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[SSJ5]

Bioware has stated that they didn't include some characters in ME2 (Kaidan/Ashley, Liara) so
that they could focus on them more in ME3. I hope this does not mean
that some characters will have less dialogue or loyalty mission content
just because they could have died in Mass Effect 2 (I get why they would be doing that, but I doubt that a bulk of the players will have their suqadmates dead in the first playthrough of ME3). But I kinda got that
feel from the interviews, and I don't like it one bit. Thoughts?

[DadeLeviathan]

Bioware has a finite amount of time, money and manpower. There are corners that have to be cut or else the game can't happen. Some characters that were squad members in ME2 may very well get less dialogue or not as much effort as those characters that will be in the game no matter what because:

A. the devs don't want people to feel left out
B. Accounting for every possibility would be very costly and time consuming, perhaps putting the completion of the game within the allotted timeframe in jeopardy
C. Said characters may not have been as popular as others, and thus Bioware will want to focus on the ones that were more popular.

The final thing is that Bioware does not have infinite resources. They will deliver the best game they can, but it is inevitable that they will disappoint someone with the decisions they make.

[Paula Deen]

I will be very sad if Garrus gets the backseat as a result. And I really, really want more Mordin hilarity/brilliance. He was by far my favorite character in ME2, aside from Liara in LotSB.

Of course, we do have to be practical. It's quite possible for a player to import a ME2 save with none of the squad left but Morinth (leaving Zaeed to die on his LM after the SM). And we all know that she's not coming back for ME3 (at most a cameo). If you had any plot-important quests from any of the killable squad in ME2 for ME3, then the game would be broken.

Modifié par Paula Deen, 03 mai 2011 - 06:38 .

[javierabegazo]

How could you worry about Garrus getting a backseat....? He's one of the first confirmed SQUADMATES for ME3, and even got his own Dev diary

[Wittand25]

javierabegazo wrote...

How could you worry about Garrus getting a backseat....? He's one of the first confirmed SQUADMATES for ME3, and even got his own Dev diary

Mhairi did have her own trailer during the promotion of DA:A, so I would suggest not to have too high hopes because of the GI preview.

[HTTP 404]

Garrus is cover man of Me1, Im sure he will be front in center of the action. I think even default players can have the option of having him in the story during prologue/character creation.

but on the other hand, the amount of variables there are VERSUS time and resources to make them in depth is...quite staggering.

[Manic Sheep]

The only thing them having the possibility to die guarantees is that they will not have a plot critical role. As in there absence will stop the story from advancing at all. They may still be involved. Liara (as the SB) and the VS (Alliance) probably have a plot critical role and that’s why they can't be allowed to die.
I think most people who had squadmates die the first time redo the suicide mission so they all survive anyway. From the stats I saw awhile ago most of the squad mate are alive in most people’s games. (with the exception of Morinth who few people pick) It would be stupid if bioware did not use them simply because a small percentage of players got them killed and didn't bother to fix it.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 03 mai 2011 - 07:29 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Garrus took over the buddy role that Wrex fulfilled in people. Because, honestly, he had nothing better to do. Wrex did.

I think most of the characters will be handled adequately. Even if we don't get to use and interact with them for the entire span of the game.

I'm thinking they might even play a role in the final battle. As you move through the battle, and your allies fight around you, different stretches of the mission involve you working with a different team member before being seperated in various ways.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 03 mai 2011 - 01:07 .

[Nohvarr]

Wittand25 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

How could you worry about Garrus getting a backseat....? He's one of the first confirmed SQUADMATES for ME3, and even got his own Dev diary

Mhairi did have her own trailer during the promotion of DA:A, so I would suggest not to have too high hopes because of the GI preview.

So, because the Dragon Age team did something with a character that only appeared in one game (and an expansion) you think the ME team will do the same with a major character that's played a role in two games so far and is a confirmed squad mate, and in no way suggested to be just a temp?

[Da Mecca]

I think we've seen that the Dragon Age team aren't exactly the best at what they do.

Whatever the hell that is.

[AdmiralCheez]

Wittand25 wrote...

Mhairi did have her own trailer during the promotion of DA:A, so I would suggest not to have too high hopes because of the GI preview.

So far, the man survived the Battle of the Citadel, a rocket to the face, and a suicide mission.  I am willing to bet that the plot will show him mercy this time around.  An auto-kill at this point would just be embarrassing.

EDIT: Although Patrick Weekes DID compare ME3's Garrus to a combination of Wash from Firefly and Romeo and Juliet's Mercutio...

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 03 mai 2011 - 01:21 .

[Nohvarr]

That means a heroic death at the end of the game. Hmmm Garrus sacrificing himself, taking Shepards place rather than let the commander die...I can hear the fangirls crying all ready...it's sweet music....

[Eudaemonium]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Mhairi did have her own trailer during the promotion of DA:A, so I would suggest not to have too high hopes because of the GI preview.

So far, the man survived the Battle of the Citadel, a rocket to the face, and a suicide mission.  I am willing to bet that the plot will show him mercy this time around.  An auto-kill at this point would just be embarrassing.

EDIT: Although Patrick Weekes DID compare ME3's Garrus to a combination of Wash from Firefly and Romeo and Juliet's Mercutio...

Wash! Noooooooooooooo!

I wonder how many of the cast are actually going to bite the proverbial (and at times literal) bullet in the final installment. It is a sobering thought.

[AdmiralCheez]

Nohvarr wrote...

That means a heroic death at the end of the game. Hmmm Garrus sacrificing himself, taking Shepards place rather than let the commander die...I can hear the fangirls crying all ready...it's sweet music....

Nay, sir, they would be MANLY TEARS OF ULTIMATE GUY LOVE as Garrus and Shepard brofist before casting themselves into oblivion for the sake of the galaxy!

But seriously, what is it with you and wanting to make fans cry today?  Pretty dickish, if I do say so myself.

[Nohvarr]

I've come to understand that fans crying is one of the sweetest things ever and doing it right is a wonderful thing indeed. I don't mean making a bad movie/game/book I mean giving them exactly what they want in the worst possible fashion, and making them love it. Look at what Bioware did with ME 2 and Tali. You romance her, hug her and at the end just when you think you're about to see her face the camera shifts away. Glorious!

That's what I want to have happen. For Bioware and other companies to toy with their fans, to mess with their heads, and their emotions. Because I know that if a fan crys over the death of a character, then Bioware really has created something wonderful.

[AdmiralCheez]

Oh, naturally, but there's a fine line between playing with your audience and kicking them in the balls in an attempt to create "drama." Compare Wash's death in Serenity to what the f*ck Rowling did in Deathly Hallows.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 03 mai 2011 - 01:34 .

[Nohvarr]

That's why I love it when it's done right. If ME 3 kicks you (emotionally) in the balls, rips you're heart out, stomps on and then lights it on fire, and at the end of the day you come crawling back saying 'Please sir/mama may I have another' then I can happily declare that work awesome.

[Eudaemonium]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh, naturally, but there's a fine line between playing with your audience and kicking them in the balls in an attempt to create "drama." Compare Wash's death in Serenity to what the f*ck Rowling did in Deathly Hallows.

So the moral of the story is not to kill off everyone who isn't actually a main character, leaving those few intact for a rather sketch epilogue that read like a bad fanfic?

I can live with that.

EDIT:

Nohvarr wrote...

That's why I love it when it's done
right. If ME 3 kicks you (emotionally) in the balls, rips you're heart
out, stomps on and then lights it on fire, and at the end of the day you
come crawling back saying 'Please sir/mama may I have another' then I
can happily declare that work awesome.

One the games that actually did that to me was Nier. Mainly the NG+ playthroughs. I guess the 'please...more' was satisfied by the fact you have to play it 3+ times to get the full story.

Modifié par Eudaemonium, 03 mai 2011 - 01:40 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Indeed. I just hope Bioware doesn't cross that line. Nothing cheapens a story faster than someone dying just because they needed a dramatic moment. Fans should be going, "Holy sh*t, did that just happen?!" D8 and not, "Seriously, Bioware, that didn't just happen." :|

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
EDIT: Although Patrick Weekes DID compare ME3's Garrus to a combination of Wash from Firefly and Romeo and Juliet's Mercutio...

I'm sorry. But do you have a link and could somebody tell who the hell Wash and Mercutio is?

[Nohvarr]

Death is tricky. Take a look at Babylon 5 (wow that brings back memeories....) A number of people did not survive that series.

[Warning Spoilers for B5 ahead]

The death of Marcus was a kick to the balls for me as I loved that character and wasn't exactly happy with how he died. However, Neroons death (The Mimbari warrior who originally hated Delenn) was Epic. Taking Delenn's place in the wheel of fire, and declaring that though he was born of the warrior caste his heart was religious....was awesome.

Lizardviking wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
EDIT: Although Patrick Weekes DID compare ME3's Garrus to a combination of Wash from Firefly and Romeo and Juliet's Mercutio...

I'm sorry. But do you have a link and could somebody tell who the hell Wash and Mercutio is?

.....you kids today and your Stargate Universe...

Wash is the pilot from Firefly, Zoe's husband.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 03 mai 2011 - 01:46 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

I'm sorry. But do you have a link and could somebody tell who the hell Wash and Mercutio is?

magenator wrote...

A series of tweets about Garrus from Patrick Weekes

**Possibly spoilerish**

@arch4ngel
@ralyse Dang it! Ah, well. Off to write some ME3 dialog. I think of ME3
Garrus as Mercutio meets Wash from Firefly... >

@arch4ngel @ralyse You do remember what Mercutio and Wash have in common, right? #deepasawell #wideasachurchdoor

@arch4ngel He'll be fine! I mean, his writer is your co-number-one-fangirl! OH WAIT...

@annlemay @arch4ngel Me? ME? Would I do that? Look at my innocent eyes! --> O.O

I can't find the other side if the conversation and I havent seen fireflys but that doesn't sound good :|

Wash

Mercutio

And more Wash

And, from SparkNotes:

Mercutio
With a lightning-quick wit and a clever mind, Mercutio
is a scene stealer and one of the most memorable characters in all
of Shakespeare’s works. Though he constantly puns, jokes, and teases—sometimes
in fun, sometimes with bitterness—Mercutio is not a mere jester
or prankster. With his wild words, Mercutio punctures the romantic
sentiments and blind self-love that exist within the play. He mocks
Romeos self-indulgence just as he ridicules Tybalt’s hauteur and
adherence to fashion. The critic Stephen Greenblatt describes Mercutio
as a force within the play that functions to deflate the possibility
of romantic love and the power of tragic fate. Unlike the other
characters who blame their deaths on fate, Mercutio dies cursing
all Montagues and Capulets. Mercutio believes that specific people
are responsible for his death rather than some external impersonal
force.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 03 mai 2011 - 02:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nohvarr wrote...
.....you kids today and your Stargate Universe...

Wash is the pilot from Firefly, Zoe's husband.

Never watched Firefly, so that does not ring me any bells. Perhaps I should see it one day. Have only watched a few ST:TNG episodes and Wrath of Khan when it comes to popular sci-fi.

[Nohvarr]

Lizardviking wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...
.....you kids today and your Stargate Universe...

Wash is the pilot from Firefly, Zoe's husband.

Never watched Firefly, so that does not ring me any bells. Perhaps I should see it one day. Have only watched a few ST:TNG episodes and Wrath of Khan when it comes to popular sci-fi.

 Oi....all right the good admiral has given you a link Firefly info. I'm going to list the Sci-fi series you need to watch.

ST: TNG: Season 3-7
Deep Space Nine season 3-7
Babylon 5 seasons 1-4
Firefly
Farscape Seasons 1-4
Earth Final Conflict season 1 only
 I'll give you a list of movies once you finished all that.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Hmmm...

"He foreshadows the devastating events,
serves as Romeo's friend, and gives the audience important information
throughout the play.  Mercutio's death is the turning point in the
play.  For all of these reasons, Mercutio is essential to the play."


Sounds promising. Looks like we have a potential candidate for topping Virmire. Perhaps Garrus paragon interupts Shepard and throws him into the escape shuttle?