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[agesilaj12]

To save OP the trouble, no they didn't get the " COD crowd". At least none of which I know, and that is almost everybody at work. Most of them play games casually , after work they hop online for hour or so and have good time shooting each other, most play on 360 or playstation and than go deal with kids, family , wives and so on....Most of them are not losers like me, and don't like spending 3-4 hours a day in their spare time playing games that involve any form of immersion above trivial. Hope my personal input helps some suit prowling forums for sales focus group study.

[neppakyo]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 04 mai 2011 - 04:33 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

aries1001 wrote...

Many people who play CoD (only) play CoD becauise of the action, the combat, and 'to shoot' things.
I'm not sure making a hybrid game that both has more responsive faster combat and a story with dialogue, character interaction, character development (for Hawke at least) is a good idea to get the CoD crowd to play RPG games.

I was speaking to a CoDer recently who was complaining his two daughters took one look at him playing DA:O then promptly took possession of his playstation. Apparently they have done it through at least six times (EACH) and can recite the cutscenes by heart.

Said CoDer was also saying he couldn't get into either of the DA games because of the cutscenes (DA:O action, for instance, takes a while to get to in certain origins (like HN)). He noted that he skips straight past the CoD story bits wherever possible because he doesn't care about them--and indeed prefers the multiplayer aspect because there ARE no story elements to have to bother with.

Make of that what you will.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 04 mai 2011 - 04:33 .

[stoicsentry2]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Yup. As always, our developers get involved in conversations that are likely to be more fruitful, rather than accusations, blamefests, flamefests, or trollbait. It's all about how you present yourself and your arguments.

Our developers are also busy with other projects, and may not have the time or the inclination to post as much as they used to.

I bet they have a huge backload considering they were on vacation for 18 months.

[KBomb]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I was speaking to a CoDer recently who was complaining his two daughters took one look at him playing DA:O then promptly took possession of his playstation. Apparently they have done it through at least six times (EACH) and can recite the cutscenes by heart.

Said CoDer was also saying he couldn't get into either of the DA games because of the cutscenes (DA:O action, for instance, takes a while to get to in certain origins (like HN)). He noted that he skips straight past the CoD story bits wherever possible because he doesn't care about them--and indeed prefers the multiplayer aspect because there ARE no story elements to have to bother with.

Make of that what you will.

I play CoD and have never skipped through the story of any game I played. I enjoyed DA:O and I enjoyed DA2 and I enjoyed CoD. Make of that what you will.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@SoLD: You "quoted" one person. He is but a needle in the haystack of demographics. The game industry isn't as black and white as you, the misinformed or oblivious, make it out to be. There are many underlying themes for why people play games and the elements of gaming that they connect the most with. This is regardless of genre preferences.

Well, I did say "Make of that what you will."

So I am not surprised that posting my experience with one CoDer (and I said it was ONE CoDer) means I am going to be automatically labelled as of the opinion that ALL of them feel the same way. Despite the fact I made no such comparisons.

By all means, continue telling me how badly I fail, and I'll keep smirking. <_<

[slimgrin]

It was a mistake to even say they wanted the COD crowd, let alone try and do it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[ChickenDownUnder]

Best chance they had to draw in the CoD crowd was with the Mass Effect series. Still mind-boggling they'd try to do the same thing with a fantasy sword and sorcery game, as well as try to market to the Facebook flash game crowd. The wants of the average shooter game lover are vastly different from the 40 year old female on Facebook. One crowd wants social fun and item farming, the other crowd just wants to shoot **** in creative ways.

Would have been better off with just appeasing one stereotypical group of gamers instead of trying to convince crowds practically polar opposites of each other.

About the dev thing: While it would be nice if they responded to threads more often--especially to threads where it's clear some actual effort was made in creating them--I think I would much rather they do their jobs. Not that they weren't doing them before, mind, but... think of all the work they could have been putting into some sort of Enhanced Edition instead of randomly posting.

[Vyrensor]

I'm very disappointed with DA2 after DAO. If I wanted another Mass Effect game I would have just waited for ME3. I'm sure that I'll end up replaying DAO far more than I will ever play DA2 - it is already tiresome after 3hrs. DAO was great Bioware - but what ever possessed you to try and change the format??? There will be no money from me for DA3.

[Rebecca Black likes DA2]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Yup. As always, our developers get involved in conversations that are likely to be more fruitful, rather than accusations, blamefests, flamefests, or trollbait. It's all about how you present yourself and your arguments.

Our developers are also busy with other projects, and may not have the time or the inclination to post as much as they used to.

Dannybare wrote
What does Stanley Woo actually do? Is he involved with the development or is he just on the forums?

I am a quality assurance design analyst, and I was one of the testers on Dragon Age II. i am also a Moderator ion the BioWare Social Network.

@aries1001: An awesome post, thank you.

haha

hahaha

HAHAHAHA

That explains soooooo much.

[DanteCousland]

hahha I knpow right like the battle music continuing into the scene where a certain someone dies. I'm don't mind my weapon sticking out my chest but when glitched end up killing the story, well that's too far. Just saying .

[Cowboy_christo]

Like whatever chiken dude/picture said, its pretty sad and hilarious at the same time when the ****storm happening on a game forum end up funnier than the game itself.

Man im gonna have a field day when SWTOR bring bioware down to its knee and get dissolved with nothing but a skeleton crew to handle patches. (Seriously man id be scared ****less for your job as i dont think bioware as a whole is gonna survive SWTOR)

BTW Stanley boy, only 2 more week before this things calm down as all the ppl you and rest of bioware take for retards will be playing TW2.

[marshalleck]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

BTW Stanley boy, only 2 more week before this things calm down as all the ppl you and rest of bioware take for retards will be playing TW2.

Can't wait to see how this one plays out. Will it be the second coming of Christ in video game form as it is hyped to be? Or will it be another DA2 catastrophe? The wait is killing me.

[agesilaj12]

marshalleck wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...

BTW Stanley boy, only 2 more week before this things calm down as all the ppl you and rest of bioware take for retards will be playing TW2.

Can't wait to see how this one plays out. Will it be the second coming of Christ in video game form as it is hyped to be? Or will it be another DA2 catastrophe? The wait is killing me.

You really can't consider Witcher 2 hyped, or over hyped whatever you ment. I haven't seen any TV commercials, might be cs I live in the USA and CDPR is Polish. Might have to be with fact that they dont have EA hype machine behind them. Also haven't seen any pre reviews that call it RPG of the decade and similar nonsense.  Although , to be honest, I really don't care to read reviews of upcoming games as I used to due to lack of time , intrerest etc..  Not to try to troll you , just sayin'.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

@SoLD: You "quoted" one person. He is but a needle in the haystack of demographics. The game industry isn't as black and white as you, the misinformed or oblivious, make it out to be. There are many underlying themes for why people play games and the elements of gaming that they connect the most with. This is regardless of genre preferences.

Well, I did say "Make of that what you will."

So I am not surprised that posting my experience with one CoDer (and I said it was ONE CoDer) means I am going to be automatically labelled as of the opinion that ALL of them feel the same way. Despite the fact I made no such comparisons.

By all means, continue telling me how badly I fail, and I'll keep smirking. <_<

Sorry, but I wasn't telling you how badly you fail. I think what happened is that I forgot two commas and a word since I was eating dinner when I posted that.

The underlined is supposed to read like this; The game industry isn't as black and white as you, the misinformed, or the oblivious people, make it out to be.

So what I meant by that is that some people (and for whatever reasons) continue to pigeon-hole and create false stereotypes that actually detract from the gaming industry. So whether this statement is true;

So I am not surprised that posting my experience with one CoDer (and I
said it was ONE CoDer) means I am going to be automatically labelled as
of the opinion that ALL of them feel the same way. Despite the fact I
made no such comparisons.

You went out of your way to say...

Make of that what you will

which gives the impression that you are applying that ONE to the MASS.

And you are free to have that impression.

The internet is an impressionable place (like cookie dough, only not so awesome).

[Deputy Secretary of Awesome]

To the OP.

How is Dragon Age 2 even remotely like Call of Duty? Are you kidding me?

It's kind of insulting to suggest that people who enjoyed DA2 are somehow anti-RPG, when Dragon Age 2 is in fact still a well designed RPG. It might not be an Origins clone, but that's a separate issue. I'm a big fan of Origins, and also of DA2, they're both great RPGs, with a lot more similarities and continuity than differences.

[Cowboy_christo]

Deputy Secretary of Awesome wrote...

To the OP.

How is Dragon Age 2 even remotely like Call of Duty? Are you kidding me?

It's kind of insulting to suggest that people who enjoyed DA2 are somehow anti-RPG, when Dragon Age 2 is in fact still a well designed RPG. It might not be an Origins clone, but that's a separate issue. I'm a big fan of Origins, and also of DA2, they're both great RPGs, with a lot more similarities and continuity than differences.

What similarities? that it use the same lore(which they happily butchered)? Combat is nothing similar. Continuity? Lol a few pathetic attempt at cameos and even retcon with zombi leliana.

I can understand ppl that like this game but dont come saying the 2 games share similarities and contuinuity.

[DanteCousland]

Oh come on I stated in this thread as others have before that one of the devs (fernando I think) wanted to get the COD crowd. This isnt me saying DA2 is as simple as COD or anything like that. One of the developers was hoping to get the COD crowd, seriously!.

[Deputy Secretary of Awesome]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Deputy Secretary of Awesome wrote...

To the OP.

How is Dragon Age 2 even remotely like Call of Duty? Are you kidding me?

It's kind of insulting to suggest that people who enjoyed DA2 are somehow anti-RPG, when Dragon Age 2 is in fact still a well designed RPG. It might not be an Origins clone, but that's a separate issue. I'm a big fan of Origins, and also of DA2, they're both great RPGs, with a lot more similarities and continuity than differences.

What similarities? that it use the same lore(which they happily butchered)? Combat is nothing similar. Continuity? Lol a few pathetic attempt at cameos and even retcon with zombi leliana.

I can understand ppl that like this game but dont come saying the 2 games share similarities and contuinuity.

There was continuity in the world, the story, the lore, the tone of the story telling, the complex characters, the emphasis on hard choices and dark gritty situations, the fundamental mechanics of combat and gameplay, and so on. In short, the essence of Dragon Age was carried through. The game also makes a variety of changes from the way Origins was an expression of the Dragon Age IP to the way Dragon Age 2 is. Both are valid, but the underlying core is essentially constant.

[marshalleck]

Deputy Secretary of Awesome wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Deputy Secretary of Awesome wrote...

To the OP.

How is Dragon Age 2 even remotely like Call of Duty? Are you kidding me?

It's kind of insulting to suggest that people who enjoyed DA2 are somehow anti-RPG, when Dragon Age 2 is in fact still a well designed RPG. It might not be an Origins clone, but that's a separate issue. I'm a big fan of Origins, and also of DA2, they're both great RPGs, with a lot more similarities and continuity than differences.

What similarities? that it use the same lore(which they happily butchered)? Combat is nothing similar. Continuity? Lol a few pathetic attempt at cameos and even retcon with zombi leliana.

I can understand ppl that like this game but dont come saying the 2 games share similarities and contuinuity.

There was continuity in the world, the story, the lore, the tone of the story telling, the complex characters, the emphasis on hard choices and dark gritty situations, the fundamental mechanics of combat and gameplay, and so on. In short, the essence of Dragon Age was carried through. The game also makes a variety of changes from the way Origins was an expression of the Dragon Age IP to the way Dragon Age 2 is. Both are valid, but the underlying core is essentially constant.

Do you work in marketing?  Just wondering, because this post just set off my bull**** detector. 

[Warheadz]

DanteCousland wrote...

Oh come on I stated in this thread as others have before that one of the devs (fernando I think) wanted to get the COD crowd. This isnt me saying DA2 is as simple as COD or anything like that. One of the developers was hoping to get the COD crowd, seriously!.

*Sigh*
I'm going to do something unbelievable here. I am going to say that I think Call of Duty: Black Ops is, as an experience, more complex (in terms of game mechanics, not in terms of story, dialogue, choices, etc.) and entertaining than DA2.

The way you engage the enemy in DA2 is that you pretty much run and charge. There are always ninja waves, so you can't really plan ahead. You might be able to take a 1-3 enemies out by luring them to a trap, but in the end, the idea is that you go in and use skills and items. Without counting a couple of exceptions, terrain (for example) has no part in how the battle will play out. Although CoD is faster paced, ultimately, it requires more strategy than DA2. You have to choose the routes you take, teamplay, you have to be able to predict what your opponent will do, you have to use terrain and do whatever you can to gain the advantage if you intend to be successful without camping. Of course you can play CoD without thinking, but the good players plan a lot ahead. In DA2, you CAN'T plan ahead.

My own opinion. And not to be branded a mindless CoD player, I'm going to say that I would still pick Origins over any CoD any day of the week.