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[Biobetasucks]

Twice now I've had dialog options appear where I could not select charm options.  I've played paragon all the way from the beginning and maxed out charm the moment the new greyed bubbles appear.

The first time was at during the Normady ship inspection...I had charm maxed out and the 'build bridges' dialog was not available.  At the time I was 8/8.  It wasn't a few levels later that ranks 9 and 10 opened up.  And since there weren't any other quests available I have no idea how to get those other ranks earlier.  I thought it was a bug and kept playing. 

Now I am on Feros I end up shooting the Exogeni rep. 

Level 33, Spectere, Specialization unlocked, no other side quests other than the 'gather this' quests available.  Charm 10/10. It looks like charm maxes out at 12 but so far the 'skill bubbles' have not appeared. 

How can I get them?  I'm sure I'm also missing out on Paragon because the game doesn't let you select the Paragon option when you are playing Paragon with maxed out Charm which means you miss more Paragon points... makes me wonder how many I've missed. 

Or do I have to start all over? 

Any help appreciated.

Modifié par Biobetasucks, 03 mai 2011 - 03:02 .

[CeoBohga]

Well, regardless of whether playing renegade or paragon, I usually don't get to max out my social skills until just before Vimire. In order to unlock those last two slots, I believe you need to have achieved 75% of the possible paragon (or renegade) points of vanilla ME1 (meaning you can count the points from BDtS as extra). But, as you've noticed, it seems that you need to pick your assignments carefully earlier in the game to get the most paragon points possible.

[AVPen]

Read this: http://masseffect.wi.../Morality_Guide

It helped me a ton during my ME1 playthroughs (tells both the Charm/Intimidate points needed for dialog opitions and the Paragon/Renegade points that each option awards)

Modifié par AVPen, 03 mai 2011 - 04:34 .

[nranola]

The final Charm slots unlocked for me during the last of the main missions prior to Ilos; I've done most (not all) of the sidequests by that point. So unless you plan on doing the Feros mission last, I'm afraid there's no other option than to shoot that scientist down.


EDIT: I checked my game just now. The final two slots of Charm open up when your Paragon meter is about four boxes short of being full. I've done the first main mission and did all the sidequests available up to that point, as well as a second visit to the Citadel. Hope it helps!

Modifié par nranola, 03 mai 2011 - 07:35 .

[Tripedius]

On Feros I missed a level up and wasn't allowed to pick the peacefull option with the exogeni rep. At that time my charm was 11/12. Reloaded, leveled and was allowed to pick the charm option at 12/12. So on Feros it seems you need 12/12 charm for it to work.

Edit: also I had done most of all sidemissions, including everything on the citadel to that point.

Modifié par Tripedius, 03 mai 2011 - 08:38 .

[Biobetasucks]

Thanks for the help..apparently what messed me up is I went and installed the BDtS. So instead of being 75% I'm at 60%. No way to fix that other than uninstalling, reinstalling and starting over.

Already double checked the Morality guide...there isn't an order given in which to take the missions, they just give the correct dialog options...it looks like I maybe missed a few points here and there because I did not pick the Renegade option on some. Not keeping with my Paragon play...not to mention a bit counter-intuitive...

[Biobetasucks]

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Modifié par Biobetasucks, 05 mai 2011 - 01:21 .

[faeriehunter]

It's probably not the fault of BDtS. The two greyed out charm persuasions you mentioned are notoriously difficult to get on a first playthrough. Unless you know about them and plan your game carefully in advance it's all but impossible to have enough charm points at the time of those conversations. Most players only got those two persuasions by playing a new game+.

If you're worried about other greyed out charm persuasions, aside from the Exogeni representative I know of only one persuasion that requires a charm greater than 10, and that one is at the very end of the game (and may require only 9 charm depending on circumstances).

Oh yeah, don't worry about having missed a few paragon points here and there. The game has far more paragon points than are needed to reach the meter's maximum. In fact, on my last game I managed to fill the paragon meter completely and still get enough renegade points to fill three bars of the renegade meter (although that was a new game+ with both charm and intimidate maxed out at the start).

[amcnow]

I just do 3 playthroughs (2 quick + 1 full).  This allows me the luxury of building up my charm/intimidate skills without sacrificing hard-earned points.

faeriehunter wrote...

It's probably not the fault of BDtS. The two greyed out charm persuasions you mentioned are notoriously difficult to get on a first playthrough. Unless you know about them and plan your game carefully in advance it's all but impossible to have enough charm points at the time of those conversations. Most players only got those two persuasions by playing a new game+.

If you're worried about other greyed out charm persuasions, aside from the Exogeni representative I know of only one persuasion that requires a charm greater than 10, and that one is at the very end of the game (and may require only 9 charm depending on circumstances).

Oh yeah, don't worry about having missed a few paragon points here and there. The game has far more paragon points than are needed to reach the meter's maximum. In fact, on my last game I managed to fill the paragon meter completely and still get enough renegade points to fill three bars of the renegade meter (although that was a new game+ with both charm and intimidate maxed out at the start).

The bolded can easily be done on any new game+ playthrough (quick or full; charm/intimidate skill(s) maxed or empty).  I do it every time.

[CeoBohga]

Eh, I pick my battles and do the side missions first. I can't tell you what my bars were at when I played this a while back, but since I reinstalled I've been playing fresh and on my first playthrough (with BDtS installed), I'm at the final fight with my Renegade bar completely filled and my Paragon bar halfway filled. Charm points I allowed to grow naturally while I invested in Intimidate (one point sort of full at level 50). I guess the thing is, like most RPGs, this game rewards you for getting sidetracked and not doing your job in a timely manner.

[mcsupersport]

I just cheat and use the Noveria glitch to max the Paragon and Renegade scores on my second and third play and I use the Trinket monkey world to max the paragon the first play and go all renegade to max it. This allows me to play like I want too, without caring what the points say on plays 2-3 making the game more "real" to me since I don't have to worry about a meter and adjusting my play to max it.

[Nathan Redgrave]

amcnow wrote...

faeriehunter wrote...

Oh yeah, don't worry about having missed a few paragon points here and there. The game has far more paragon points than are needed to reach the meter's maximum. In fact, on my last game I managed to fill the paragon meter completely and still get enough renegade points to fill three bars of the renegade meter (although that was a new game+ with both charm and intimidate maxed out at the start).

The bolded can easily be done on any new game+ playthrough (quick or full; charm/intimidate skill(s) maxed or empty).  I do it every time.

Even in a regular New Game, it's easy to get a maxed-out persuasion stat while still coming close to 75% in the opposite morality score. My most recent Soldier playthrough was a stunning example of how smoothly a "Renegon" run can work if the system allows it.

[Clonedzero]

in my last ME1 playthrough there was a couple times when in the convo the blue charm dialogue options appeared as greyed out like i couldnt use them, but i tried to use it and it worked.
so maybe its just not triggering the blue text for it?

this was on the PC version btw.