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[AudioEpics]

I mostly lurk around these forums. I read some posts here and there but always never post anything myself and this is definitely the first time I pick up a new topic.

I'm a tabletop RPG guy who's played almost all of Bioware's RPGs from the days of Baldur's Gate 1 onward. I was wary about Dragon Age II when I saw those first images... I really didn't know what to make of this game. It just looked so different. Then I saw what happened on these forums when the game was released and I was quite worried. One of my best friends had bought the game and his reaction was not very enthusiastic... I was seriously doubting whether I should get it now but eventually, being a fan of Bioware, I thought "it can't be that bad... I'll just have to try for myself". And so I finally got the game...

All I can say is... I'm blown away by it. Seriously, I love this game. I'm completely taken by surprise by just how much I love it, maybe even more than the first Dragon Age. I know a lot of you don't love it, or don't even like it and I respect that. In fact, I think I can understand what bothers many people about the way the story is told, the streamlined gameplay, the repetition of environments and so on. 
But personally, I adore the way the story is told, I enjoy the streamlined gameplay immensely (I do, don't shoot me) and no, I don't like the repetition of environments but it doesn't really bother that much me either.

The thing is... I loved Origins too (I finished another playthrough just a few weeks ago). I loved its epic story, its memorable characters, its sweeping grandeur. But Dragon Age II just makes me feel things I have never felt before in a game. I feel so much more attached to my Hawke, who is a much more rounded, believable character than any of my previous ones have been. I love how Kirkwall feels like a real place, at once frightening and awesome as well as a place I can call home. It's a world of its own, rife with conflict and anger, fraught with a deep history bathed in blood but also a haven for pioneers and adventurers. It's a CITY and not just a quest hub. I love my companions and how there is a real sense of family in this game. How you can wander about the place, pick up quests and go home in the evenings or hang out with Varric at the Hanged Man. 

There's just a magic present here, I can't quite explain it. Sure, I have my complaints... The recycled environments is one, the over the top gore in the fights may be another. I still think persistent gore looks ridiculous (I know I can turn it off) and that ordinary NPCs should run away when an epic clash is happening just a few feet away from them. I see those things, yes... But I won't go too deeply into them as they've all been mentioned on this forum elsewhere. There are also many things I'm really happy with, like the fluency and ferocity of combat and the rich, elegant sound design. But what I really want to communicate is the warmth, the humanity and the soul that I feel Dragon Age II has, even more so than the first game. And how I was completely taken by surprise when it comes to that.

So there it is. I just wanted to post this because I have the impression I'm in a minority here but I think it's worth mentioning and I kind of hope that Bioware reads this as I'm a creative person myself and I know how important it is to know you've reached at least a portion of your audience.

[1483749283]

Thank you---I wholeheartedly agree. Kirkwall truly felt like home to me.

[Lesdeth]

Sounds like another individual who didn't understand the mechanics of DAO enough to make combat better.

Modifié par Lesdeth, 03 mai 2011 - 06:28 .

[Persephone]

Beautifully said! I completely agree! Don't let anyone spoil that enjoyment!:happy:

[Zjarcal]

Lesdeth wrote...

Sounds like another individual who didn't understand the mechanics of DAO enough to make combat better.

Le sigh...

+1 to the OP.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

AudioEpics wrote...

I mostly lurk around these forums. I read some posts here and there but always never post anything myself and this is definitely the first time I pick up a new topic.

I'm a tabletop RPG guy who's played almost all of Bioware's RPGs from the days of Baldur's Gate 1 onward. I was wary about Dragon Age II when I saw those first images... I really didn't know what to make of this game. It just looked so different. Then I saw what happened on these forums when the game was released and I was quite worried. One of my best friends had bought the game and his reaction was not very enthusiastic... I was seriously doubting whether I should get it now but eventually, being a fan of Bioware, I thought "it can't be that bad... I'll just have to try for myself". And so I finally got the game...

All I can say is... I'm blown away by it. Seriously, I love this game. I'm completely taken by surprise by just how much I love it, maybe even more than the first Dragon Age. I know a lot of you don't love it, or don't even like it and I respect that. In fact, I think I can understand what bothers many people about the way the story is told, the streamlined gameplay, the repetition of environments and so on. 
But personally, I adore the way the story is told, I enjoy the streamlined gameplay immensely (I do, don't shoot me) and no, I don't like the repetition of environments but it doesn't really bother that much me either.

The thing is... I loved Origins too (I finished another playthrough just a few weeks ago). I loved its epic story, its memorable characters, its sweeping grandeur. But Dragon Age II just makes me feel things I have never felt before in a game. I feel so much more attached to my Hawke, who is a much more rounded, believable character than any of my previous ones have been. I love how Kirkwall feels like a real place, at once frightening and awesome as well as a place I can call home. It's a world of its own, rife with conflict and anger, fraught with a deep history bathed in blood but also a haven for pioneers and adventurers. It's a CITY and not just a quest hub. I love my companions and how there is a real sense of family in this game. How you can wander about the place, pick up quests and go home in the evenings or hang out with Varric at the Hanged Man. 

There's just a magic present here, I can't quite explain it. Sure, I have my complaints... The recycled environments is one, the over the top gore in the fights may be another. I still think persistent gore looks ridiculous (I know I can turn it off) and that ordinary NPCs should run away when an epic clash is happening just a few feet away from them. I see those things, yes... But I won't go too deeply into them as they've all been mentioned on this forum elsewhere. There are also many things I'm really happy with, like the fluency and ferocity of combat and the rich, elegant sound design. But what I really want to communicate is the warmth, the humanity and the soul that I feel Dragon Age II has, even more so than the first game. And how I was completely taken by surprise when it comes to that.

So there it is. I just wanted to post this because I have the impression I'm in a minority here but I think it's worth mentioning and I kind of hope that Bioware reads this as I'm a creative person myself and I know how important it is to know you've reached at least a portion of your audience.

Hi Persephony.

[Persephone]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

AudioEpics wrote...

I mostly lurk around these forums. I read some posts here and there but always never post anything myself and this is definitely the first time I pick up a new topic.

I'm a tabletop RPG guy who's played almost all of Bioware's RPGs from the days of Baldur's Gate 1 onward. I was wary about Dragon Age II when I saw those first images... I really didn't know what to make of this game. It just looked so different. Then I saw what happened on these forums when the game was released and I was quite worried. One of my best friends had bought the game and his reaction was not very enthusiastic... I was seriously doubting whether I should get it now but eventually, being a fan of Bioware, I thought "it can't be that bad... I'll just have to try for myself". And so I finally got the game...

All I can say is... I'm blown away by it. Seriously, I love this game. I'm completely taken by surprise by just how much I love it, maybe even more than the first Dragon Age. I know a lot of you don't love it, or don't even like it and I respect that. In fact, I think I can understand what bothers many people about the way the story is told, the streamlined gameplay, the repetition of environments and so on. 
But personally, I adore the way the story is told, I enjoy the streamlined gameplay immensely (I do, don't shoot me) and no, I don't like the repetition of environments but it doesn't really bother that much me either.

The thing is... I loved Origins too (I finished another playthrough just a few weeks ago). I loved its epic story, its memorable characters, its sweeping grandeur. But Dragon Age II just makes me feel things I have never felt before in a game. I feel so much more attached to my Hawke, who is a much more rounded, believable character than any of my previous ones have been. I love how Kirkwall feels like a real place, at once frightening and awesome as well as a place I can call home. It's a world of its own, rife with conflict and anger, fraught with a deep history bathed in blood but also a haven for pioneers and adventurers. It's a CITY and not just a quest hub. I love my companions and how there is a real sense of family in this game. How you can wander about the place, pick up quests and go home in the evenings or hang out with Varric at the Hanged Man. 

There's just a magic present here, I can't quite explain it. Sure, I have my complaints... The recycled environments is one, the over the top gore in the fights may be another. I still think persistent gore looks ridiculous (I know I can turn it off) and that ordinary NPCs should run away when an epic clash is happening just a few feet away from them. I see those things, yes... But I won't go too deeply into them as they've all been mentioned on this forum elsewhere. There are also many things I'm really happy with, like the fluency and ferocity of combat and the rich, elegant sound design. But what I really want to communicate is the warmth, the humanity and the soul that I feel Dragon Age II has, even more so than the first game. And how I was completely taken by surprise when it comes to that.

So there it is. I just wanted to post this because I have the impression I'm in a minority here but I think it's worth mentioning and I kind of hope that Bioware reads this as I'm a creative person myself and I know how important it is to know you've reached at least a portion of your audience.

Hi Persephony.

Is that the best effort you could put together?

I am disappointed. You're losing your touch.

Wait....you actually never had it.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Persephone wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

AudioEpics wrote...

I mostly lurk around these forums. I read some posts here and there but always never post anything myself and this is definitely the first time I pick up a new topic.

I'm a tabletop RPG guy who's played almost all of Bioware's RPGs from the days of Baldur's Gate 1 onward. I was wary about Dragon Age II when I saw those first images... I really didn't know what to make of this game. It just looked so different. Then I saw what happened on these forums when the game was released and I was quite worried. One of my best friends had bought the game and his reaction was not very enthusiastic... I was seriously doubting whether I should get it now but eventually, being a fan of Bioware, I thought "it can't be that bad... I'll just have to try for myself". And so I finally got the game...

All I can say is... I'm blown away by it. Seriously, I love this game. I'm completely taken by surprise by just how much I love it, maybe even more than the first Dragon Age. I know a lot of you don't love it, or don't even like it and I respect that. In fact, I think I can understand what bothers many people about the way the story is told, the streamlined gameplay, the repetition of environments and so on. 
But personally, I adore the way the story is told, I enjoy the streamlined gameplay immensely (I do, don't shoot me) and no, I don't like the repetition of environments but it doesn't really bother that much me either.

The thing is... I loved Origins too (I finished another playthrough just a few weeks ago). I loved its epic story, its memorable characters, its sweeping grandeur. But Dragon Age II just makes me feel things I have never felt before in a game. I feel so much more attached to my Hawke, who is a much more rounded, believable character than any of my previous ones have been. I love how Kirkwall feels like a real place, at once frightening and awesome as well as a place I can call home. It's a world of its own, rife with conflict and anger, fraught with a deep history bathed in blood but also a haven for pioneers and adventurers. It's a CITY and not just a quest hub. I love my companions and how there is a real sense of family in this game. How you can wander about the place, pick up quests and go home in the evenings or hang out with Varric at the Hanged Man. 

There's just a magic present here, I can't quite explain it. Sure, I have my complaints... The recycled environments is one, the over the top gore in the fights may be another. I still think persistent gore looks ridiculous (I know I can turn it off) and that ordinary NPCs should run away when an epic clash is happening just a few feet away from them. I see those things, yes... But I won't go too deeply into them as they've all been mentioned on this forum elsewhere. There are also many things I'm really happy with, like the fluency and ferocity of combat and the rich, elegant sound design. But what I really want to communicate is the warmth, the humanity and the soul that I feel Dragon Age II has, even more so than the first game. And how I was completely taken by surprise when it comes to that.

So there it is. I just wanted to post this because I have the impression I'm in a minority here but I think it's worth mentioning and I kind of hope that Bioware reads this as I'm a creative person myself and I know how important it is to know you've reached at least a portion of your audience.

Hi Persephony.

Is that the best effort you could put together?

I am disappointed. You're losing your touch.

Wait....you actually never had it.

Sometimes only a few words are enough.

[AudioEpics]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...


Hi Persephony.

Look here, Jabba, you can disagree with me all you want but don't falsely accuse me. I am not Persephone and I'm definitely not PersePHONY (which I assume was just a typo and not a clever joke).

By the way, thanks for the compliment, Persephone.

Modifié par AudioEpics, 03 mai 2011 - 06:57 .

[Maria Caliban]

Lesdeth wrote...

Sounds like another individual who didn't understand the mechanics of DAO enough to make combat better.

Sounds like another individual who hasn't noticed that the majority of DA II's combat mechanics are the same as DA:O's.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

AudioEpics wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...


Hi Persephony.

Look here, Jabba, you can disagree with me all you want but don't falsely accuse me. I am not Persephone and I'm definitely not PersePHONY (which I assume was just a typo and not a clever joke).

By the way, thanks for the compliment, Persephone.

Denying my cleverness only makes you look more persephonic. Did Gaider reply to your love letter yet?

[Booger]

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

[Persephone]

AudioEpics wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...


Hi Persephony.

Look here, Jabba, you can disagree with me all you want but don't falsely accuse me. I am not Persephone and I'm definitely not PersePHONY (which I assume was just a typo and not a clever joke).

By the way, thanks for the compliment, Persephone.

You're very welcome.

Jabba's behavior above is exactly what really angers me about many of the haters. (And no, not everyone who dislikes DAII is a hater) And it wasn't a typo, he has been harassing me with that kind of nonsense for quite some time.

And just to underline it once more: I will also not be accused of ID fraud.

This isn't Metacritic, after all. <_<

[Persephone]

Booger wrote...

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

So we're back to personal insults and bullying?

Charming, really. :innocent:

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

So we're back to personal insults and bullying?

Charming, really. :innocent:

Three people. Your alt accounts do not count.

[Booger]

Just pointing out the facts. He has pretty low standards. As do you, for insults and bullying. I could have done much better than that.

[Persephone]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

So we're back to personal insults and bullying?

Charming, really. :innocent:

Three people. Your alt accounts do not count.

So you think I'm stooping to your level now?

Reported.

[Persephone]

Booger wrote...

Just pointing out the facts. He has pretty low standards. As do you, for insults and bullying. I could have done much better than that.

What facts? People like and dislike different things. It has always been this way. Can't people like what they like without being constantly harassed and insulted by those who disagree with them?

It's what ADULTS do, you know?

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Persephone wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

So we're back to personal insults and bullying?

Charming, really. :innocent:

Three people. Your alt accounts do not count.

So you think I'm stooping to your level now?

Reported.

LOL

Here I thought you were immune to my childishness.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 03 mai 2011 - 07:12 .

[AudioEpics]

Wow... I'm shocked. I hadn't expected this level of uhm... debate. 

I'm not going to reply anymore to those types of comment, though. 

For what it's worth, I'm a 28 year-old male from Belgium.

Modifié par AudioEpics, 03 mai 2011 - 07:17 .

[Persephone]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

So we're back to personal insults and bullying?

Charming, really. :innocent:

Three people. Your alt accounts do not count.

So you think I'm stooping to your level now?

Reported.

LOL

Here I thought you were immune to my childishness.

Being childish is one thing. Online harassment and an accusation of ID fraud is where I draw the line. PM to Mods is sent.<_<

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Persephone wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Is this a joke? You felt warmth and soul? hahaha. You're crazy.
Well at least 4 people liked it.

So we're back to personal insults and bullying?

Charming, really. :innocent:

Three people. Your alt accounts do not count.

So you think I'm stooping to your level now?

Reported.

LOL

Here I thought you were immune to my childishness.

Being childish is one thing. Online harassment and an accusation of ID fraud is where I draw the line. PM to Mods is sent.<_<

PM to mods? I thought you only had to flash the bat signal.

[Realmzmaster]

@AudioEpics,
I am glad you enjoyed the game. I found DA 2 to be a very worthwhile game and I got my money's worth. Yes the game has flaws. (I have yet to play one that did not.) If you enjoyed and got your money's worth that is all that matters to you.
As far as combat mechanics in CRPGS, I wouuld be happy to discuss the mechanics available in any game from Aklabeth to DA 2. I sure we all could have a good discussion on the similarities and differences. The differences between DA:0 and DA 2 are minuscule at best. The underlying mechanics are basically the same.
What is with the snarky comments. If you cannot have civil discourse why are you here? If someone chooses to praise the game because they like it and explain why they like it, why does that bother some people?
It is an opinion which is just as vaild as anyone's opinion.

+10 to Persephone You rock!

[Booger]

Yes facts. There should be a "did you like DA2?" question on all mental health evaluations from now on. haha
And yes I am an adult. Thats why I'm spending time on a video game forum.

[Galien]

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Just pointing out the facts. He has pretty low standards. As do you, for insults and bullying. I could have done much better than that.

What facts? People like and dislike different things. It has always been this way. Can't people like what they like without being constantly harassed and insulted by those who disagree with them?

It's what ADULTS do, you know?

He can not know, as he never experienced it But to try and be serious for a while (I will try to look as I know how to do it), many people simply thinks that whoever disagrees with them is either a minority, or has a low standarts, or is donwright idiot. I had a blog about it few months ago, but as it is in language only a few people here would understand (by percentage) I will not bother getting a link here, as it is obvious anyway. It is strange how people who likes the game mostly do not have a problem with someone who do not share their opinion, but people who hate the game are insulting anyone of different opinion...  Anyway, I like the game, and athough it has its flaws, I enjoyed it immersely. Reusing of the dungeons is a shame, but it does not bother me - I remember a time where you could have few hundred same dungeons in the same game and no one was bothered by it. ME had much more reused dungeons then DA2 and it did not stopped it from becoming a game of the year. I personally do not think that DA2 will be game of the year as well (we have Skyrim coming) but it is still a fine game.