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#51
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I dont get it, why would you buy a DLC if you dont like this game? (for those of you who like the game, fair enough if you want to spend money) Why support a company with more money if you think they've failed?


I don't get it either.  I uninstalled DA2 a while ago, and I wouldn't spend another dime on it, no matter what kind of promises were made.  I'm only still (occasionally) voicing my displeasure here on the forum in the vain hope that the devs will listen with regards to DA3.  I guess those who didn't like the game but want story DLC are hoping that somehow that will fix what they consider wrong with the game.  I can't see that happening, personally.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

BioWare never stated ANYTHING about the creative direction of DA3. Shush and stop spreading false information.


Mike Laidlaw has said "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this".
But maybe he would not work in DA3, then this game still have a little hope.

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I am. Thick as mud.

Couldn't be that people complain more than they actually believe? We are on the internet, after all.

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ChengChung wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

BioWare never stated ANYTHING about the creative direction of DA3. Shush and stop spreading false information.


Mike Laidlaw has said "The big key is to not adjust 180 degrees again, because we've done this".
But maybe he would not work in DA3, then this game still have a little hope.


While he may have said that, he also didn't say that they would continue down the same creative path as DA2. And probably for good reason, I am sure that BioWare is aware of the backlash from the community and what they did wrong.

So even though DA3 won't be DA:O 2, it also isn't going to be DA2 + New Campaign. While I understand that they can't go 180* back the other way, we can probably assume that they are re-evaluating their creative process and are going to at least turn the dial back 90* and try to meet DA:O and DA2 in the middle.

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Lent a friend Origins just recently, turns out he bought DA2 and just like me has mixed opinions about the game but likes it none the less. We are both pretty much in love with the accompanying Mass Effect 2 though, which for me has made the purchase one of the most worthwhile I've done in a very long time.

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

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I don't think the OP was trying to force his opinion on his friend. As he wrote, his friend's face went pale when watching him play which obviously meant he didn't like what he was seeing.


I'm sure that wasn't  played up for melodrama in the slightest.Image IPB

What does he think we are? Stupid? *rereads the thread title* Oh nevermind.


God what are you Persephone in disguise? Do you really think the only way someone could think DA2 sucked by looking at someone else playing is if said player fakes being stupid and was melodramatic while doing it?

*two-handed warrior flips around and slash once per 0.5 second with a huge sword*
*archer makes enemies turn into red pupl*
*ninja enemies drop from the sky in waves*
*same apostate hideout cave we just been to is now a bandit hideout*

And you expect a DAO fan watching this to say OMG where do I sign-up? You are one desillusional fanboy, keep living in awesome-land.

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If people quit comparing DA2 with DAO there would be less complaning...

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Your friend must love you for spoiling his game. I know would love when somebody is making comment for every move in my gameplay.

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The fact that you put two 'p's in the word 'opinion', bothers me greatly.

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...


While he may have said that, he also didn't say that they would continue down the same creative path as DA2. And probably for good reason, I am sure that BioWare is aware of the backlash from the community and what they did wrong.

So even though DA3 won't be DA:O 2, it also isn't going to be DA2 + New Campaign. While I understand that they can't go 180* back the other way, we can probably assume that they are re-evaluating their creative process and are going to at least turn the dial back 90* and try to meet DA:O and DA2 in the middle.


If they really understand, then first DLC would not be a item pack.
We need better gameplay something, that we want.
I know many people look at that and all hopelessness.
We can keep hope,but when no signs of improvement,it's a hard thing.

Modifié par ChengChung, 03 mai 2011 - 07:15 .


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I'd buy a DLC, as I think the game has so much potential.

However, it's going to have to address the real issues. I'm not interested in some extra goodies. Just not having enemies appear from thin air would be a nice start.

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I suspect a lot of the people who assume the difficulty has been "dumbed down" and gripe about enemies exploding ever so nicely probably haven't touched a difficulty outside Normal mode. It's more difficult on Nightmare than Origins ever was.

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Mrbananagrabber wrote...

God what are you Persephone in disguise? Do you really think the only way someone could think DA2 sucked by looking at someone else playing is if said player fakes being stupid and was melodramatic while doing it?

*two-handed warrior flips around and slash once per 0.5 second with a huge sword*
*archer makes enemies turn into red pupl*
*ninja enemies drop from the sky in waves*
*same apostate hideout cave we just been to is now a bandit hideout*

And you expect a DAO fan watching this to say OMG where do I sign-up? You are one desillusional fanboy, keep living in awesome-land.


You really need to work on your reading comprehension. Let me help: I was saying the OP was being overly melodramatic in his post, and that his friend's skin did not in any way pale as he watched his friend play. And that we'd have to be stupid to believe such pallor really happened. The title of the thread seems to support that. Clearer?

And its possible if a DAO fan were playing the game on his own, He might just be enjoying the story, characters or some other aspect so much that other negative aspects wouldn't be so 'world ending' to him. Stranger things have happened.

But you also need to work on your argumentative skills if the best you can do to insult them is to compare them to a perfectly nice poster. Sir you wound me. Truly.
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Linjana wrote...

If people quit comparing DA2 with DAO there would be less complaning...

Its called dragon age TWO so why shouldnt people compare them?

Granted dragon age 2 has nothing in common with the earlier game but bioware obviously wanted people to think it would remind them of DA:O when they put a freaking TWO on the box. 

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ChengChung wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...


While he may have said that, he also didn't say that they would continue down the same creative path as DA2. And probably for good reason, I am sure that BioWare is aware of the backlash from the community and what they did wrong.

So even though DA3 won't be DA:O 2, it also isn't going to be DA2 + New Campaign. While I understand that they can't go 180* back the other way, we can probably assume that they are re-evaluating their creative process and are going to at least turn the dial back 90* and try to meet DA:O and DA2 in the middle.


If they really understand, then frist DLC would not be a item pack.
We need better gameplay something, that we want.
I know many people look at that and all hopelessness.
We can keep hope,but when no signs of improvement,it's a hard thing.


Well to be fair, no caliber of DLC can salvage this game. They may as well release a bunch of alternate companion costumes and item packs. And it's probably a good move to NOT develope a large content based DLC for this game simply because at "this point" few people care and very few people would buy into it...

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Filament wrote...

I suspect a lot of the people who assume the difficulty has been "dumbed down" and gripe about enemies exploding ever so nicely probably haven't touched a difficulty outside Normal mode. It's more difficult on Nightmare than Origins ever was.

Sooo.... you are saying enemies explode less on nightmare mode? Somehow i dont think thats true

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Linjana wrote...

If people quit comparing DA2 with DAO there would be less complaning...


If they didn't use "Dragon Age 2" for the title, there would be a lot less comparing...

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Sphynx118 wrote...

Sooo.... you are saying enemies explode less on nightmare mode? Somehow i dont think thats true


If only it were.Image IPB

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Sphynx118 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I suspect a lot of the people who assume the difficulty has been "dumbed down" and gripe about enemies exploding ever so nicely probably haven't touched a difficulty outside Normal mode. It's more difficult on Nightmare than Origins ever was.

Sooo.... you are saying enemies explode less on nightmare mode? Somehow i dont think thats true

They explode if the amount of damage you do to them is overkill, and on Nightmare enemies are tougher, so yeah, they do explode less. Granted I use a no exploding bodies mod so they don't explode at all. But my point was more to address the implication that DA2 is dumbed down in difficulty, that all you have to do is mash buttons and watch enemies explode and OMG it's so awesome /sarcasm.

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so the point of this thread was what exactly?
If people want dlc who cares? if you dont want it don t buy it, stupidity realy isnt any kind of factor in the equation. I didn't like the game but I don't have anything against those who did. Also to those saying he shouldn't tell his friend what to think that's just silly. If i thought my friends wouldn''t like something id tell them rather then just watch them buy it. That said if  itwas a game I owned i'd just lend them my copy

Modifié par element eater, 03 mai 2011 - 07:30 .


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Linjana wrote...

If people quit comparing DA2 with DAO there would be less complaning...


If it was called Kirkwall Marathon, I am sure a lot of us wouldnt even bother comparing. :innocent:

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Let's be clear: it's completely normal and sensible to provide your opinion of a game to someone who ASKS for it. I have several friends in my circle of gamer friends who typically come to me for my opinion/review of a game before buying it. If it's a major title, especially something we've talked about and have been looking forward to, they know I'll usually get the game first. They also trust my opinion. They know I'm not going to criticize a game unless it truly deserves that criticism, especially a Bioware game considering what an avid fan I am of their games. They are also perfectly capable of forming their own opinions and coming to their own conclusions.

That all being said, when my friends asked me about DA2, I provided my honest feedback. I explained to them why I felt so disappointed by it, what I felt was improved over Origins, and finally recommended that if they still wanted to play it, they should wait until it's on sale. One of them bought it anyway, then ended up agreeing with my criticisms and that he he should have waited for it to go on sale. The rest took to my advice and are waiting for the game to drop to around $20 before picking it up.

Bottom line, if your friends ask for your opinion, there's nothing wrong with giving it to them. They'll either take the feedback into consideration, or they won't.

Modifié par DSGrant, 03 mai 2011 - 07:50 .


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It's funny how people think that you can't hear a friend's opinion about something without it interfering with forming your opinion. Sounds like they are just projecting, and have trouble with doing it themselves. Losers.

But yes you can have a negative opinion about something that your friend has a positive opinion about. It happens. OP just helped saved his friend money by letting him see the game before purchasing it. Also, chances are, considering they are friends, that they have the same interests. GASP.

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Myself and people I have spoken to outside of the forums have all enjoyed the game. I haven't spoken to anyone in person that hasn't yet.

In regards to whether the OP's words could have influenced his friend, that really depends on the type of person his friend is. I know people who would be very influenced by that and people who wouldn't at all, so it's hard to say.

I agree with the earlier poster about getting Mass Effect 2 as well. Even if I didn't like DA2 (which I did) ME2 was really fun.

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AshleyS3 wrote...

Myself and people I have spoken to outside of the forums have all enjoyed the game. I haven't spoken to anyone in person that hasn't yet.

In regards to whether the OP's words could have influenced his friend, that really depends on the type of person his friend is. I know people who would be very influenced by that and people who wouldn't at all, so it's hard to say.

I agree with the earlier poster about getting Mass Effect 2 as well. Even if I didn't like DA2 (which I did) ME2 was really fun.

Yeah but is it more likely that the people assuming his friend is easily influenced are right or that they themselves are easily influenced for assuming friends have that kind of affect on forming opinions.