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[SennenScale]

Rivercurse wrote...

No one expected them to repopulate, but Vigil said he didn't even expect they would find any food or water on the station.  I can't see why that would be the case.  As soon as the Reapers withdrew the Keepers would start repairing any damage, re-readying the citadels systems and getting ready to integrate whoever showed up next.

The Repears didn't withdraw for a long time, IIRC what Vigil said. The whole reaping thing went on for a couple centuries, which is why only a dozen scientists' pods had been preserved. I imagine any foodstuffs left on the station's warehouses or a fridge went rotten long before they showed up.

[Rivercurse]

Lol I'm not talking about them finding a coupla hundred year old bacon roll or a moldy old pizza and eating that! It's not a question of the food being left behind still being edible, it's a question of being able to synthesise new food, or source it in other ways. The Citadel is huge. Water must constantly be purified and redistributed throughout the station via it's lower levels for example. Scientists of the calibre of those Protheans would be more than able to grow food, or even use equipment left behind in factories throughout the station to produce new food.

All of it is irrelevant mind you because it never actually happened, but it's plausible that it could have, if that was the way Boware had wanted to take the story.

Modifié par Rivercurse, 02 mai 2011 - 09:05 .

[antique_nova]

Saphra Deden wrote...

antique_nova wrote...

Probability is not definately, as showned by Shepard many. Many, times.

I know. We need to embellish every little detail and drown it in un-needed drama.

The Prothean legacy is over and done with. Let it die.

Who said embellish every little detail and drown it in un-needed drama? I think it's interesting enough to flesh out.

The Prothean "legacy" was shown in ME, ME2, so why not ME3 too?

[darthbuert]

Rivercurse wrote...

Lol I'm not talking about them finding a coupla hundred year old bacon roll or a moldy old pizza and eating that! It's not a question of the food being left behind still being edible, it's a question of being able to synthesise new food, or source it in other ways. The Citadel is huge. Water must constantly be purified and redistributed throughout the station via it's lower levels for example. Scientists of the calibre of those Protheans would be more than able to grow food, or even use equipment left behind in factories throughout the station to produce new food.

All of it is irrelevant mind you because it never actually happened, but it's plausible that it could have, if that was the way Boware had wanted to take the story.

...this is exactly the point I was trying to make. Glad to see that someone else is at least open to the possibility...

Regarding food...with all the foliage in the Presidium (and other places) I'm reasonably certain that some dirt was there to plant the trees and stuff in...some of the shrubery (I'm sure may have been edible) and could produce seeds and they could use that to plant food...gardening is possible.

The point is not that it happened...but that it is possible.

[Inquisitor Recon]

They ate each other until there was only one left. Then the keepers closed in and ate him. A grim fate indeed. Like zombies but keepers.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Imperium Alpha wrote...
Breaking News. The Prothean scientist came to earth and hid on the planet a powerful artefact allowing Shepard to kill every reapers by destroying the earth.

I've heard this one before. The artifact is a portal that takes you to a superweapon right?

[SennenScale]

^I'm fairly sure those scientists were not agriculturalists. Being a scientist doesn't mean you are versed in every kind of science. Any equipment they found to synthesize food was 200+ years old it seems, and how would they find the resources use to synthesize such food?

If they did plant seeds somewhere? So what? It would take a season to come to fruition.

[didymos1120]

Avissel wrote...

They died of starvation or dehydration. Take your pick.

Neither.  The life support systems recycle water and there's this:

"The station's recycling systems are located in the Foundations. These manufacture a variety of artificial organic pastes that can be eaten for sustenance. They are free and nutritious but nearly tasteless and of unpleasant texture."

Keepers are organics after all, and that means food, water, and oxygen are required for them to stay alive.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 09:32 .

[darthbuert]

...so it turns out; the Prothean scientists eventually made it to earth. They created a device that would allow them to travel back in time to correct the Reaper issue. They tried but failed. In their travels to the past they were attacked and eaten by ferocious pre-dinosaur protozoa after they miscalculated time-distances. Their technology was left on earth were it remained until Shepard finds it. After beating the Reapers he and Liara travel to earth to retire, have children, and start a large family. One of the kids accidentally triggers the device and is sent millions of years to the distant past with only an EDI A.I. accompanying. It turns out that in order for them to travel back to the future they have to reverse-engineer the device which they do, but inadvertently create the first proto-reaper in the process...full-circle.

Modifié par darthbuert, 02 mai 2011 - 09:34 .

[antique_nova]

Saphra Deden wrote...

antique_nova wrote...

Who said embellish every little detail and drown it in un-needed drama? I think it's interesting enough to flesh out.

It's already been fleshed out. You really need the gritty details about how they starved to death? Cannibalizing eachother one by one?

By fleshed out, you mean Virgil made a logical assumption.

didymos1120 wrote...

Avissel wrote...

They died of starvation or dehydration. Take your pick.

Neither.  The life support systems recycle water and there's this:

"The
station's recycling systems are located in the Foundations. These
manufacture a variety of artificial organic pastes that can be eaten for
sustenance. They are free and nutritious but nearly tasteless and of
unpleasant texture."

Keepers are organics after all, and that means food, water, and oxygen are required for them to stay alive.

Finally, PROOOOOOOF . There is hope once more./ Until Bioware shoot it down of course. It would also make an interesting DLC .

Modifié par antique_nova, 02 mai 2011 - 09:39 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I'd always taken what Vigil said as truth, since it seemed to me that Bioware used his his story as exhibition rather than insinuation.

Who knows though, maybe they found food/water/heat and just lived out the rest of their lives in the citadel telling stories.

[DarthSliver]

I am going to stick with what i said earlier. After the cut the signal off so the Reapers couldnt contact the Keepers, they committed suicide.

But wishful thinking, i hope they did do something.

[didymos1120]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I'd always taken what Vigil said as truth, since it seemed to me that Bioware used his his story as exhibition rather than insinuation.

Vigil does say that some things it can only speculate on.  The fate of the scientists was one of those things.

Who knows though, maybe they found food/water/heat and just lived out the rest of their lives in the citadel telling stories.

Or committed suicide. That's a pretty bleak existence, after all.

[Reapinger]

Maybe they just built more cryo-chambers on the citadel and are still in them, hidden?

[antique_nova]

"The
station's recycling systems are located in the Foundations. These
manufacture a variety of artificial organic pastes that can be eaten for
sustenance. They are free and nutritious but nearly tasteless and of
unpleasant texture."

Wait a minute, a food stuff that anyone in the galaxy can eat? A food that humans AND Quarians can eat without serious harm?

Such a piece of food could help with the study into making dextro-protein and dextro-amino acid relationships less strenuous.

[Malanek]

It would be pretty cool if they were still around. But it has been 50,000 years and we have had no sign of them. If they did go into stasis somewhere on the citadel wouldn't it have been a good idea to "wake up" when a new race first came to the citadel?

[antique_nova]

Malanek999 wrote...

It would be pretty cool if they were still around. But it has been 50,000 years and we have had no sign of them. If they did go into stasis somewhere on the citadel wouldn't it have been a good idea to "wake up" when a new race first came to the citadel?

Maybe data is wiped cleaned by auto-scans every 1000 years? or so?

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I'd always taken what Vigil said as truth, since it seemed to me that Bioware used his his story as exhibition rather than insinuation.

Vigil does say that some things it can only speculate on.  The fate of the scientists was one of those things.

Who knows though, maybe they found food/water/heat and just lived out the rest of their lives in the citadel telling stories.

Or committed suicide. That's a pretty bleak existence, after all.

Or maybe they had hedonistic orgies across the entire Citadel until they stumbled into the Praesidium lake in a drunken stupor and drowned.

[Dean_the_Young]

antique_nova wrote...

"The
station's recycling systems are located in the Foundations. These
manufacture a variety of artificial organic pastes that can be eaten for
sustenance. They are free and nutritious but nearly tasteless and of
unpleasant texture."

Wait a minute, a food stuff that anyone in the galaxy can eat? A food that humans AND Quarians can eat without serious harm?

Such a piece of food could help with the study into making dextro-protein and dextro-amino acid relationships less strenuous.

Pastes. Like, plural.

Different things for different needs.

[Malanek]

It's actually quite interesting to speculate what they would do next. They would likely set new goals on what they wanted to achieve. If they were aware of what the collectors were it is entirely possible they tried to do "a Shepard" by building a starship and going through Omega 4 in a futile attempt to free the remnants of their species.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I'd always taken what Vigil said as truth, since it seemed to me that Bioware used his his story as exhibition rather than insinuation.

Vigil does say that some things it can only speculate on.  The fate of the scientists was one of those things.

Who knows though, maybe they found food/water/heat and just lived out the rest of their lives in the citadel telling stories.

Or committed suicide. That's a pretty bleak existence, after all.

Or maybe they had hedonistic orgies across the entire Citadel until they stumbled into the Praesidium lake in a drunken stupor and drowned.

I could think of worse ways to go. 

[Thompson family]

I hesitate to reply to this thread because Vigil clearly says they couldn't take much food or other supplies necessary to survive with them. The rest of the argument assumes the Citadel was habitable. That's not the case.

The Keepers don't live out in the open. They live in sealed-off areas the "tenants" can't get to. After having every trace of the previous "tenants" wiped out, there would be nothing left in the "outer" Citadel for the Protheans to live on for several years after the Reapers left. After the Reapers took the time and the trouble to go to every inhabited planet and wipe out every remnant of intelligent life, it would be foolish to leave a habitable Citadel that any survivors they might have missed could reach.

On top of that, they did leave behind the Collectors -- which we can safely assume would have noticed a colony of Protheans who survived for any length of time.

Finally, it seems like a safe bet that many of the "top scientists" remaining were too old to reproduce, even if they had lived. But I don't know enough about Prothean reproductive biology to be sure about that one.

Modifié par Thompson family, 02 mai 2011 - 10:17 .