherwise the keepers would erase it in their maintanence routines: maybe the scientists simply didn't do a good enough job and their message eventually died out.

[DarthSliver]

Avissel wrote...

They died of starvation or dehydration. Take your pick.

At that point the Citadel would have been barren, set back to "blank slate" status for whoever found it next.

Well i want to pick starvation because of the big lake in the presidium, but than i am not sure if that was even there directly after the Invasion was done with. 

But like most have said, they were mostly there to stop the Reapers from succeeding in the next cycle. They may not have died from starvation or dehydration, they problay commited suicide after succeeding in their sabotage efforts.  
Too bad their conduit was only one way, I wonder if the scientist wouldve made a difference in Ilos holding out until the Reapers invasion was done.

[antique_nova]

Rivercurse wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I'd like to think that a bunch of scientists advanced enough to reverse engineer Reaper mass relay technology would be resourceful enough to find food and water on the citadel. The Keepers are programmed to integrate any newcomers to the station right? Regardless of the cycle status.

And survive time probably worth several millenia with a genepool of about a dozen people or so? I don't think so.

Of course not, but thats not what I said is it?

No one expected them to repopulate, but Vigil said he didn't even expect they would find any food or water on the station.  I can't see why that would be the case.  As soon as the Reapers withdrew the Keepers would start repairing any damage, re-readying the citadels systems and getting ready to integrate whoever showed up next.

Actually the Keepers would start repairing damage as soon as the Reapers wiped out the Citadels occupants - well it's a safe assumption anyway.

As for those who believe that they died of starvation and dehydration, it would be safe to also assume that the scientists brought supplies with them incase the signal changing process took longer than expected or implications that could occur without prior knowledge.

They must have had other tasks apart from masking the signal cancellation code, such as making sure the Keepers didn't notice the conduit - which i am unsure as to how the Keeper's even ignored it in the first place as i would expect them to vtear down anything that they didn't consider part of the original Citadel.

And how on earth would we know how the galactic species even activiate the citadel? Or even accessed it's systems and stored data as such, such a task is tediuosly difficult if your trying to reactivate something that is completely alien in design. It isn't just like a slightly different console with a different language. So many things would be different like symbols, tools, actions and even functions.

What's to say that the scientists didn't try anything else to help the new species to stave off the Reaper invassion? I mean the scientists already knew what to do and possibly how to cut the Reaper war signal, before they even left Ilos.

[Vengeful Nature]

aimlessgun wrote...

Occam's Razor: they did their mission and then died. The end.

Exactly. They're not part of the story any more, and there are slightly more pressing issues.

It would be cool if we heard a Citadel News report though, just in the background: "This is Citadel News Net, I'm Emily Wong. The remains of an unknown alien species have been found within the maintenance deck of Zakera Ward. Experts suggest that the remains may be around 50,000 years old. Some have claimed that these are the first reported remains of Protheans. Council representatives could not be contacted for a statement. We'll have an update on the story at 5. Back to you, Tom."

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 02 mai 2011 - 07:32 .

[darthbuert]

Rivercurse wrote...

I'd like to think that a bunch of scientists advanced enough to reverse engineer Reaper mass relay technology would be resourceful enough to find food and water on the citadel. The Keepers are programmed to integrate any newcomers to the station right? Regardless of the cycle status.

I think it's possible (but not probable) that they survived to old age given that they had resources there to sustain them. The Citadel is huge (bigger than most cities) it houses thousands upon thousands of individuals now...it could conceivable safely house a dozen Protheans until old-age...especially since the Keepers are still around to insure that it's fully functional...heck, what's to say there wasn't abandoned ships, or enough resources left-over for them at the Citadel to create an ad-hoc space ship of their own and escape to another planet to try and re-propagate once they were certain that the Reapers had left this galaxy? Sure the ones that made it to the Citadel are long since dead, but what reason would the Reapers have to re-check the Citadel for survivors once they left? They are ultra-smug and believe themselves to be beyond the frailties of organics. So going back to a place that had already been culled of life by them would be tantamount to admitting that they aren't infalible, or as thourough and god-like as they profess to be.

Is it likely...? No...but it's certainly possible. The Citadel is (as far as I know) a completely self-contained construct...capable of sustaining life (through generations) indefinitely. For all we know, they could've brought with them from Ilos some stasis pods, connected them up to the power generators there, and are now safely tucked away in a lower (unused) deck of the Citadel. Prothean tech is resilient that way. I like to remember that Vigil is only a V.I....it can only make assumptions based on the available facts at hand(it doesn't think or reason)...if it wasn't told they brought extra equipment with them, it would've easily concluded that they died shortly after arrival, and told Shepard such...or possibly parts of it's memory are so degraded over time so as to render such knowlegde, for all practical intents and purposes, gone. just a thought.

[Marta Rio]

aimlessgun wrote...
Occam's Razor: they did their mission and then died. The end.

The thing about Occam's Razor is that is almost always applies to situations in real life, but almost never applies to situations in science fiction.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I do think it's possible there's some sort of hidden goodies for us in the Citadel, waiting to be stumbled upon like the rat-man's paintings.

It's one of those threads that I feel may have been left there "in case," as in "if we need a way to explain how they figure out something on the Citadel, we can use that Prothean science team. Otherwise just assume they died."

If they come up again, I won't be shocked, but I don't expect it.

[CroGamer002]

I think they died of starvation.

Or worse dehydration.

[aimlessgun]

Marta Rio wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...
Occam's Razor: they did their mission and then died. The end.

The thing about Occam's Razor is that is almost always applies to situations in real life, but almost never applies to situations in science fiction.

Yeah, you're right. The Law of Conservation of Detail can easily trump it in fiction.

[Nashiktal]

They died and were then tossed into the keep protein vats. My guess anyways.

[SennenScale]

I'm impressed enough that they were able to actually alter the keeper's signal at all, let alone do anything else. The Reapers have a hell of a head start and seem to have made the Citadel to work like a black box.

[SalsaDMA]

SennenScale wrote...

I'm impressed enough that they were able to actually alter the keeper's signal at all, let alone do anything else. The Reapers have a hell of a head start and seem to have made the Citadel to work like a black box.

I'm more impressed that they managed to use the conduit before they had it placed within the citadel...

[antique_nova]

SalsaDMA wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I'm impressed enough that they were able to actually alter the keeper's signal at all, let alone do anything else. The Reapers have a hell of a head start and seem to have made the Citadel to work like a black box.

I'm more impressed that they managed to use the conduit before they had it placed within the citadel...

It was already there, it was the reciever. The mass relay that they were building on Ilos was the sender, most likely the hardest part to build.

Saphra Deden wrote...

We already know what happened to them; they starved to death on the Citadel.

Probability is not definately, as showned by Shepard many. Many, times.

Modifié par antique_nova, 02 mai 2011 - 08:29 .