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[JabbaDaHutt30]

Elhanan wrote...

Lesdeth wrote...

No they aren't...  Exploding bodies?  Leaping tall buildings in a single bound?  Wave system?  Restricted Weapons for classes?  Insanely long Cooldowns?  Less spells and abilities?  Hitting auto attack more than anything else because of the ridiculous knockback?  Ninja thugs?  Seriously...

Exploding bodies; check.

Leaping tall buildings? Guessing this means Dodge moves. check

Wave system; both had it (eg; Broodmother, Archdemon, etc); DA2 more frequently.

Restricted weapons; both had it, but DA2 had even more, I believe.

Longer cooldowns AND shorter ones, too.

Less skills, as these are now inherit in the system; but both Talents and Spells seemed equally plentiful for non-Epic play.

Difficulty slider; on both (try non-Nightmare for less knockbacks, omit Friendly Fire, etc). Your choice.

Ninja thugs; guess this means stealthy warriors dropping from above. I soooo want to say both, and point to a falling Riordin, but check.

Seriously; well maybe only a tad, but I gotta be me....

Some of those things aren't even remotely similar... try again.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 03 mai 2011 - 04:30 .

[fightright2]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Yeah, Ali. No Mako sure makes it appealing all on its own.

Bummer about your wife's vertigo, I'm sorry to hear that, Cutlass. What about Morrowind? I think I'd cry real bitter tears if I couldn't play that game. It is kind of old, but the mods are fabulous. They can spiffy it up in many areas.

As for not telling on you, sorry. We sisters have to stick together. It's a law. The Order dictates, and the Qun demands it. My apologies.

Nope no Morrowind, no Oblivion. Daggerfall she enjoyed, but couldn't make beyond that. She sadly had to give up on the Fallout series as well when it went to Bethseda. Too much free range of camera movement I guess. She does fine in Bioware games and MMORPGs in general. But an hour or so in a Bethseda game and she's running to the bathroom.

I feel bad for her. I know she'd love them, but can't play them. So I generally downplay enjoying them.

But for whatever reason she was fine with the Mako. I thought for sure she'd get sick playing Mass Effect. I think she enjoyed driving that thing horribly all over the landscape. But as long as she keeps the settings on casual for the ME games she's good.

Sorry to hear about your wife. I can relate on the vertigo.
But for me, I am a migraine sufferer as it runs in my family. Nausea and vertigo do with it for me.
But on good days I play what I want. If I have one, you can forget about FPS, though I love BFBC2 to death, I can't jump in the tank to give my hub support.
If my head isn't so bad off- they have been known to last days at a time- then I can play an rpg and just run real subtle-like around corners.
Even watching my husband play Fallout or Oblivion would still sicken me because I'm not the one with the control.
I really feel for her.

[Elhanan]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Lesdeth wrote...

No they aren't...  Exploding bodies?  Leaping tall buildings in a single bound?  Wave system?  Restricted Weapons for classes?  Insanely long Cooldowns?  Less spells and abilities?  Hitting auto attack more than anything else because of the ridiculous knockback?  Ninja thugs?  Seriously...

Exploding bodies; check.

Leaping tall buildings? Guessing this means Dodge moves. check

Wave system; both had it (eg; Broodmother, Archdemon, etc); DA2 more frequently.

Restricted weapons; both had it, but DA2 had even more, I believe.

Longer cooldowns AND shorter ones, too.

Less skills, as these are now inherit in the system; but both Talents and Spells seemed equally plentiful for non-Epic play.

Difficulty slider; on both (try non-Nightmare for less knockbacks, omit Friendly Fire, etc). Your choice.

Ninja thugs; guess this means stealthy warriors dropping from above. I soooo want to say both, and point to a falling Riordin, but check.

Seriously; well maybe only a tad, but I gotta be me....

Some of those things aren't even remotely similar... try again.

If you insist....

[fightright2]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Whacka wrote...

I like DA2.

Am I stupid now?

I'm not smart enough to answer that question.

Didn't you just answer that in the other thread topic'd "Are we stupid?"

*snickers*

[TEWR]

well... maybe I shouldn't have said I loved the game. That's too strong a word I think. But I do think it's a good game, especially for something that was rushed. Most games that are rushed like DA2 was end up being so horrible you can't even play it once.

[DOYOURLABS]

I feel the same way. I didn't notice there were bad things in da2 until I went on the forums. I still love this game, and I can't go back to origins because it feels so sluggish compared to da2.

[Sith_exar_kun]

I really didn't like very much the game, It's not bad but it lacks something, probably i will not buy DA3.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Pausanias wrote...

Thank you---I wholeheartedly agree. Kirkwall truly felt like home a necropolis to me.

fixed it

[Morroian]

Lesdeth wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lesdeth wrote...

Sounds like another individual who didn't understand the mechanics of DAO enough to make combat better.

Sounds like another individual who hasn't noticed that the majority of DA II's combat mechanics are the same as DA:O's.

No they aren't...  Exploding bodies?  Leaping tall buildings in a single bound?  Wave system?  Restricted Weapons for classes?  Insanely long Cooldowns?  Less spells and abilities?  Hitting auto attack more than anything else because of the ridiculous knockback?  Ninja thugs?  Seriously...

None of those are what I would call combat mechanics see:

http://dragonage.wik...hanics_(Origins)

[Aermord]

AudioEpics wrote...

So there it is. I just wanted to post this because I have the impression I'm in a minority here but I think it's worth mentioning and I kind of hope that Bioware reads this as I'm a creative person myself and I know how important it is to know you've reached at least a portion of your audience.

Good for you that you like the game.

Don't worry about Bioware not knowing that some people think the game is great. According to some of their interviews, they believe that a majority of players really liked the game, and that it is only a few players who didnt.

Hence it is those of us who didnt who might feel the urge to scream and shout, hoping Bioware will realize that we might not be as few as they try to make it sound.

[deuce985]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Lesdeth wrote...

Sounds like another individual who didn't understand the mechanics of DAO enough to make combat better.

Sounds like another individual who hasn't noticed that the majority of DA II's combat mechanics are the same as DA:O's.

I agree with this 100%. The combat in DA2 is in a lot of ways more polished than DA:O. I loved DA:O's combat. I'm the type of guy who plays these games on Nightmare and loves tactical flavor. DA2 has arguably more tactics involved than DA:O. Your unit has to fight more cohesively together. You need to use redirect threat abilities and combo abilities much more than you ever did in DA:O. They didn't just give shield/sword warriors the ability to immediately snag aggro from everything. You had to use threat abilities on your other characters. You can also move around the battle field better and even cover chokepoints tactically with warriors. Now, the AI/Tactics system is still about as broke as DA:O was but that is another story. DA2 is basically a fast, more fluid combat than DA:O. It is the same thing in almost every way, just better because of the pacing. The only flaws I hate in the DA2 combat, is no more tactical camera, the auto-target crap that automatically locks me on to a target when I'm using AOE spell/items, AI and Tactics system. The auto-lock for AOE spells makes me want to gouge my eyeballs out because you need a specifc area on Nightmare and it won't listen to me!

You could argue DA2's combat also has TONS more immersion on everything except Nightmare. I can constantly press R on my two-hand warrior and watch him slide through targets ripping the battlefield up. I also don't have to pause the game to use my abilities as they're all hotkeyed. It makes the combat feel so fluid and fast. I've never played a fantasy RPG with this type of pacing in the combat. On Nightmare, the AI/Tactics is so stupid you have to pause to tactically put everyone where you want. Even then they still do dumb things like path through a enemy and get one shot by my Two-Hand Warrior. But I definitely agree with what you're saying overall. I will say I feel things are rushed in DA2 and I can't for the life of my figure out why Bioware did this? This game could easily crush DA:O in every way possible. They did so much better than DA:O in some ways but took a big step back in areas they shouldn't have. That is another story though.

Modifié par deuce985, 03 mai 2011 - 10:42 .

[Melca36]

Yes. These lovely citizens really made the city seem alive.





And let me just clarify my post by saying I didn't hate DA:2 but it could have been a better game had it not been rushed and some of the game elements not as simplified.  It will always get a 7/8 in my book. Story DLC might change that.

[Elhanan]

Melca36 wrote...

Yes. These lovely citizens really made the city seem alive.

*snip*

And let me just clarify my post by saying I didn't hate DA:2 but it could have been a better game had it not been rushed and some of the game elements not as simplified.  It will always get a 7/8 in my book. Story DLC might change that.

Ahhh! The Bros Grim.....

[TheTranzor]

I enjoyed the game too... I also enjoyed Origins. DA2 isn't the best game there is, it isn't the worst either. The worst is a tie between Barbie's Horse Adventures and the latest CoD. And this is coming from a CoD player... each generation of CoD gets worse, and horrible thing about it, more and more people buy it even though it continues to get worse.... so of course they won't make a better game that way.

At least with DA2, the sales haven't been as great, so that alone will probably mean a major overhaul. With CoD, they have no incentive to make a better game, because each generation makes more money than the previous one, due to the massive amounts of sheeple that play it.

[Tommy6860]

TheTranzor wrote...

At least with DA2, the sales haven't been as great, so that alone will probably mean a major overhaul. With CoD, they have no incentive to make a better game, because each generation makes more money than the previous one, due to the massive amounts of sheeple that play it.

I disagree with calling COD players "sheeple". It is simply that they like shooters and that appeals to them. Is it really any different than me liking RPGs and what I expect from them? It also isn't like they are just taking any one COD game and reusing the same exact settigns, characters, etc, over and over again. I personally cannot stand playing shooter because they typically don't offer immersio in the way I want in games, but I won't call those who like them something that I wouldn't want applied to me because of my tastes.

@ the OP:

While I disagree with the elements of the game that appealed to you, because I don't think it is an RPG in the sense I think it should be, I am very happy (no seriously, I mean that) that you enjoyed the game, and that's what really matters. If you got from DA2 what you did, then it certainly paid off for you as well.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 04 mai 2011 - 01:23 .

[erynnar]

Galien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Booger wrote...

Just pointing out the facts. He has pretty low standards. As do you, for insults and bullying. I could have done much better than that.

What facts? People like and dislike different things. It has always been this way. Can't people like what they like without being constantly harassed and insulted by those who disagree with them?

It's what ADULTS do, you know?

He can not know, as he never experienced it But to try and be serious for a while (I will try to look as I know how to do it), many people simply thinks that whoever disagrees with them is either a minority, or has a low standarts, or is donwright idiot. I had a blog about it few months ago, but as it is in language only a few people here would understand (by percentage) I will not bother getting a link here, as it is obvious anyway. It is strange how people who likes the game mostly do not have a problem with someone who do not share their opinion, but people who hate the game are insulting anyone of different opinion...  Anyway, I like the game, and athough it has its flaws, I enjoyed it immersely. Reusing of the dungeons is a shame, but it does not bother me - I remember a time where you could have few hundred same dungeons in the same game and no one was bothered by it. ME had much more reused dungeons then DA2 and it did not stopped it from becoming a game of the year. I personally do not think that DA2 will be game of the year as well (we have Skyrim coming) but it is still a fine game.

Well I have to agree to disagree with you there. The people who don't like it get harrassed, insulted, and called names as well. And from what I can see it is just about equal. What I don't see, is the people from the love the game side of the aisle willing to call those on their side for doing it, well, one exception Ariella.

I however don't tolerate the name calling or abuse. So Jabba, knock it off, it has made you look trashy, classless, and immature. Unless that is what you are going for? Leave it off before you get yourself bannded permanently. Just sayin'.


And to the OP, I may agree to disagree with you, but I am very glad you loved it. I hope you keep on enjoying it and I am glad you made up your own mind on it.

Modifié par erynnar, 04 mai 2011 - 01:47 .

[Maverick827]

I think the most important thing that we can take away from this thread is that Persephone is so devilishly crafty that she made an alternate account to praise DA2 408 days before it was released and then waited another month and a half to post under it.

Clever girl...

[neppakyo]

Maverick827 wrote...

I think the most important thing that we can take away from this thread is that Persephone is so devilishly crafty that she made an alternate account to praise DA2 408 days before it was released and then waited another month and a half to post under it.

Clever girl...

She is quite devious! Never underestimate a woman, they defy logic!

[Booger]

I'm so sorry I bothered some of you people so much. Ha, not! But really I'm glad you got your own thread to love on DA2. I do feel badly that you can't just enjoy it sometimes in the threads. In way of explanation tho, some of us players really love rpgs, and its just so dissapointing when they crap on a great one like Origins. And lets face it, nothing personal, but players like you who like substandard games are partly responsible, because you just encourage more of the same. I hope you realize that you can demand more from them, otherwise don't expect anything better in DA3. It will just be cheaper and faster and crappier.

[MorseDenizen]

One way or another Kirkwall was above and beyond the pitiful Denerim and Amaranthine, it actually felt like a city, much more alive, it could still have been improved but I like it loads nonetheless

[AkiKishi]

MorseDenizen wrote...

One way or another Kirkwall was above and beyond the pitiful Denerim and Amaranthine, it actually felt like a city, much more alive, it could still have been improved but I like it loads nonetheless

But you don't spend 80% of the game in Denerim and you don't see it supposedly change over 7 years.

[Finiffa]

neppakyo wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I think the most important thing that we can take away from this thread is that Persephone is so devilishly crafty that she made an alternate account to praise DA2 408 days before it was released and then waited another month and a half to post under it.

Clever girl...

She is quite devious! Never underestimate a woman, they defy logic!

It's rather sad how some people will not accept that others may have different tastes....

[Andraste_Reborn]

And lets face it, nothing personal, but players like you who like substandard games are partly responsible, because you just encourage more of the same. I hope you realize that you can demand more from them, otherwise don't expect anything better in DA3. It will just be cheaper and faster and crappier.

The thing is, though, that some people don't think that DA2 was a substandard game. I'm one of them. There are certainly individual aspects that could use improvement. I'd like less area recycling and a better camera for the PC, for example. On the whole, however, I think DA2 is a good game and I've enjoyed playing through it three times already. There are a lot of areas - the friendship/rivalry system, the voiced protagonist, the story and the combat, just for starters - where I think it did better than the original.

I don't feel the need to 'demand more' for the sequel, since I think we've already got two good games in the series. If they deliver a third I'll be delighted.

Modifié par Andrastee, 04 mai 2011 - 01:28 .