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[wulf3n]

 I'm not too worried.

Mac Walters is a good writer, ME2 was just an idea plagued with problems from before it's inception. I doubt many writers could have done that much better given the limitations of ME2

"Why is shepard on trial"
Spectres may be above the law, but they still answer to the council. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians of a race that already has "complex" relationship with the council, for a reason that to all rational people in the universe seems insane, and I don't blame them for revoking shepards spectre status, wether he had one or not.

"What, if anything did she do or accomplish in the couple of months after..."

Admittedly not the best solution to the setup of ME3, but not completely inplausible from a story perspective. 2 months is still better than now. And shepard didn't know how long destroying the relay would postpone the invasion, and the reapers are now  impatient morons, so it's out of character for them either.

"Why does TIM now suddenly want to kill you, the greatest hope for humanity, in the middle of a reaper invasion?"

 TIM's character is a pretty blank slate ATM. As an "ends justifies the means" type of person, i'm sure they can come up with any one of dozens of valid reasons TIM would betray shepard.


As for Evolution i haven't read all of them yet so i can't make a real judgement, but my only real gripe with it, was that it was different to how i viewed the first contact war, but that's a problem whenever you flesh out a back story.

[ExtremeOne]

wulf3n wrote...

 I'm not too worried.

Mac Walters is a good writer, ME2 was just an idea plagued with problems from before it's inception. I doubt many writers could have done that much better given the limitations of ME2

"Why is shepard on trial"
Spectres may be above the law, but they still answer to the council. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians of a race that already has "complex" relationship with the council, for a reason that to all rational people in the universe seems insane, and I don't blame them for revoking shepards spectre status, wether he had one or not.

"What, if anything did she do or accomplish in the couple of months after..."

Admittedly not the best solution to the setup of ME3, but not completely inplausible from a story perspective. 2 months is still better than now. And shepard didn't know how long destroying the relay would postpone the invasion, and the reapers are now  impatient morons, so it's out of character for them either.

"Why does TIM now suddenly want to kill you, the greatest hope for humanity, in the middle of a reaper invasion?"

 TIM's character is a pretty blank slate ATM. As an "ends justifies the means" type of person, i'm sure they can come up with any one of dozens of valid reasons TIM would betray shepard.


As for Evolution i haven't read all of them yet so i can't make a real judgement, but my only real gripe with it, was that it was different to how i viewed the first contact war, but that's a problem whenever you flesh out a back story.

   



So the guy writes ME 2's story and now we see that basically Bioware has said  F**k it the ME 2 story has no meaning in 3 . How in the hell can Shepard be on trail in 3 . What reason is there for it . Oh and please do not say its because 300,000 Batarians died in arrival .  I wish the people who wrote Star Trek Next Gen had written Mass Effect 2 and 3 because at least we have a logical story . It makes no sens to introduce the new Cerberus and TIM and not build on that in 3 . its as if they create characters and things as plot devices and not part of the universe of Mass Effect .  The story of Mass Effect 1 , 2 and 3 will be another bad video game story 

[wulf3n]

ExtremeOne wrote...
It makes no sens to introduce the new Cerberus and TIM and not build on that in 3 . its as if they create characters and things as plot devices and not part of the universe of Mass Effect .  The story of Mass Effect 1 , 2 and 3 will be another bad video game story 

They probably will build on the new cerberus and TIM in ME3, what didn't make sense was introducing that stuff in the first place, but that was the result having to be accessible to new comers, and veterans alike, while not messing up anything established in ME1 too much.

I think the problems with ME2 were that ME2 should never have existed in the first place. I mean how can you create an interesting and engaging story about fighting the reapers, when you've already done the grunt work of foiling their invasion plan, and proved their existance, and the actual fight with the reapers is reserved for ME3.


edit: Ohhh, I just thought of a way for shepard to be on trial without mentioning batarains.... Vandalism! those Mass Relays aren't cheap

Modifié par wulf3n, 03 mai 2011 - 11:24 .

[ExtremeOne]

wulf3n wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
It makes no sens to introduce the new Cerberus and TIM and not build on that in 3 . its as if they create characters and things as plot devices and not part of the universe of Mass Effect .  The story of Mass Effect 1 , 2 and 3 will be another bad video game story 

They probably will build on the new cerberus and TIM in ME3, what didn't make sense was introducing that stuff in the first place, but that was the result having to be accessible to new comers, and veterans alike, while not messing up anything established in ME1 too much.

I think the problems with ME2 were that ME2 should never have existed in the first place. I mean how can you create an interesting and engaging story about fighting the reapers, when you've already done the grunt work of foiling their invasion plan, and proved their existance, and the actual fight with the reapers is reserved for ME3.


edit: Ohhh, I just thought of a way for shepard to be on trial without mentioning batarains.... Vandalism! those Mass Relays aren't cheap

  


I get the Mass relay charge idea . Mass Effect 2 should have been better . I mean if they wanted Shepard to join up with Cerberus. Killing Shepard was stupid at the start of it . They should have had a scene where Shepard got fed up with the alliance / council garbage and resigned and meet Miranda and Jacob and they offered him a Cerberus postion . that would have made logical sense . But now because of ME 2's stupid story mistakes ME 3 is in a bad postion 

[Jzadek72]

armass wrote...

Since we know about all the errors the
second part has made, and the same writers are doing the third part, how
worried are you about the overarching plot?

We can already make some questions:

Why is Shepard on a trial, when She's a spectre, above the law?

What,
if anything did she do or accomplish in the couple of months after
blowing up the starsystem to gain advantage against the reapers? 300,000
batarians have been killed for a time of 2 months and the reapers still
invade in the middle of her trial, like no one knew of their coming?

Why does TIM now suddenly want to kill you, the greatest hope for humanity, in the middle of a reaper invasion?

This is a bad omen, i would say. And the Evolution comic.

Are we trying to be negative just for the sake of it now? We know very little of the overarching plot, and most of those questions have already been poked full of holes. Let's wait until we know a little more before jumping to conclusions.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 03 mai 2011 - 12:15 .

[Sketchy77]

Interesting topic.

I Love RPGs and normally hate when they are "dumbed down" but in my Opinion Mass Effect 2 is better than ME1. I think it was streamlined perfectly, and while i hope they bring back a very small amount of the RPG in it, I won't mind if they don't. I just hope they don't streamline it anymore.

They basically removed all the pointless/annoying features; the AWFUL inventory system (seriously I hated how every time I went into it I had to breakdown my weapons into omni-gel because I had too many)
They removed the Mako, which was really fun, but in the end it was extremely repetitive. I hope that they address that issue when it returns in ME3. Side quests were great in ME2, not just the anomaly ones, but the ones found on major planets too. I liked the ME1 sidequest but they seemed rather repetitive.

Overall ME2 > ME1 IMO

[WizenSlinky0]

It's rather easy to say why you're on trial. Even a renegade Shepard would have turned themselves in to the alliance military for trial. Yeah, you could have probably just given them the finger. But it would bog down the Council trying to avoid a galactic incident between the alliance, council, and batarians.

The alliance has to do something or batarians are going to bomb the hell out of their colonies. The council has to do something or the humans are going to complain about batarians bombing their colonies.

In order to avoid anything that might weaken the galaxy in the face of its gravest threat, why the hell wouldn't you turn yourself in? You certainly know soon as the reapers show up, they'd let you out of jail anyhow.

[Jzadek72]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

It's rather easy to say why you're on trial. Even a renegade Shepard would have turned themselves in to the alliance military for trial. Yeah, you could have probably just given them the finger. But it would bog down the Council trying to avoid a galactic incident between the alliance, council, and batarians.

The alliance has to do something or batarians are going to bomb the hell out of their colonies. The council has to do something or the humans are going to complain about batarians bombing their colonies.

In order to avoid anything that might weaken the galaxy in the face of its gravest threat, why the hell wouldn't you turn yourself in? You certainly know soon as the reapers show up, they'd let you out of jail anyhow.

Shh. That sort of logic will mean we have nothing to complain about!

[Someone With Mass]

ExtremeOne wrote...
I get the Mass relay charge idea . Mass Effect 2 should have been better . I mean if they wanted Shepard to join up with Cerberus. Killing Shepard was stupid at the start of it . They should have had a scene where Shepard got fed up with the alliance / council garbage and resigned and meet Miranda and Jacob and they offered him a Cerberus postion . that would have made logical sense . But now because of ME 2's stupid story mistakes ME 3 is in a bad postion 

No, that's what YOU would have wanted. 

It's clear that they wanted Shepard to remain a Alliance soldier, but forced him to work with Cerberus to overcome a new enemy.

I'm just fine with that myself. Means I can quit that band of lobotomized retards when the job is done.

[AngelicMachinery]

I wanta be an Asari commando instead of an alliance member. It makes absolute sense, I promise.

[KenKenpachi]

Oh god damn not another BUT BUT I'S A SPECTURE I IS THE LAWWWWW!!!!!!!!! thread...Please for the love of god before ANYONE else makes another one of these, read those that have been made because this issue has been beaten like a redhead stepchild riding on a dead horse, at a sadist convention.

[Savber100]

Out of curiosity, why does everyone assume that you will remain a Spectre after blowing up another star system...?

Do you honestly think that the Council will give a crap about your excuse that the Reapers were coming when you lacked proof?

Simply put, I think the Council will use this as an opportunity to ditch you while supposedly replacing you with the Virmire survivor as the new human specte. 

You're not above the damn law when you've done something that seemingly has no purpose like Saren in attacking Eden's Prime. The Council will probably just revoke your status just as easily.

Modifié par Savber100, 03 mai 2011 - 04:20 .

[Almostfaceman]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Oh god damn not another BUT BUT I'S A SPECTURE I IS THE LAWWWWW!!!!!!!!! thread...Please for the love of god before ANYONE else makes another one of these, read those that have been made because this issue has been beaten like a redhead stepchild riding on a dead horse, at a sadist convention.

Dude this place specializes in beating the same damn horses to death every farging day. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Savber100 wrote...

Out of curiosity, why does everyone assume that you will remain a Spectre after blowing up another star system...?

Do you honestly think that the Council will give a crap about your excuse that the Reapers were coming when you lacked proof?

Simply put, I think the Council will use this as an opportunity to ditch you while supposedly replacing you with the Virmire survivor as the new human specte. 

You're not above the damn law when you've done something that seemingly has no purpose like Saren in attacking Eden's Prime. The Council will probably just revoke your status just as easily.

Agreed. That's actually what I think will happen. Besides, I don't see how your Spectre status would mean a lot if the whole galaxy is at war anyway. The "law" may have to be cast aside until the continued Reaper attacks have been dealt with.

[Someone With Mass]

Savber100 wrote...

Out of curiosity, why does everyone assume that you will remain a Spectre after blowing up another star system...?

Do you honestly think that the Council will give a crap about your excuse that the Reapers were coming when you lacked proof?

Simply put, I think the Council will use this as an opportunity to ditch you while supposedly replacing you with the Virmire survivor as the new human specte. 

You're not above the damn law when you've done something that seemingly has no purpose like Saren in attacking Eden's Prime. The Council will probably just revoke your status just as easily.

The Spectre status didn't mean that much anyway, beyond a faithful gesture on their behalf, so they can might as well revoke it.

[ExtremeOne]

elektrego wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They should have had a scene where Shepard got fed up with the alliance / council garbage and resigned and meet Miranda and Jacob and they offered him a Cerberus postion . that would have made logical sense .

In a game that allows choices you can't force a decision on the PC, only events that are beyond their control.
So Shepard resigning from the Alliance on his own free will is even less logical than Shepard dying, because most Paragon players would never dream of that. Yeah, we know by now that you hate all things Alliance, because you leave no opportunity to shove your opinion in everyone's face, but ....

...why do I even ...

I love the direction the game is going, I am not worried, so I just leave and bath in my happiness and leave you to your bitterness...

   



It would have been a better story if the player had the right to chose either Cerberus or Alliance . since its clear ME 2 story is now worthless in ME 3 

[Someone With Mass]

ExtremeOne wrote...
It would have been a better story if the player had the right to chose either Cerberus or Alliance . since its clear ME 2 story is now worthless in ME 3 

And you know this because you have played Mass Effect 3.

[Babli]

I am worried about recruiting of other species...that it will take more than half of a game. Then I am worried about absolutely stupid plot devices (LET SHEPARD FALL TO THE PLANET AND RESSURECT HIM or EVERYONE TO THE SHUTTLE). And ...well thats pretty much everything. If recruiting of other races wont take more than 50% of the game and there wont be so many facepalm moments as in ME2, I am fine.

[armass]

Storywise ME2 was a downstep from ME1. In the first game we saved a galaxy, in a second game we saved what, a few human colonies. It's good to see the reapers back in full force in the next game tough. Collectors were merely an annoyance.

Modifié par armass, 03 mai 2011 - 04:58 .

[Jzadek72]

armass wrote...

Storywise ME2 was a downstep from ME1. In the first game we saved a galaxy, in a second game we saved what, a few human colonies. It's good to see the reapers back in full force in the next game tough. Collectors were merely a footnote.

Why is it that people always confuse scope with actual story content. ME1's story was still better, but it wasn't because of that. Plus, we got way more character development in the second game.

[armass]

Point is you dont downplay a threat in a sequel, it should be greater. Collectors were not a match to Saren and his geth armada + Sovereign. In Empire strikes back empire got more vicious and dangerous , they hunted the rebels throughout the galaxy, even if they did not have Deathstar in the movie. Collectors had one ship that captured a few human colonies... wheres the galactic threat?

Add a few more ships to the collectors, and attacks on other species colonies as well and i might have taken them a little more seriously. Now their just a little band with some reaper tech that makes hit and run attacks on humans.

Modifié par armass, 03 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Jzadek72]

armass wrote...

Point is you dont downplay a threat in a sequel, it should be greater. Collectors were not a match to Saren and his geth armada + Sovereign. In Empire strikes back empire got more vicious and dangerous , they hunted the rebels throughout the galaxy, even if they did not have Deathstar in the movie. Collectors had one ship that captured a few human colonies... wheres the galactic threat?

It's a far more personal story, so rather than the stakes being the galaxy, the stakes are your friends. Which, I think, makes it all more impactful - you know the saying: "A million is a statistic". Garrus, for example, is certainly not a statistic.

[Chuvvy]

The council dumped Saren for killing a few thousand colonists. Shepard blew up a Mass Relay and an entire star system, he's not a specter in ME3.

Modifié par Slidell505, 03 mai 2011 - 05:09 .

[Someone With Mass]

If the Collectors had completed the Reaper, then it'd have been a problem. Could've been another Sovereign if Shepard hadn't stopped them.